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Originally posted by joejccva

I don't understand why people are evaluating the game when it's only just starting beta phase 3. I think it looks fantastic and the features from what I've seen are very nice. I'm looking forward to it very much. :)

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Actually, the game is still in beta 2 (as of August 3rd). Testers are still playing on the MS servers and have yet to be transfered to the SOE servers which should happen shortly before the official beta 3 invites go out.

So any complaints you hear about the game are from people who are breaking the NDA of a game in the second stage of what will likely be a five stage beta.

What is fun about a handful of regulars per server who gank any newbies who join until they quit? MMOs are there to make money, if you think there is such a high demand for a full looting PVP game, then why not put up some of your capital and finance one?

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Originally posted by finnmacool1

Im not sure why you are on a $oe pr crusade but ive never had any issues with any of the companies you listed including ms. I dont hold $oe to any different a standard than any other company or business. If i go to a restaurant and get crappy food or service every time i stop going there. If i purchase a product from a company and its defective or was misrepresented and it happens repeatedly i stop buying their products period. Im not sure what is so hard about that to understand or why you feel the need to try to tell me Im imagining the lies,crappy support,poor products,etc ive experienced with $oe. I gave them nearly 6 years worth of opportunities to earn and keep my business present and future. Im done.

In your $oe pr crusade and ms bashing you lost sight of something as well. It isnt sony ive written off,its $oe. I havent had issue with sony movies or electronics or any other division of sony, only $oe. Some of my favorite single player games were microsoft titles and ive never had anything but good experiences with them so not sure why you're trying to bash them.

I dont know you well enough to verify whether you are a bitter loser or not, but you sure come off as one.

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I am not bashing MS or standing up for everything SOE has done, I am simply being objective (something that SOE haters hate almost as much as SOE). MS has been a dismal failure as far as MMOs go. I use Windows, and I love a lot of things about it, but it has to be the buggiest piece of software ever (although they are getting better). And IE is a security nightmare. Of course, I am also a Nvidia fan, but did you ever try out their FX cards? I "upgraded" an old Geforce 4200 in one of my older computers to a 5200FX and the performance went down. They had ATI on the ropes at the time, then they released an inferior product. They have since made up for it with much better cards in the 6 and 7 series, but that still doesn't make the 5 series any better. And I used to be a big ATI fan. But they had some serious driver issues. Fortunately they have turned that around mostly, but I still prefer Nvidia drivers (and it makes it easier when all your comps have the same drivers).

But back to the main point. Windows is a very important piece of software. Your browser must be something secure. Drivers make the graphics world go round. And without a good graphics card, the best games aren't worth a damn. I am sure you have used some of the very esential products from those major companies, and I am sure you will continue to do so in the future, but the one piece of software that really seems to stir your passion and hatred is a game? You don't mind that your graphic card company is either passing off inferior hardware or drivers, or that your OS is bloated and buggy, or that your browser just makes things easier on hackers, but you are passionate about a game so much so that you won't do business with a company that is doing business with that game company? And then you accuse me of being a bitter loser?

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Originally posted by finnmacool1

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Originally posted by n2sooners

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And you really should see someone about that problem of yours if you really have that much hatred for an large international company.

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Its called speaking with your wallet. Maybe you are the type of person that repeatedly gives your business and hard earned cash to a company that lies,produces inferior products,provides horrendous support,etc. but some of us reach a breaking point where we are no longer willing to do so.

If sigil wants to endorse and reward $oe with co publishing vg despite their past actions and reputation thats fine. Brad is betting that most people will overlook $oe involvement despite any negative feelings they have toward $oe. Im sure he is right and most will still buy vg but some of us value integrity and principles more than a game.

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Ahhh, so you believe it was much better when they were with Microsoft? I mean, it isn't like MS has ever lied to their customers, had faulty or inferior products, or had CS problems now, is it? Yet I bet you still run Windows. I have had no more problems with SOE than I have had with any other software company, and much of the most enjoyable time I have ever had playing games were spent playing SOE products. You see, I am not some bitter loser who is lying to himself about how bad SOE is because I am objective enough to compare them to the alternatives.

So let's compare. Who has had the most successful MMO's, SOE or MS? Hmmm, there was EQ and AC. Both were good games, but AC was never as popular as EQ. As a matter of fact, those who try to belittle EQ often totally dismiss AC by saying EQ was only popular because it was the only game out there to play (forgetting UO, AC, and just a bit later DAoC and AO). So, score one for SOE there. How about their biggest disasters? Well, SOE had SWG which was broken from the beginning, and then they ended up fubaring the whole game with the NGE. The game is still alive, but it isn't nearly as popular as it should have been. On the other hand MS had AC2. One of only two MMOs developed by a major company to actually be discontinued after release. As far as I know, that is about it for MS.

Anyway, the biggest complaints I have heard about SOE are the NGE (not a problems since they aren't developing Vanguard) and customer service (which I have never had a problem with in the years I have been playing SOE games, and also not a problem because Sigil will be handling in game CS with Vanguard). But if you really must stand on your principle, be sure to uninstall Windows when you are done reading this because MS is ten times as bad as SOE. And don't forget to yank out that geforce card, after all they tried passing off those inferior 5 series cards off on their customers. And if you have an ATI, yank it too because they have had some really inferior CS with all their driver problems. Seriously, either go all the way or admit you have a seriously one sided hatred for SOE and are holding them to standards to which you don't hold any other company.

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Originally posted by Talonsin

It does not matter how great the devs and artists are that SOE brings into this game.  You still end up with a game supported by SOE and that means poor customer service, patches pushed out before they are ready, poor communication with the players and the chance they will turn the game upside down if another game comes out that makes more money.

