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People can say what they want right now, when they start playing the game the wiz101 graphics are going to get old really fast. 
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by caetftl

All the games listed failed at the pvp level... they are massive failures in regards to being pvp mmos.

By who and what standard? What is a failure? What is success? These are completely subjective unless you are basing it off life of game or total pop or some other hard number. WAR for example had some mighty fun PVP, didn't recapture the DAoC experience, but wasn't a "massive failure" in my book. End game PVE and meaningful PVP is a different story. Much like Crowfall, Mark Jacobs is trying to wipe the slate clean and do it "better" with Camelot Unchained. Still a bag of promises, but I'll take promises over an empty bag with only room for my tears.

Yea i broke the code, it's to be an intelligent consumer and not reward companies with buzz and hype for consistently underperforming.  People like you on the other hand, want to throw logic to the wind and call the behavior "optimism.  Good job that's typical.  You don't see a bunch of mindless fanbois?  I do... I did before they announced anything about the game, I do now when they've started revealing aspects of the game.

And who is being harmed? You have taken yourself out of the equation, yet feel the need to still inject your view, doesn't really make sense to me. I'll admit the OP does come across as a fanboi, but eh, that's their deal. Gets conversation going, but don't get why it always has to jump off the rails into "fail fail fail." Then again, that's what I get for visiting this site, CF forum is much different crowd of course =)

I'm not throwing logic to the wind.

  1. They've revealed some general and some specific details about the game.
  2. Those look good to me.
  3. I'm fully aware that what is delivered may not live up to my expectations or what the devs are saying.
  4. I'm a big boy and can handle a little let down. Won't be crying myself to sleep if they go "JK this will be a themepark, get ready to grind!"
  5. I would call this "optimism" and not blind faith or total lack of any sense of reality or past experience. Been online gaming since 95 or so, plenty of experience.
If you remove optimism, you are left with pessimism. I like games because they make me happy, not because I want to moan and complain. Whenever a game no longer meets my expectations, I'm out. I don't wallow, rage, complain, etc. Move on. Seems many prefer to start on the other end and go "this sucks, fail, no chance, I don't like this because it isn't what I like." Which is fine, but adds absolutely zero to the conversation. Guess I'll never grasp why people feel the need to hop into a forum about games they dislike and have no intention of playing and then share the view as if it was needed (not saying you, just in general).

You can take the good for many games, without just plainly copying one.  WoW had many mmorpgs to learn from, and yes that does make sense, but sometimes fanbois want to misconstrue what you say, does that make sense?  Yea doing the opposite of what people didn't like isn't exactly "copying" something... are you starting to see the contradictions in your words?  Furor also wasn't a lead dev... he started out as a regular old gm (not even senior gm) and worked his way up, but he still isn't even a "lead dev". 

 I agree and why I think the whole "WoW Clone" view is usually misused. But without EQ, who know when or how WoW would of turned out. When they hire the most famous EQ player, good chance that they wanted both his experience with the most popular competition at the time and his ideas for how games could do better. As far as being a "lead," says it at this link, but honestly not really something I care too deeply about.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Alex_Afrasiabi

You literally just named a WoW dev the paragraph before, and then now you are saying you didn't recognize any names.  That's called fanboi rose tinted goggles.  Blizzard has been a gaming giant since long before WoW came out, their names are well known, many of which moved on and branched off and do other things, things like gw1/gw2/firefall etc etc.  When you say you don't know ex blizzard devs, all that says is you don't actually know much about the industry, which is probably why you think it's good to get hyped for mmos over and over again.

To be fair, I don't remember his name, only his EQ handle and connection to FOH. Regardless, until I looked him up, didn't know what he actually did with Blizzard. Funny he started with quests considering his EQ exp. Played WoW for several years and couldn't even come close to guessing someone else's name, then again, I'm not a Blizzard fanboi either, I'm sure someone out there can rattle off a good list.

Like I said, Blizzard is a company. When someone goes "Who designed WoW" doubt many outside of big Blizz fans can name several if any (could be wrong), even more so when it comes to features.

