Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L

Originally posted by tralla

Originally posted by Rupskul

Not sure it's going to matter.  I don't think I'll have the patch downloaded before Beta ends.

What a nice way to answer his question.

Keep your shitty internet to yourself.

 

Patching took 27 minutes for me, i guess you wanted to know that. See how interesting this information is.

Consider yourself...EXTREMELY lukcy.

If you are having trouble with the download you should try the torrent.

Originally posted by Talint
Not bashing on Darkfall: UW at all.... but GW2 was once the top hype too...

Ouch, that's a low blow. :p

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh. Darkfall: Unholy Wars will be available for PC, via digital download, on November 20, 2012.

How do you come to that conclusion ? 

"Darkfall: Unholy Wars will be available for PC, via digital download, on November 20, 2012." 

How do you expect the previous Darkfall owners to get UW?   AV secretly mailing out disks?

I hope you are not being serious...

I come to that conclusion because they said it will be available on the 20th. I expect previous Darkfall owners to get DF:UW by digital download.

Umm. ...So where does it say anything about buy/purchase? So you can keep guessing and I'll make an informed opinion based on Darkfall last release.  But dont going around acting like its fact, because your statement is BS.~ "The only actual information we have from AV on whether people can buy the game on the 20th is that they can." 

I'll leave it to others to make their mind up on whether "Darkfall: Unholy Wars will be available for PC, via digital download, on November 20, 2012." means people can buy it on the 20th or not. I see no point continuing this with you.

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh. The only actual information we have from AV on whether people can buy the game on the 20th is that they can.

How do you come to that conclusion ? 

"Darkfall: Unholy Wars will be available for PC, via digital download, on November 20, 2012." 

How do you expect the previous Darkfall owners to get UW?   AV secretly mailing out disks?

I hope you are not being serious...

I come to that conclusion because they said it will be available on the 20th. I expect previous Darkfall owners to get DF:UW by digital download.

Originally posted by psykobilly

Originally posted by Falesh

You can't find a place to buy it now because they aren't selling it now. Taking that fact and changing it to mean you cannot buy it on the 20th is a strange and illogical thing to do.

Actually it was the fact that AV's blog said to 'make sure you have the correct email on your account and everything is in order' for the 20th.  The implication is that people with valid accounts are going to get an email that the general public is not.

It's quite likely they will judge demand by seeing the response of existing customers after that email goes out.

I seriously doubt the general public will be in on the 20th based on those comments, which may or may not be illogical to you - but it sounds like AV logic to me. 

That could be for anything though. It could be for a few days of beta stress test, for early downloading of the client, for fluff perks given to old DF players or a host of other things. The only actual information we have from AV on whether people can buy the game on the 20th is that they can.

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Originally posted by Hancakes
Then why are you trying to make the servers sound more capable now?  Care to comment on my other question above?

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I never said they could handle more then 10k online at the same time which is why they will use a queue. With regards to the launch they are not going to be using the same software/hardware combination that they did the first time so why shouldn't it be different? They have had years to test and improve their login system. They have the stats and hindsight about launch day and have also changed their shop system.

With regards to why they don't have a better DF:UW site, that is probably because they suck at that kind of thing. With regards to the forum it is probably because they already have one and making a new one might mean some old forum members who they wish to get to play DF:UW miss the change. Or it could be because they suck at that kind of thing. *shrug*

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Originally posted by 123443211234
Damn you guys are thick.  The digital download is for PEOPLE THAT ALREADY OWN THE GAME! You still haven't found a valid link to where DF: UW is available for purchase. BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE!! If you don't already own Darkfall you won't be playing on launch day. Deal with it.

P.S.  I don't know why you guys are even looking at this game.  With the amount of whine in your posts there is no way in hell you can handle a full loot game.

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You can't find a place to buy it now because they aren't selling it now. Taking that fact and changing it to mean you cannot buy it on the 20th is a strange and illogical thing to do.

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Why will it be a disaster? Because there will be too much demand?

 DId you forget the first release?   And that was only 15-20K people in the first WAVE!!!  It doesn't take a ton of people to flood the starting areas and bring the server to its knees. (well before hitting the 10000 cap)

 

Do you really think DF-UW will be a failure compared to DF!?

 

That was their first release so they hadn't been able to stress test their system for the demand they experienced. They now have more funding and also have been able to test a lot of their software during the life of Darkfall. S

They're using the exact same server clusters and at no time has AV stated they've increase the games capabilities above the 10000 mark.   Why do you think there isnt a DF-UW website and forum?

They haven't increased above the 10k mark, if more try to log in they will be put in a queue.

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Why will it be a disaster? Because there will be too much demand?

 DId you forget the first release?   And that was only 15-20K people in the first WAVE!!!  It doesn't take a ton of people to flood the starting areas and bring the server to its knees. (well before hitting the 10000 cap)

 

Do you really think DF-UW will be a failure compared to DF!?

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh
There is no information on when we will be able to buy or download the game. Stating that you will not be able to buy the game until days after release is silly unless you have some proof to post.

Assuming you will and getting people hopes up is silly.   Unholy Wars will be a disasters if they open it to everyone Day 1.

