Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Shoju

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by tom_gore

I'll check it out if it goes F2P. No way I'm paying a sub for this.

Ha, everyone wants everything for free these days.  

It isn't a matter of wanting 'everything' for free, many people (myself included) don't feel that Vanguard is worth the current subscription price.  If it was, I imangine more people would be playing it than there currently is.

This..it is not about the money. 

I think its more along the lines of people won't play because there is not enough people playing. I logged in and I have not heard nor seen one person in game.. I tried all the chats and got nothing. Maybe F2P would help the game but personally if  it did I'd still sub because the game is worth paying for when there is actually people to group up with. 

I just started again im in the Wood elf starter place. I didn't do the trial island, I played the trial a few times so I didn't feel like doing it again. haha  My name is Lyathin if you wanna try and group up sometime. 

The problem with playing sandbox games is there isn't any  quality ones IMO.. Well I guess EvE is pretty good quality wise but I'm just not into being a ship most of the time.   I missed out on the sanbox games back in the day and played a little bit of EQ and FFXI as my first MMO's then played wow off and on for a year and countless other mmos.  

I got bored of  the themepark style of game, but the Quality and Polish of the themeparks like the  music, sfx ,animations makes it kinda hard to play a sandbox with a fraction of the budget. Even though I like the ideas of Darkfall and Dawntide and Xsyon  when I  try to play I can't help to think how crap the animations and sound is compared to other Themepark games.  I think thats why people won't  play the sandbox games currently out, they are used to the quality of themparks. 

So if Arche Age can bring in some sandboxyish gameplay but have all the graphics, sounds and animation that is the same quality of all these other themeparks we'll start seeing AAA devs start working on more Sandboxish type games. 

Originally posted by tom_gore

I'll check it out if it goes F2P. No way I'm paying a sub for this.

Ha, everyone wants everything for free these days.    I just bought the game again for 10 bucks you get 30 days with it, its not a huge investment.  It beats going to see a movie IMO.

Well after getting bored with SWTOR I decided to try VG again from scratch and no trial island.   I know it may be empty but I want to help populate the game.  I find it funny that people always complain that there aren't enough players and they'll come back when more do play.  We'll if everyone had that mentality then the game will never grow.  BIte the bullet people and play it and at least help the game grow instead of waiting on the sidelines for something to happen.  

I still have 10 gigs to download so I won't be on for like a nother day, I have slow internet. I installed from the disks I bought at launch and I was hoping it wouldn't take too much longer to patch, but I guess luck was not in my favor. 

Originally posted by Praetalus

Ok, so when we're in the forums for the Themepark games, all of the Sandbox folks come on over and shit in our yard. But now I see that they just shit in every yard, even their own..lol. 

 

You finally get a game from an indie developer trying hard to give you something decent and instead of helping, you shit on it. Yeah the game is rough, but at least the folks are trying to get something going. How does the community respond? Same way they do to Mortal Online... same way they do to Darkfall... 

 

You ask why people don't try anything new... I think you have your answer. This is why you will be unhappily playing Themepark games until the end of time. Sometimes you're not given a gem, you have to help make it. Would you rather help them create their vision or just play the same ol' shit people keeping throwing at you with these themepark games you hate so much?

 

I hear people complain about the system, yet, you crap on this and buy the themepark games just so you can complain about them.....

Were asking for a QUALITY Sandbox game not some half assed game that is broken..  The problem is the companies that are trying something new are the companies that don't have the money to make a QUALITY game.  But it looks like a QUALITY somewhat sandbox game is in the horizon Arche Age.   So far I like what I see and Im more than happy to pay a 15 bones sub for that game. 

Yeah maybe playing a half assed game could help it become a better one, but I don't think  supporting games that launched half ass helps anything.  IMO it would actually show dev's its ok to launch half ass games. 

If they put a free trial up for returning players I'd play it again and see how things have changed.  Like others said, If they dropped the sub to like 5 bones I'd probably subscribe again.  Otherwise I'll just wait for Arche Age.  

 To the guy above, I wish I could play MO  I spend all day downloading it just to get an error patching it..   I deleted it asap, I mean if you can't even get the patcher to function right chances are in game features are broken as well. 

I'm waiting for Arche Age, while its not pure sandbox it looks like a lot of fun. 

Well I know what race i'm gonna be cat people are awesome.   So far from all the videos I like everything about them, I'm trying not to get hyped but its kinda hard when this game looks so cool.   Free Trees lets cut, too funny, I agree. 

Originally posted by lalartu

Originally posted by cukimunga

Oh man was I wrong.  I do enjoy the story of the game and the voiceovers, I always hated reading quests in games. But one thing that I noticed about the game, there is way, way to much fighting in the game.. It seems like you can't got 2 steps without getting into a fight most of the time..  I tried to sneak around as much stuff as I can, but still it jsut gets annoying fighting and fighting. 