Unlike UO, EQ, SWG, DAOC/WAR, ESO, etc which have names like Koster, Jacobs, Firor, McQuaid, etc.

Guess for me it is the leap from games that appeared to be designed and developed my individuals (as of team of course) to simply companies producing a product. Call it rose tinted or whatever, but I never see people going "Man I wish dev X from WoW that created Y feature would work on this project." Heck, don't see people praying for any features of WoW to be used in other games for that matter. Despite all the talent that went into making the biggest mmorpg in history.

Chris Roberts used his name to raise millions for a game with Roberts Space Industries slapped on it... Roberts =/= Blizzard, but that's still impressive. 

Basically you're biased, the devs at CF are known for some of the most awful decisions in their respective mmos. blixtrev ruined crafting, gordon walton brought you trammel, shadowbane was one of the biggest flops in mmo history.  Like honestly let's get real here. 

I don't disagree. At the same time, without context you have jaded colored glasses.

Walton was asked on CF forum and said exactly why Trammel came to be, some fans might have hated it, but guess what? Many others didn't. Wouldn't say it was a terrible PVP design feature, simply a different play style. Which if you've looked into CF, you'd notice they are trying to do with the different worlds.

SB was a relative flop, doesn't mean it didn't have any redeeming features, again, Coleman has gone into length about what went wrong. Before DAoC popped out of nowhere, I was very excited for SB. Sadly, it didn't live up to my expectations at the time. Still had a lot of potential features that any PVP focused game could utilize.

Only briefly played SWG so didn't experience what Blixtev did, but from my understanding is that he did some good, despite the crafting and even then, it wasn't a one man show making decisions. SWG suffered from some of that whole "company" design and decision making. Although he was behind EQ's POP I think, which is when I quit EQ, wouldn't exactly say he is a win for the team =)

Fully admit I'm biased, just like you and everyone else. Simply choose to be positive. Regardless of what mistakes these devs have made, they've had 10-15+ years to think about it. They've worked on other games, products, genres, and different industries. Going "SB sucked so CF will likely suck too." is just as accurate then saying it will be the best game ever.

This isn't Wolfpack 2.0 or UO-Trammel or SWG or .... I have no clue what will happen with Crowfall, as I said, I like what I see and until something causes me to not feel that way, I will continue to be excited. I'll take a giant leap and assume that if you take individuals from some very memorable games, behind some great features, put them in a room together and have them design something new, pretty decent chance it might actually be fun. Then again, fun might not be what some are looking for, not a lot of room for complaining when having a good time.

Edit: Sorry for wall of text =)

You can argue anything in the world to be subjective, context is what matters.  As PvP mmos, they all failed, either short-lived, extremely low pop to the point they couldn't keep running, or they drove the pvpers away with pve changes. 

 

Wrong, if you remove optimism you are left with realism and pessimism in the spectrum.  This seems to be something you've never considered.

 

Now you're just arguing a hypothetical, someone says WoW is an EQ clone, I mention that it didn't just copy EQ and actually has a lot of differences, you argue that it did, then I argue that it didn't, now you are saying "well who knows how it would be without EQ", well we know how it is with EQ, and it's still very different from EQ.  It learned from it, it did not copy it. 

 

Blizzard names are more recognizable in the industry than any other names except maybe garriott... you just happen to be detached from the blizzard universe.  Remember WoW is the game that all other games listen to, they may not copy, but they are always definitely interested in what blizzard is up to.  To think people don't recognize names of some of their big devs is just plain silly. 

Any dedicated pvper in UO did not like trammel. 

 

Basically your logic seems to be, "this might not be like their other mistakes, it could be good if they really learned from it"... sorry that's not enough of a foundation to get hyped about... unless you are a fanboi.

Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by caetftl

They don't have a lot of good tries, they have a lot of massive failures.

