Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Then its now time to tell the casualls about the paradise that is GW2...

 

For me its still the best MMO game since WoW. 

 

Thats with nearly 300 hours in 2 months of gameplay...

Look, just stop with these pointless threads.

You're going to tell everyone how great GW2 is, (for you)  bunch of other folks will hop in and tell you why its not. (for them)

And we'll keep going round and round. 

Just go play the darn game and give it a rest already.

 Agreed...

You know, I bet that half the threads here are probably just thinly veiled "Let's talk about why we like/hate GW2 threads."

I dunno, maybe people really just don't have that much to say so we keep talking about the same things over and over agian.

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by xaus

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by xaus
Can't see why anyone would want to watch or pay to watch someone play GW2, It's not like it's CS back in the day at CPL. Also it's not really a sport, it's like calling chess or snakes and ladders a sport. Maybe thats why we have a world full of obese people.

"World full of obese"?  

Fat people.

Yea I know, the whole world isnt America. thats what I meant.

 Also...how is WATCHING an active sport like Football any less of an "obese" activity than watching a "desk sport" like video games or chess?

I mean, in both cases YOUR ass is on the couch.  So it doesn't really matter what the people on the TV or monitor are doing lol :).

Originally posted by bcbully
No. It was a mistake to go with domination instead of elimination.  Domination just aint as thrilling.

 I agree.

I really, really hope that they add a game mode that focuses on killing the other players.  It doesn't have to be straight team death-match, but the fact that I spend more time running from one point to another, or camping one point than I spend fighting players is annoying to me.

Not yet I don't think.

The problem is that there are just way too many problems with sPvP right now for an eSport scene to grow.  Some of them are:

1.  No spectator mode, so commentaries will always be player perspective which is definitely not the best.

2.  Lack of statistical information at the end of a fight, like no damage numbers etc. etc.

3. Paid tourneys are incredibly inaccessible to new players.  Right now, just a few teams dominate them and any newcomers will just get stomped and lose their tickets that they got with real money or grinding.  Not very fun.

4.  Current metagame leads to too many "cookie cutter" teams and not much variety.

5.  Conquest game mode is a turn off for some.

As for me, I LOVE the combat system in GW2, and I think that it could develop a great eSport scene, but sPvP REALLY needs some help before that happens.  Right now, I feel like WvW is far better for PvP action.

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Creslin4321
I would tell myself that in the future, people on MMORPG.com will find many creative ways to rehash the same old subject of "Do you like/hate GW2?"  Because apparently, letting people know your opinion on the game 500 times is very, very important.

You know your post count is creeping up again....before you know it you'll be a spotlight poster.

 

Problem is you actually have to post something interesting and constructive to get that title not flounce around like a big girls blouse deleting accounts and making new ones becuase someone somewhere posted a bad thing about their favorite game. Look at this thread MMOExposed asked a fun question (its has time travel in it whats more fun than that?) that can be answered in many different ways and what do the fans of the game do? accuse him and others of being haters, says it all really.

Well first, I didn't accuse him of being a hater.  All I said was that this thread was just another way for people to state whether they like GW2 or not.  And come on, you know it is.  There are only two main answers that people will give to this question and they are:

1.  I would tell myself to definitely buy GW2 = I like GW2.

2.  I would tell myself to not buy GW2 = I don't like GW2.

Also...in order to be a spotlight poster I think you have to post in the pub.  It just means that one of your threads was put "In the spotlight" (stickied) by the mods.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Creslin4321
I would tell myself that in the future, people on MMORPG.com will find many creative ways to rehash the same old subject of "Do you like/hate GW2?"  Because apparently, letting people know your opinion on the game 500 times is very, very important.

You know your post count is creeping up again....before you know it you'll be a spotlight poster.

 Oh god!!! lol :)

Originally posted by Foomerang

One point twenty one jigaawatts!?!?!?

 LOL curses, the source of my "original" idea was found out :)!

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Creslin4321

I would tell myself the following...

11/4:

Panthers 21-13 Redskins

Bears 51-20 Titans

Broncos 21-13 Bengals

etc.

etc.

We'll have none of that silly out-of-the-box thinking around here, sir!

 

 Mah bad :)

I would tell myself the following...

11/4:

Panthers 21-13 Redskins

Bears 51-20 Titans

Broncos 21-13 Bengals

etc.

etc.

Originally posted by Calerxes
Well how about you three guys withdraw gracefully and let us get on with it if we so choose? 

 Lay on Macduff ;)

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Creslin4321

Threads like this are why I deleted my account lol.

