Originally posted by GTwander

The main reason that there is so many at 15$ a month, then a complete drop to F2P, is because the average idiot sees anything that costs less than the standard as an inferior product.

Unless you're in Tescos, where every little helps ;)

Originally posted by Solestran

 Everything in Eve is done with massive numbers of players?  

Yes. Generally. Everything in Eve has the ability to be done with massive numbers of players.

Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by Wolfy2449

P.S. I can pretty much see how this thread will end, lol!

Yep, someone will leave here in tears.

"Lovers are gonna love. Haters are gonna hate."

You can quote me on that. x

Originally posted by aovannor

I love Blizzard for Diablo alone.

Have to agree there, I've wasted many months on that game. Hence, I can't hate Blizzard.

World of Warcraft is a good game too. There's not really much you can complain about, unless pedantics are your thing.

Originally posted by fivoroth

Originally posted by Sioned

mpared to the games you mentioned. But does this make it a MMO ?

lemme remind you MMORPG stand for  Massiv Multiplayer Online RolePlay Game. I seem to miss at least the first part in a Coop SPRPG ... where is the massiv in 6 people ?

For the sake of argument, could you please point me to an MMO that is truly massive? 

I have to point out Eve. Has to be said. :)

That's true. Merger's happen though. No stopping them.

Some interesting ideas there, but PC market is pretty much dead for developers. It's a sink due to easy access to piracy and the fact that many people own a staggering variety of computer systems, so requirements and accommodating for all that limits them further.

New breath of life is something a company such as Square is unable to do simply because they are so well known. Perhaps this latest may set them back on track, or it will continue down the same path it has always done. A developer changes as they grow, and that become apparant in the games that they produce. Different goals.

Though, to be fair and balance out a little bit, there are games that look like they are likely to be quite fun. Things like Mindjack, Deus Ex, and Dungeon Siege. Though you're right, Final Fantasy does get overused way too much. 

Originally posted by QuasiRain

My only gripe about it is that it's not as expansive as the other final fantasy games. I really liked all those sidequests and stuff in the old games. Still, Vanille is cute. :3

I think the liener aspect of the game that most people tend to object to. Final Fantasy game have always really been seen as games where there's the main storyline, but the main enjoyment is to go out and explore, do quests and stuff, find treasure. It was a bit of a shock to me when it was made so...streamlined shall we say.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/558516

ANYWAY.

What do you lot think? Good/bad?

If it's the same old stuff I think it'll cause a bit of an upset with an already disgruntled FF fanbase.

Though they are promising a lot of changes with this one, so maybe.

I mean, FFX-2 made a good game turn bad, so perhaps it works vice versa as well?

http://www.finalfantasy13-2game.com/#/uk/trailer/

We're all doomed. The end of the world has started already. Forget 2012, it's happening right now.

Ever notice how 5/10 is considered bad these days?

Shouldn't that be an average game. Seems 7/10 is more toward the average level mark.

I like the summary in a few points to sum up a game for me, cause that's what most of us tend to do inadvertently or not. That, and the timeline and maths summaries too help e compare to other games I may have played.

Maths Example: Graphics + World of Warcraft = Rift

That sorta thing.

Artist who did the avatars are pretty good, though there are a couple of games that are like that, quite a number get taken down by Nintendo for copyright. Still, I'd like to see a Pokemon MMO that was based directly as an online version of the DS games.

It'll never happen though unfortunately. 

Free is generally where people will go if they had a choice. Seeing how blended the consoles are these days, the exception being Wii of course, then yeah - freebies for the win. It's one of the main reasons why Final Fantasy XIV is only being ported to the PS3 as of yet, because of the pricing plan.

It's painful to pay a sub for a game, followed by a sub for a service to go online.

There's upsides and downsides of each of course. Latency, types of players etc. But you all know that already.

Originally posted by JLVDB

You couldn't even invent another formula in Fantasy games these days, because you simply wouldn't bring in the players.

Someone is gonna do it sooner or later, so I might as well quote ya Guild Wars 2.

By this logic, doesn't that mean FFXIV is gonna be a good game?

First thing I'm doing when this game comes out is I'm gonna go hang out with King Adelbern.

As long as they try to improve it and keep doing so, I can't blame them for effort.

Shame I don't have a PS3 yet (Late Xmas present I hope) cause I'd like to try this on the Console, which is what the game seems to have been designed for.

I think Consoles will one day rule the earth personally. Can't complain if everyone has the same settings/hardware can you developers?

My bet: When it's Ready.

RIP. Least it had a good 9 months of action.

Yay! The sequel to my favourite MMO has won.

I'll be playing both Star Wars and Guild Wars of course.

They both deserve it methinks.