Really? UO, SWG, Wiz/Pir101, WAR, TOR wre massive failures? I'll admit that SB did relatively poorly, but still had people begging to keep it online and more then happy for anything that might resemble it coming back. As I said, they've had some nice tries, might have made a bad decision here and there with pretty severe consequences, but what they seem to be bringing to this game are what people actually liked and have been wanting for years.

I'll say it again, any intelligent mmo veteran knows not to get hyped, because we've been promised everything under the sun, and mmorpg companies never deliver even half of what they promise initially.

So? Good job, you've broke the code, you see behind the current. No fooling you. Just because you choose to live in sad land and don't get a smile on your face when a new game is announced, don't try to rain on anyone else's sunny day. Like I said, if someone is so attached to what they are seeing and are going to follow the devs off a cliff, really doesn't have anything to do with the discussions here. I don't see a bunch of mindless fanbois totally oblivious to what's going on.

Also to the guy that says blizzard just copied EQ and doesn't have intelligent and talented devs behind it, that's just silly.  They took the good from EQ and a lot of other mmos, and added mainstream polish to it.  They didn't copy EQ, EQ was much more tedious, much more grindy, and was not quest based or instanced based at all. 

They didn't copy EQ, yet they took the good from EQ? Makes sense...

EQ basically put the mmorpg genre on the map and games that followed took some of the general guidelines. Guild leader of FOH from EQ and probably the most outspoken individual about the issues of EQ back in the day is a lead WoW dev. Simply going "We'll do the opposite of whatever people didn't like about EQ" probably helped shape WoW.

Trying to downplay the talent at blizzard is just plain stupid, they work on multiple IPs and have great success financially with all of them, all have great polish, all are popular. 

Let's also not forget they were a top gaming studio long before WoW was ever a project for them. 

Not sure if what they were getting at with the comment though, looked like a reference to Blizzard not having any big name devs like the ones working on CF. I know several of the CF devs by name and didn't even play their games at all or very much. Can't say the same for WoW or vast majority of mmos. Doesn't mean they are a talent less company, looking at their success would prove otherwise. Simply that they are a company. When I think of Blizzard I don't think of X or Y devs that made A or B games or even features. Unlike some of the folks on the CF team which are know for fairly specific features and which leads back to the hype.

 

All the games listed failed at the pvp level... they are massive failures in regards to being pvp mmos. 

Yea i broke the code, it's to be an intelligent consumer and not reward companies with buzz and hype for consistently underperforming.  People like you on the other hand, want to throw logic to the wind and call the behavior "optimism.  Good job that's typical.  You don't see a bunch of mindless fanbois?  I do... I did before they announced anything about the game, I do now when they've started revealing aspects of the game.

You can take the good for many games, without just plainly copying one.  WoW had many mmorpgs to learn from, and yes that does make sense, but sometimes fanbois want to misconstrue what you say, does that make sense?  Yea doing the opposite of what people didn't like isn't exactly "copying" something... are you starting to see the contradictions in your words?  Furor also wasn't a lead dev... he started out as a regular old gm (not even senior gm) and worked his way up, but he still isn't even a "lead dev". 

 

You literally just named a WoW dev the paragraph before, and then now you are saying you didn't recognize any names.  That's called fanboi rose tinted goggles.  Blizzard has been a gaming giant since long before WoW came out, their names are well known, many of which moved on and branched off and do other things, things like gw1/gw2/firefall etc etc.  When you say you don't know ex blizzard devs, all that says is you don't actually know much about the industry, which is probably why you think it's good to get hyped for mmos over and over again. 

Basically you're biased, the devs at CF are known for some of the most awful decisions in their respective mmos. blixtrev ruined crafting, gordon walton brought you trammel, shadowbane was one of the biggest flops in mmo history.  Like honestly let's get real here. 

 

Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by caetftl

Now anyone that is an intelligent mmo veteran knows better than to get hyped after all the bs we've been fed for the last decade+.

Here's my logic, it's a game. Anyone that forgets that and starts getting too emotionally attached, probably has bigger issues going on.

Despite almost 20 years of online gaming experience, I still get excited and look forward to upcoming products.

