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what  a shitty engine this is. I feel sorry for those who are waiting for these games with WOW graphics engine. unreal what this industry has come down to... soon we willl be playing MMOS  coded in flash.
Originally posted by Sybnal

OP you need to do yourself a favor and just pretend SC doesn't exist for a little while.  Go outside, get a job or a girlfriend, or both. (if you have both of those already, start doing one or the other a lot more).  Why anyone would spend more than what an average game costs on a ship for this game is beyond me.  Did you think that spending 400 bucks would mean you would get the game faster or something? Do you think that an entire game company is going to push things out before they are ready just because YOU don't think they are going fast enough? You don't even know what they have done and what they don't.  They've got a small testing platform out, beyond that you have no idea what is being worked on or by whom.


Seriously, you just need to take a step back and exhibit some patience.  I own both SC and ED and I can tell you right now that ED isn't putting one tenth the amount of detail into the aerodynamic lego designs they call ships.  But they are on track for a 2014 release. What they have playable right now reflects that.  Where SC is also on track for a 2016 release.  Did you not notice that little detail when you busy throwing money away on ships you could get for free when the game launches?  2016, ya that's right.  Late 2016 at that. What they have playable right now seems pretty good to me for a game that isn't supposed to be out for another 2 full years.


So you have a choice here, either cry and moan and claim to be some sort of victim for 2 more years, or wait patiently like an adult for the game to be released like the rest of us.  What SC doesn't or doesn't do to raise however much development money they think they need or want shouldn't even concern you.  You bought a game with access to alpha and beta that's all.  You didn't buy a development speed button that you can spam to get what you want faster.

im not desperately waiting for this game, i dont think I ever was, in fact i lost interest long ago, especially after AC module. As i stated in one of my replies, its an issue of principles. And being an investor of this project I feel that any wrongs need to be pointed out. I actually have started to dislike the whole venture, and may bail the ship just because of these issues, but i also may just bank my investment and wait until they actually decide to finish the game, in hopes that this will truly be a great game. But what they are doing now is exploiting the people who put their trust  and money in them. They released a barely playable AC module that is also boring beyond belief, and that may be a sign of things to expect from the future development.


Originally posted by Shodanas

You already created a post regarding similar stuff about SC.

Is there really need for a 2nd?


2 different issues. Unless you mean that both posts are about SC, then yes, they are both about SC because this is a SC forum. Are they both negative? yea they are. I would post another negative post if another issue came out, but its too bad that i havent faced one yet. At least here mods care less about negativity that SC is gaining from player base, and I can somewhat freely express my frustration instead of getting insta-banned for voicing it.

Originally posted by Axllow18
Originally posted by M4ko
Originally posted by apocoluster
I guess im in teh Semi silent majority that can actually wait for the game

I think my problem here is a matter of principle. Theyve already made more money than most AAA MMO titles but they are still trying to milk people for more money. And instead of making the actual game a priority , and shortening release-time, they are concentrating on making even more money, which is highly unethical. 

What you have in red here is pretty inaccurate actually. Most AAA MMO's cost over 50$ million so... Star Citizen has a little bit more to go.

Here is a source:

(I realize it is Kotaku but they actually cite their sources for the budgets and it is the best list I found that actually does list sources.)

Secondly why would a game about FLYING SPACE SHIPS not try to have AS MANY SPACE SHIPS as possible?

I mean the guys doing ships are not the same guys doing environments, coding, character models, ect. ; so why would they not have them continue working on stuff so that once the game launches there is more content?

And I am not saying this game couldn't flop, but I am not really seeing the issue that people have with the way SC is being made. I personally have not given them a red cent and I wont be doing so until they show me they have a working product; but I do not begrudge the people who have backed the game already either.