I will never buy another SOE game, even if they release something awesome that gets 10 million subscribers.  I just refuse to ever give this company another dime of my money.  I hate them that much...

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SOE won't be putting any devs or artists into the game because SOE isn't developing the game. SOE won't be providing in game CS support for the game. SOE won't be able to push patches because they aren't the game developer. SOE won't be able to change the game because they do NOT own the game. This isn't an SOE game, they are only the co-distributers. And you really should see someone about that problem of yours if you really have that much hatred for an large international company.

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Originally posted by Zippy

Big is not always better.  Look at SWG's worlds, huge but barren and lacking any content.  WoW's world was the best of any game I have seen. Not only huge but content everywhere.  One of VSOH's world designers said awhile back it is their desire to not only make a huge world but to pack every inch of it with content.  If they can do that it will be great.  But please we do not need another big empty world like SWG.

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SWG had probably the best game world of any game I have ever played. They did have a strange mob spawn system that spawned mobs when you were in the area and didn't leave them up generally. That made it seem that there was nothing around if you were traveling at a high rate of speed in highly untraveled areas (and sometimes caused over population problems in highly traveled areas). But that had nothing to do with the size of the world.

What is more sad? Being the fan of a game and hoping it succeeeds? Or living just to bash a game and hoping it fails. You kinda have to take pity on those who live life with no hope and such a negative outlook on life that they have nothing better to do than go from board to board bashing a game they have no intentions of playing and hoping for it to fail. What sad little people you must be in real life.

I think one of the worst KSing games I ever played was COH. What was even worse was that people defended KSing on the boards if you complained about it. COH is a fun game, but the over simplicity combined with blatent KSing turned me off within a month.

EQ has it's problems, but it is one of the few games I have played where reputation really means a lot and the ninja looters and KSers usually end up with reputations that follow them wherever they go.

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Originally posted by vendris

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Originally posted by n2sooners
More good screens. Too bad posts like this keep getting pushed down by people who come here to post nothing more informative than "This game suxorz!!11!1!!!"

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Is it that everyone who has something negative to say about the game is saying "this game suxorz!1!1!", or is it that fans of the game declare that absolutely no criticism of the game's design is valid or informative no matter what someone has to say?  For all you know, some of the people complaining about the game may be in the beta.

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No, there are a number of people who insist on spamming nothing but hate. They don't have any constructive to say, and they spam the same noninformative crap in post after post after post. They are bringing nothing to the forum except hatred. Just look at the front page here and the numerous posts by only a small number of people that they insist on keeping bumped up to disrupt anything constructive from being discussed here. Even after being given their own hate thread, they can't help themselves by spewing their hatred in every thread, and creating new ones at the same time. Like I have said before, these forums have really gone to shit and the mods seem to have lost complete control with it comes to enforcing their own rules.

The game really looks great, and it is looking better all the time.

More good screens. Too bad posts like this keep getting pushed down by people who come here to post nothing more informative than "This game suxorz!!11!1!!!"

Your posts contain nothing but attacks against the game and personal attacks against any fan of the game (Both of which are against the forum rules of conduct).l

Great screenshots. The game is looking better all the time.

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Originally posted by jonakuyou're why the vanguard community is so hated. everytime anyone posts any criticism of the game on the vanguard forums, they're told they should go play wow and then they start asking the mods to ban/delete/lock the offending post. no wonder everyone hates them !

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You're the reason the MMORPG.com forums have gone to shit. You break all the rules by posting no information and do nothing but attack the game and personally attack anyone who disagrees with you while the devs here turn a blind eye.

The characters and game world are both quite different when you see them in motion. I would say Vanguard graphics are closer to SWG than EQ2.

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Originally posted by Salvatoris

Maybe it is because there isn't a lot of traffic in here. Post-SOE agreement there hasn't been much to talk about other than the agreement itself. I think it is appropriate for posters to reply to an old thread rather than creating a new one. Assuming their post is on topic, and the topic is still relevant, I really don't see the problem with it.

Perhaps the guys at Sigil and SOE should have made a bigger media push at E3, then we would have something else to talk about. I think that if they believe they are making a solid game, the best way they could turn around the negative sentiment following the SOE deal would be to start showing us some proof. How about some screenshots and movies.. a little more in depth info on the games features.... anything positive for people to talk about at all.

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Actually, there has been lots of news and tons of new screen shots. I have seen posts about some of that, but they have been pushed down by all the necro posting by a few forum trolls.

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Originally posted by Kyoruto
I don't even know much about the game. (I'm waiting for WAR) and these haters are really getting annoying. I was curious about this game, but now I can't even get any information because of those idiots.

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I keep telling everyone that these boards have taken a serious turn for the worse. I think it really started back before WoW and EQ2 when all the WoW vs EQ2 posts were being made and has just steadily gotten worse. Probably has to do with the popularity of the site. Unfortunately, along with the web site fame comes the web forum trolls.

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Originally posted by jonaku

i disagree. on this forum, you learn what a horrible community Vanguard has. you also learn all the craptular features of the game that get shouted down in the vanboi forums. this forum is a far more objective and useful source of information. which is that people should stay away from this joke of an mmo.

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A prime example of the type of post which contains nothing factual and contains nothing but mud slinging that has brought this site down from the great resource of useful information it used to be.

Look, if you just MUST have instant travel, play one of the dozens of games out there that already have it. Vanguard isn't trying to be everything to everyone. It will NOT be WoW. I think they realize many people won't like every aspect of the game and they are okay with that. If you aren't, then try following a game which has features more tailored to your tastes instead of following one you obviously don't like and then whining about it.