CF looks and sounds good at the point. That could change after the clock runs out, beta, release, after a month, year, whatever.

Until I see something that makes me run for the hills, I'll keep positive. Honestly doubt anyone on here needs advice from the peanut gallery about being hyped up or not. Live and learn.

I've learned that no game will ever be perfect for me or completely live up to my imaginary expectations. I'm fine with that. Doesn't mean I don't want to be surprised and have a product turn out to be enjoyable. While I take the glass half empty approach with many things in life, gaming is not one of them.

The team behind CF doesn't have a spotless record, but they do have a lot of good tries. Hopefully they can put out something that works better this time around, again, live and learn.

They don't have a lot of good tries, they have a lot of massive failures. 

I'll say it again, any intelligent mmo veteran knows not to get hyped, because we've been promised everything under the sun, and mmorpg companies never deliver even half of what they promise initially.

 

Also to the guy that says blizzard just copied EQ and doesn't have intelligent and talented devs behind it, that's just silly.  They took the good from EQ and a lot of other mmos, and added mainstream polish to it.  They didn't copy EQ, EQ was much more tedious, much more grindy, and was not quest based or instanced based at all. 

 

Trying to downplay the talent at blizzard is just plain stupid, they work on multiple IPs and have great success financially with all of them, all have great polish, all are popular. 

 

Let's also not forget they were a top gaming studio long before WoW was ever a project for them. 

Here's my logic about this game.

 

It aims to be a PvP game but it is made by people from shadowbane and wiz101.  One was a flop mmorpg that had a terrible launch and quickly died out after being unplayable in quality.  One is a game best suited for child development, which is awesome for what it is, but is not great for adult pvp mmorpg. 

 

It also has the guy behind UO-trammel on it, not something that PvPers look fondly upon.

 

People learn from their mistakes, and some of these guys have been in the industry for a long time, but their track record with pvp success is not great.

 

Now you can disregard all of that if you wish, but in the end the game still has very little to show about what it actually is (big reveals coming in a couple of weeks) but even then it probably won't have gameplay footage yet.

 

Now anyone that is an intelligent mmo veteran knows better than to get hyped after all the bs we've been fed for the last decade+.

yay hyperbole...
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Originally posted by VveV
Originally posted by Dullahan
The problem with the non-tab target mmos of the past wasn't their combat systems or even the lack of polish, it was the lack of anything worthwhile to do or fight over besides castle seiging and random ganking.  It doesn't make for a compelling or believable virtual world, and its likely the same fate Crowfall will suffer if they don't focus on making the game fun beyond the PvP.  A world cannot exist for PvP alone.  The counterstrike with elves archetype offers no long term playability.

Darkfall is doing just fine. As well as some other sandbox games. -_-

Not sure who you are kidding, but it sure ain't me.

Lets not pretend the hundreds of thousands of players like myself who followed Darkfall from its announcement back in the early 2000s were anything but disappointed with the final product or its sequel.  They got stuck on pvp and sieging and never delivered on creating a meaningful world with various other activities that offered players a reason to log in.  No progression, no content = no fun.

You and others can have your thoughts on the game.

However, that is irrelevant to the fact that it  isn't dead and has a healthy population..

It isn't dead, but the population is not healthy.  You are only fooling yourself.

I'll chime in here... by saying this... whether darkfall is alive or not really isn't going to make a good case for or against action combat, as darkfall's problems lie elsewhere...

 

That being said, darkfall isn't really doing all that well, it's been hanging on by a thread for quite a while... if i recall one of the head honchos a while back made some drunken vlog venting about how messed up things were there. 

 

It actually reminds me a lot of shadowbane in how the game fared...

Originally posted by cheyane
Doesn't friendly fire encourage those liable to just try to kill their own side .

In games with player driven environments, if you act like a mega-jerk to everyone you may find it very hard to progress in any way.