Alot of those budgets come from well developed companies, that do not shy away from having to pay top dollar to their dev teams, and 2nd, they spend a good chunk of that money on advertisement. SC doesnt have to spend  that much money on ANY of that. But I also dont have a problem with them trying to make it to $200 million, but for the love god, do it after the game is released or close to final stages. WIth what they have now, it is MORE than enough to make a very good game without getting another penny, look at ED and their $2.5 mil budget.

So it all started out rosy and peachy. As soon as the forums were open, we entered a welcoming atmosphere, conducted by very friendly and caring devs and forum mods. We were told how the team behind SC is all about players and their wishes, because the people behind the game are gamers themselves and they understand.  Yea... but when concrete developments of the game were released and complaints have started to emerge, somehow the whole atmosphere changed. People who complain against the current flow of development are viewed as instigators and being detrimental to the overall player community. Ive had my run-ins with mods for supposedly instigating something, and currently got complete ban from forums, where I cant even access my account, and no explanation for how long or why. This kind of attitude towards players, especially those who have invested good chunks of money, is insulting to me, and  I have a totally new view of CIG now which will likely influence my future participation in this project. Once big money gets involved the fairy tale fades.

In comparison: Elite Dangerous development has started about the same time as Star Citizen, and with only a fraction of a budget  that SC has. Today ED is already in active Beta, and is set to be released in 2014, 2015 the latest. ED of course doesnt have fancy ships like SC does, but their overall universe is pretty much at a level where it can be seen as a full game. Sure, Chris R promises the overall game to have many more game aspects than ED does, but the reality is that so can ED. Today SC doesnt even have a playable multiplayer mod, because they cant fix the netcode, must have chimps running their coding.

SC with 20 times the budget of ED, is no where near the completion level of ED.  This is either an unexplainable paradox or else.

Originally posted by Bluntoze

If you came here to defend Star Citizen , don't worry , i'm not going to troll it.


Yea cuz youre doing it yourself, under the guise of being objective. Nice try buddeh

Originally posted by GrayImpact

Don't really follow this game or care about it, but i guess whoever is making the models needs to have something to do right?

It's likely that whoever is creating those ships is not actually part of the programming team who develop game functionality.


That considered, these ship releases shouldn't be slowing down anything and if it keeps them funded that seems pretty nice.


theres a reason so many people hate early access models.

I hear this argument all the time especially for the games that flopped either before or right after release.  They do have a main dev team making ships, but they also outsource extra modelers for these ships. And 2nd, the team that is making ships, can always migrate to other components of modelling besides ship, it's not like they only learned how to model ships.

Originally posted by gothmog99z
ethics in a for profit company ,you must be joking

Meanwhile Chris Roberts claims to be a saint of game development.

Originally posted by driver4hire


Your not really paying for a product, nor are you owning anything, no rights to anything.  The word "Pledge" is almost like... tithing to a religious group.  You couldn't sue a  religious group for robbing you if you openly "pledged" money for something and never saw results.  It is definitely different from buying/owning something.

Actually it doesnt matter what they call it on their website, Pledge or Pay, you are still buying a product, since they are not officially crowdfunding the game anymore.  Although legality of still uncertain since you are willingly paying money for products, viability of which is very vague: that includes the actual final state of the game and the the times it takes to release it. In other words, they can stretch the development for another 10 years and release a game in very bad shape and still wont be liable to return money.

Originally posted by apocoluster
I guess im in teh Semi silent majority that can actually wait for the game

I think my problem here is a matter of principle. Theyve already made more money than most AAA MMO titles but they are still trying to milk people for more money. And instead of making the actual game a priority , and shortening release-time, they are concentrating on making even more money, which is highly unethical. 

I posted this originally on CIG forums, which of course got quickly locked, and got me banned. Why wouldnt it?  CIG cant let anyone interfere with their milking of the sheeple for their money.