Please guys...just step back and look at what you are doing.  It's such a waste of time...you don't need to sit here and try to learn accounting just so you can justify your opinion that a game is failing or successful.

Imagine what you could accomplish if you channeled all this energy into something else.  Maybe next time you have a test coming up, just imagine that your teacher is trying to prove that GW2 is a failure (if you are a fan) or a great success (if you are not), and the only way to disprove her is to get a great score on the test.

 

By analysing the data from the financial reports we can see how well GW2 is doing and that will give us an insight into how profitable the b2p model is. That for me is an interesting debate and a very valid way of expending my energy as that will determine if I feel gaming companies are genuinely ripping us off with subs as Mike O'Brien has suggested in the past. Because you flounced off and deleted your account and cannot understand these types of threads has very little bearing on this debate, its not about whether GW2 is a success or not its about the validity of the payment model which GW2 fans have been telling us for the past year is "the future" now we have some hard data to see if that is true, and that benefits us all.

I don't know exactly what he meant and I won't attempt to speak for him but what I see here is a bunch of people ill-equipped to do a sensible financial analysis, spinning and re-spinning misunderstood statistics to further their habitual pro or anti-GW2 posting history.

 

Looking at the 3rd quarter GW2 contribution to NCsoft revenues, when GW2 existed for barely over one month of that quatrter, and trying to draw conclusions about the viability of the same old P2P model the GW franchise has always used from that incomplete data is just...well...calling it "circular" is being kind.

 Yep, that's exactly what I meant...and I agree with botyritis post as well.  It just goes on over and over and over again.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Creslin4321

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

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Originally posted by Creslin4321
Threads like this are why I deleted my account lol.

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haha best line ever!

I was wondering where you went. Just ask them to un-delete your account

 Hehe nah, I want it to stay deleted.  For some reason, the fact that it doesn't exist anymore makes me feel much less inclined to get involved with threads like this.

Anytime I think I might want to involve myself in a massive circular argument, I just look at my newbie account name in the upper left hand corner of my screen and am reminded not to ;).

Don't run from your calling Creslin. You were destined, like all of us, to be a forum creep!

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

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Originally posted by Creslin4321
Threads like this are why I deleted my account lol.

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haha best line ever!

I was wondering where you went. Just ask them to un-delete your account

 Hehe nah, I want it to stay deleted.  For some reason, the fact that it doesn't exist anymore makes me feel much less inclined to get involved with threads like this.

Anytime I think I might want to involve myself in a massive circular argument, I just look at my newbie account name in the upper left hand corner of my screen and am reminded not to ;).

Threads like this are why I deleted my account lol.

Please guys...just step back and look at what you are doing.  It's such a waste of time...you don't need to sit here and try to learn accounting just so you can justify your opinion that a game is failing or successful.

Imagine what you could accomplish if you channeled all this energy into something else.  Maybe next time you have a test coming up, just imagine that your teacher is trying to prove that GW2 is a failure (if you are a fan) or a great success (if you are not), and the only way to disprove her is to get a great score on the test.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

They only grossed a little over $40 million on GW2 through the end of September (basically the first month of release)?  That doesn't sound right.  That means they only average $20 per box, which includes all the digital sales which should be far closer to the retail price.

 

AS far as GW2 goes, the improtant thing is to see how much they gross from the gem store every month.

 Yeah I'm a bit confused by the report as well.  I can't imagine that the variable cost to sell a copy of GW2 is 66% of the sales price lol :).

I think we are probably not understanding the report correctly.

I mentioned this being a potential problem before.  It's not that people are leaving the game in droves or anything, it's just that the natural evolution of a themepark MMORPG always has people spending less and less time in mid level zones, and more time in max level zones and end-game activities.

So this IS a real problem for people that would like to level with others there and not be in empty zones most of the time.  Two solutions that were suggested were:

1.  "Reverse overflow" servers, which means that the game would essentially push players in a zone from any server into just a few instances so that the zone would be more populated.

2.  Periodic events that would "highlght" certain zones in hopes of drawing players to specific zones for the event.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Creslin4321

Hey guys, it's Creslin.  Elikal posted a comment on my YouTube account asking why I left, which made me check on these forums and I noticed that a bunch of other people were wondering as well.  So anyway...

There are basically two reasons why I decided to delete my account.

First and foremost...I didn't like how much time I spent on these forums.  Whenever I sat down to do something productive, it was all too tempting to hop on these forums "just to check" and then inevitably involve myself in some silly argument that would occupy me for like 2 hours lol.  This had really made me comtemplate just deleting my account to help stop me from coming back for a while...kind of like a symbolic ripping off a band-aid I guess.  If I continue to visit the forums too frequently, I will be deleting this one as well haha :).