Combat will be much less twitchy with friendly fire... you can't just run around like a maniac swinging or casting wildly in group pvp if friendly fire is involved. 
Originally posted by Sojhin

The main concern I have with no tab targeting is that this may make the core__move and counter move; rock, paper, and scissors aspect of Shadowbane__which this game seems to build upon in conflict if not outright highly broken balance wise favoring twitchy based combat (non-tab targeting combat).

 

A valid concern, but i think ultimately it's good when you allow a game to require both mechanical and strategical skill... both can play off of each other to create a higher skill-ceiling... removing too much of one element or the other makes the skill-ceiling much lower. 

Originally posted by Howbadisbad

 


Originally posted by caetftl

Originally posted by Howbadisbad  

Originally posted by Randayn Darkfall, Mortal Online, AA (non-action combat)...the GIANT list of kickstarter failures....and just about every game currently in development...
  But Darkfall, MO, and AA were not failed games. Just because you dislike them doesn't mean they failed.
AA definitely isn't a failed game, but because it isn't action combat, and isn't a truly open pvp game, it shouldn't even be on the list.

 

 

Darkfall and MO can be considered financial failures I imagine, but that's not because there wasn't a demand for the games, I think the bigger problem was the low budget production quality.  People wanted to play the games, the quality just wasn't there to justify them dumping their time into it. 


 


But they can't be financial failures if they are still up and running. Do you think companies will continue to operate at a loss?

Short answer: yes, businesses don't instantly shut down the moment they stop making profit...

 

Long answer:  You can be a financial failure while still making profit... if the profit isn't good return on investment. 

 

It's like you invest a million dollars to make a penny of profit a month... it's still a failure...

Originally posted by Howbadisbad

 


Originally posted by Randayn
Darkfall, Mortal Online, AA (non-action combat)...the GIANT list of kickstarter failures....and just about every game currently in development...

 

But Darkfall, MO, and AA were not failed games. Just because you dislike them doesn't mean they failed.

AA definitely isn't a failed game, but because it isn't action combat, and isn't a truly open pvp game, it shouldn't even be on the list.

 

Darkfall and MO can be considered financial failures I imagine, but that's not because there wasn't a demand for the games, I think the bigger problem was the low budget production quality.  People wanted to play the games, the quality just wasn't there to justify them dumping their time into it. 

Originally posted by Greymantle4
No worries here they lost me at full loot pvp.

Not all of their servers are full loot... they actually have many different rulesets with varying loot rules, import/export rules, who you can attack rules, etc.

I'm just curious how people are feeling on this... I imagine some are frustrated, I imagine some are excited...
Originally posted by NorseGod

There is already emotional attachment to a game that have almost zero information about it.

How? Just how is it possible for people to be already emotionally defending a game that NOBODY knows anything about?

Anything said about this game is pure guessing and wishful thinking.

Every game has them... surprisingly for crowfall the wiz101 players that are interested seem to be much more rational about the whole process, whereas the shadowbane players have been more fanatical about things they know nothing about. 

I think it has slightly less than the quakenet irc channel but the people on glowfish seem much nicer. 

 

I checked out the quakenet one and those people just seemed like the stereotypical hardcore pvpers... way too abrasive and obsessed with being good at pvp.

Seems like they've added some more themepark rides... haven't really done much to make your actions matter in the persistent world though...
I can tell you game of thrones wouldn't be as popular if it were a disney series...
Originally posted by Nefastus
Originally posted by caetftl

I don't think any truly hardcore pvper would be excited for a game that went closer to wiz101 graphics than hyperrealism lol....That doesn't scream hardcore, grim, or brutal at all...

Well then you haven't seen Faxion.

Either way, most PvPers really don't give a rats ass about graphics. What matters is game play mechanics and performance. One of the main reasons behind this graphic style could be performance, with less poligons etc game can run much smoother in large scale PvP and on not-so-modern rigs.

What's your pvp experience? 

I don't think any truly hardcore pvper would be excited for a game that went closer to wiz101 graphics than hyperrealism lol....That doesn't scream hardcore, grim, or brutal at all...

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