CIG is working on these overpriced ships non-stop as if the game already been out. How about concentrate on making the rest of the game, I think theres a plethora of ships already for a game that isnt even 10% complete, 9% of which is ships. How many more variants can you come up? I am sure theres plenty of fans who enjoy this, who have bought their houses and have families with good jobs, they dont mind waiting for the game to come out as they are busy with their lives, and they dont mind buying new "kewl" ships cuz they have enough money to throw at them, but realistically, this is ridiculous that theyve been churning out ships with already overly bloated funding. Meanwhile true gamers are effing tired of these non-stop bullsh1t ship packages. This is not how a normal game development is conducted.

I havent played AC module after the first couple of days i tried it because it's so boring. Although I constantly check the news section, it is always full of either lore nonsense or the news about new ships. I have nothing against CIG making ships to keep themselves from starving once the game is out, but god, release something we can actually enjoy already. 
Elite Dangerous has pretty much completed their game and it's not half as bad as SC. But of course, it's only natural that devs with a smaller budget care more about their fans satisfaction than money gobbling.

I personally spent $450 on this game already, and highly offended by how they are conducting this game development, I may even be dropping this game if I find another good game to trade this account for.

It amazes me that ive never heard of this game before and I already know that it's stupid. And $30 used be a regular monthly MMO sub fee, so I dont see whales  here

Originally posted by benseine

well there are no classes, you can lvl any kind of character you want. Everything is crafted. PvP is Free for All with exception that there will be severe penalties for killing own faction. There is partial looting restricted by the time you have to loot somebody.


Anything else you need to know? Ask me or visit

How many players are logged in at the same time? Does it feel empty? Is the game at this stage enjoyable?


Originally posted by turinmacleod

People care about the Hype meter?


Color me surprised.



When you make your #1 source for all MMO news and development then Id say hype meter has to hold some value.

THen why is this game in top 10 games on MMORPG .com list?
my god, did you read what I typed in reference to the RPG maker? I described how simple RPG maker was, and how REPOP seems to have been made in similar manner: simple, tasteless rehashes of older games and a low quality engine by today's standards.  Obviously graphics are not the same, [mod edit]
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by M4ko

YOu know,  I read about the mechanics recently. And all of it is just a combination of aspects taken straight out of older SciFi mmos. And together with a very old engine, this game reminds me of the RPG Maker for Playstation 1, where you get  most basic 2d scrolling textures and build your own RPG based on your previous experiences. This game is nothing new or exciting its the same old. Replaying same old features isnt fun, otherwise youd stil be playing your old SciFi MMOs. 

Graphics engine is so old and simple that it just jumps in your face screaming "rip-off" Anyway, enjoy praying to another Sandbox MMO Messiah, just too bad that he will never come.


Who cares about graphics? Graphics don't matter much, all that's important is game play and this game has a lot of great sandbox features already working. Thats enough for some of us.

Graphics dont matter, when the game play is innovative, meaning it is something fresh. But all theyve done is copied everything to the tee from older MMORPGS and slapped a cheap graphics engine on it. Those skill use graphics like the double pistols are just horrible. I maybe terribly wrong here, but to me, it seems that these guy are no better than the whole line of indie and coming up MMO companies who try to copy a successful MMO with their own perks. There hasnt been a single good MMO that would last for a long time since WOW perverted the genre with it's shit MMOforALL

Originally posted by JOverlord
Originally posted by M4ko

YOu know,  I read about the mechanics recently. And all of it is just a combination of aspects taken straight out of older SciFi mmos. And together with a very old engine, this game reminds me of the RPG Maker for Playstation 1, where you get  most basic 2d scrolling textures and build your own RPG based on your previous experiences. This game is nothing new or exciting its the same old. Replaying same old features isnt fun, otherwise youd stil be playing your old SciFi MMOs. 

Graphics engine is so old and simple that it just jumps in your face screaming "rip-off" Anyway, enjoy praying to another Sandbox MMO Messiah, just too bad that he will never come.

Either A. You never played Playstation 1 or B. You are looking at a different game. 

This game isnt my cup of tea but dont try bashing the game if you never even seen it.

dafuq? I havent played PS1, how did you come to this wild conclusion? lol

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