Second, I didn't really like what most of the threads on these forums had become, and how I had become one of the main participants in what I didn't really like.  What I mean by this is that I used to come on these forums and actually post fairly thoughtful things that I found interesting.  And then I would have fun discussions with everyone about them.

But now...everything just seems to be one circular argument after another.  I can't tell you how many times I have argued that GW2 is social or that it's a good game, or whatever.  These arguments never go anywhere, and the sad thing is, that most of these arguments are based on simple misunderstandings...and I often even know this, but decide to argue anyway just to kill time.  For example, in the huge antisocial debate I had with grimal, I knew that he probably felt the game was antisocial because of his particular experience on playstyle, but I didn't really want to just ask him that and try to understand because that would have resulted in resolution and I wouldn't have had a fun argument to kill 2 hours with.

Eventually, I started to see a parallel between arguments on these forums and arguments in politics.  What I mean by this is that, much like politicians, it seems like I (and we in many cases) stopped caring about why we are arguing, and really only care about winning.  Many of us will go through a crazy amount of research just to prove the other person wrong, like digging through their post history, or spending an hour googling to find some obscure dev post made in the distant past.

And since I disdain politics with a passion, I started to hate how we argued on this site.  At one point, I just decided to poke fun at everyone's arguments with meme pictures, maybe to lighten up the mood or something.  But I wound up getting banned for posting a "beating a dead horse" picture in response to a guy who had basically made the exact same argument for like 3 pages.  This was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back, because it gave me the impression that the status quo was basically what was desired around here, even by the moderators.  So I decided that the only way out of it, was basically to just walk away.

Anyways...I did actually like some of the discussions we had here, so I don't want to give the impression that it was all negative for me.  I will still try to check in every now and then...but I'm going to try to spend a lot less time here.  Thanks for the memories all!

i very much know what you mean and can relate... gl and hit me up in game sometime:)

You too :), my account name Creslin.1758.

Hey guys, it's Creslin.  Elikal posted a comment on my YouTube account asking why I left, which made me check on these forums and I noticed that a bunch of other people were wondering as well.  So anyway...

There are basically two reasons why I decided to delete my account.

First and foremost...I didn't like how much time I spent on these forums.  Whenever I sat down to do something productive, it was all too tempting to hop on these forums "just to check" and then inevitably involve myself in some silly argument that would occupy me for like 2 hours lol.  This had really made me comtemplate just deleting my account to help stop me from coming back for a while...kind of like a symbolic ripping off a band-aid I guess.  If I continue to visit the forums too frequently, I will be deleting this one as well haha :).

Second, I didn't really like what most of the threads on these forums had become, and how I had become one of the main participants in what I didn't really like.  What I mean by this is that I used to come on these forums and actually post fairly thoughtful things that I found interesting.  And then I would have fun discussions with everyone about them.

But now...everything just seems to be one circular argument after another.  I can't tell you how many times I have argued that GW2 is social or that it's a good game, or whatever.  These arguments never go anywhere, and the sad thing is, that most of these arguments are based on simple misunderstandings...and I often even know this, but decide to argue anyway just to kill time.  For example, in the huge antisocial debate I had with grimal, I knew that he probably felt the game was antisocial because of his particular experience on playstyle, but I didn't really want to just ask him that and try to understand because that would have resulted in resolution and I wouldn't have had a fun argument to kill 2 hours with.

Eventually, I started to see a parallel between arguments on these forums and arguments in politics.  What I mean by this is that, much like politicians, it seems like I (and we in many cases) stopped caring about why we are arguing, and really only care about winning.  Many of us will go through a crazy amount of research just to prove the other person wrong, like digging through their post history, or spending an hour googling to find some obscure dev post made in the distant past.

And since I disdain politics with a passion, I started to hate how we argued on this site.  At one point, I just decided to poke fun at everyone's arguments with meme pictures, maybe to lighten up the mood or something.  But I wound up getting banned for posting a "beating a dead horse" picture in response to a guy who had basically made the exact same argument for like 3 pages.  This was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back, because it gave me the impression that the status quo was basically what was desired around here, even by the moderators.  So I decided that the only way out of it, was basically to just walk away.

Anyways...I did actually like some of the discussions we had here, so I don't want to give the impression that it was all negative for me.  I will still try to check in every now and then...but I'm going to try to spend a lot less time here.  Thanks for the memories all!