Why will it be a disaster? Because there will be too much demand?

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Falesh
There is no information on when we will be able to buy or download the game. Stating that you will not be able to buy the game until days after release is silly unless you have some proof to post.

Yes there is information. 

"Darkfall: Unholy Wars will be available for PC, via digital download, on November 20, 2012."

There is no information to the contrary. Just random number dude talking. 

Oops, my mistake. I was just trying to think of any posts about any delayed buying and came up blank and that blank transfered to the rest of my post. ;)

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Originally posted by Fearmeirl
Pretty much confirms they have removed skill and talent and replaced it with R/P/S and numbers. Woot!, I guess.

Please explain how you came to that conclusion?

 How about the inherent inaccuracy now built into ranged weapons/skills?

At close range the larger crosshair you get when moving is still covered by a player character so that doesn't change much. At medium to long range it is not but you can time your movements so that you stop just before your ability has charged so you get full accuracy while only standing still for the minimum amount of time.

I still don't get the R/P/S bit. There is the possibility that may be the case in 1v1, though we can't say for sure if it is or not due to the lack of information on all the roles/schools. However DF:UW is a group game and with the diversity they have added group combat will become more skill based due to having to work more as a team rather then everyone being able to do everything.

I'm pretty confident that the best groups with the best players will win consistently in DF:UW. Only time will prove this right or wrong though.

Originally posted by Fearmeirl
Pretty much confirms they have removed skill and talent and replaced it with R/P/S and numbers. Woot!, I guess.

Please explain how you came to that conclusion?

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Falesh

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by afhn2110
  Nothing wrong with this at all.

Lol sure...The new and improved Darkfall has half the features as its predecessosr.

 

DF-UNHOLY WARS... the first "expansion" in history to remove features.

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DF:UW has added features like the contract system, roles/schools, new lighting system, multi-core support, territory control via villages, new portal system and so on. They have also redone the map, improved the layout of cities, made walls meaningful and tonnes more. An yet people like you still spew bile because a couple of things they are remaking aren't in at lThe only joke I see is people trying to defend AVs removal of key game mechanics.   Lets face it...Darkfall UW is nothing more than a pay to beta for the pending Asian client.  AV hasn't talked much, but in the little said we have too much pending. "balancing,tweaking and more thought" IE  Not finished 

Boats, Warhulk,Towers Cannons, Market

...and this is just for starters!!! There are many other questions that have gone unanswered by AV. Wonder why???

I was hoping UW would be fairly complete, not a shell.

Then you should rejoice because it is way more then "fairly complete". They had a choice:

1. Release the game now with siege machinery and boats as they are in DF
2. Delay the game until they have redone the siege machinery and boats
3. Release the game and add in the siege machinery and boats once they have been redone

They chose option 3 which is, in my opinion, the right choice because by the time we can actually make the stuff they could have finished remaking them. It is nice to know they aren't taking an easy way out and just leaving it as it was in the origional even though they know that by doing so they open themselves up for abuse. They have also added a huge amount to the game, far far more then anything that is temporarily left out. 

I know trolling AV is fun for a lot of people but it is sad to see because the false information given by the trolls could put some new players off trying a unique and amazing game from one company that actually stuck to their vision and made a game that isn't yet another WoW clone.

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by afhn2110
  Nothing wrong with this at all.

Lol sure...The new and improved Darkfall has half the features as its predecessosr.

 

DF-UNHOLY WARS... the first "expansion" in history to remove features.

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DF:UW has added features like the contract system, roles/schools, new lighting system, multi-core support, territory control via villages, new portal system and so on. They have also redone the map, improved the layout of cities, made walls meaningful and tonnes more. An yet people like you still spew bile because a couple of things they are remaking aren't in at launch when we couldn't use them anyway.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Falesh

I'm not sure which way you are meaning this so please excuse me if I am mistaken but I hope you are not implying that lot of players in DF:UW will actually stay in the starter cities and farm goblins because they are safe from attack? If so do you know how utterly pitiful the goblin loot is? No player will stay unless they have absolutely nowhere else to go.

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I would say you got it right. Some don't get it even after 3 years of launching their own product...

 

Then you know nothing about the game if you think people would kill goblins forever.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Ambros123
Whats the big deal?

 

EVE had this and is a great for the new players.  Safe zones are limitied and with limited rewards, for greater rewards one must venture out into the free-for-all space where one can lose everything.

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There are a few points you are missing.

1) Only about 15% of EVE player base actually venture out where one can lose everything.
2) Majority of the players do not care about greater rewards.
3) There is tons of content in safe zones.

I'm not sure which way you are meaning this so please excuse me if I am mistaken but I hope you are not implying that lot of players in DF:UW will actually stay in the starter cities and farm goblins because they are safe from attack? If so do you know how utterly pitiful the goblin loot is? No player will stay unless they have absolutely nowhere else to go.

This is something that is easy to pick up and bitch about and unfortunately a lot of people would rather post an attack on AV then actually think about it for a second. If they did think they would come to the conclusion that it may not make any difference and it is also nice that they are changing these things for the better.

There is the possibility it will be bad if they don't implement it by the time we will actually use them. However this is only a possibility so we should not assume it will be true or false.