Sure you can send your companions to do stuff and craft, but that is all the Non combat stuff there is, or at least its all I found. I guess I should just give up on  trying to enjoy Themeparks.  Just to clear things up Im not a SWG fanboy I never got to play the Original SWG.  

 

what class are you playing? I found the Jedi/Sith types to be extremely boring because of all the fighting I had to do, but with the ranged classes it's actually kind of fun.

I can snipe things from a distance or avoid them all together with an Imperial Agent. it's definitely a little more refreshing.

 

unfortuantely, the coolest class in theory (Jedi) is the most boring to play in SWTOR and has one of the worst storylines too from what I heard....

I am a Sith Sorcerer and I got bored quick.. I did play a little bit of the agent and liked it a little.  I may try playing that and going Sniper and see how that goes..  I was just trying to play a different type of class because I usually play ranged classes, so that may be my problem as well. 

Not sure who said it, but about the combat being to easy, thats the problem. It is too easy and there is just too much of it.  

Oh man was I wrong.  I do enjoy the story of the game and the voiceovers, I always hated reading quests in games. But one thing that I noticed about the game, there is way, way to much fighting in the game.. It seems like you can't got 2 steps without getting into a fight most of the time..  I tried to sneak around as much stuff as I can, but still it jsut gets annoying fighting and fighting. 

Sure you can send your companions to do stuff and craft, but that is all the Non combat stuff there is, or at least its all I found. I guess I should just give up on  trying to enjoy Themeparks.  Just to clear things up Im not a SWG fanboy I never got to play the Original SWG.  

Yeah heaphones do tend to  accentuate things. Have fun in a  spider free Skyrim.

Maybe you can use skyrim to get over your fear of spiders?

I didn't get into PVP till I played Warhammer, and it was mostly open world PvP to boot.  Some of the funnest times I had in that game was playing Musical Keeps. I went around defending keeps for hours on end not caring that there was a reward, I just wanted to kill people. 

But ofcourse if there was bonuses for controling an area and such that is just a plus. I like to PvP  sometimes just to get away from chasing that carrot in PvE. 

Honestly I don't see why strategic battles can't be done in an Open world environment. Yeah sometimes you may get wiped out by other guilds but that risk makes it more fun IMO.   If the developers put more time into the coding  AI instead of  working on graphics then things could work..  

I don't know why devs haven't made aggro more complex like how it was in FFXI.  You can aggro by sound, sight, magic, smell there might be other Its been a while since I played.  Every other game its all aggro by if you get to close to them. So lets say youre fighting a boss and some other group comes but the boss doesn't like how some of the other people smell or they use a particular magic spell the boss dont' like he'd start attacking them. The tables have been turned , you can either chose to fight the boss , the other guild, or both.  

I  enjoy Open PVP better than Instanced PVP as well because you never know when your next battle will be and how many you will have to fight.   Its those variables that make things exciting to me, instanced stuff can be fun but after a while it gets borring cuz there are no variables like the guild sneaking up and trying to kill you. 

Just face the facts man, your in a niche crowd and you know that the big companies won't cater to you.   The original MMOers have grown up and can't play for 6 plus hours a day, and the kids who can like themeparks.  

Originally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by Elikal

I am no PVP expert by far. But that was the most boring and pointless PVP I have EVER seen. lol. How the heck could that ever have passed any sane and sober tester before release?

Space on rails got through so it's really not surprising to me. 

Yeah it could have been not on rails, but to me it brings me back to the days of Star Fox so I kinda enjoy it. 

I'm In the exact opposite boat, I am getting my ass kicked by my storyline right now.  I guess i was a little antsy and went to Balmora to quickly. I even leveled up cuz when I first tried it I was almost to 18, and I still get raped.  I'm gonna have to group up just to beat it .haha

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by SteeJanz

I think you are missing an important part of what Anet is trying to do.  They want you to be able to tell what skill others are using.  Having subtle hard to notice attacks would make it incredibly difficult to know when to apply a cross profession combo. 

Exactly this, how else can you know what skills to interupt and which are harmless.

FFXI did this years ago, nothing to see here move along.

I'm not really bothered by the instancing as much as I thought I would be.  Mainly because when you do go into most instances there are no loading screens and if there is one my computer is beast so they don't take long to load.  I guess I got used to loading screens too cuz I've taking a year off MMO's and played single player games for a while.

But I do agree with the no Valor in PvP. I love world PvP not  BG type PvP... To be honnest Im just playing this game cuz I like SW and I hate reading, IF they did get one thing right is Voiceover for most of the quests I actually feel like I'm part lof the world.