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Self-serving article.. panels cover things the author has no expertise on..  but I am sure she will tweet tons of pictures of herself at the convention cause she is so networked into the scene yo!

Sigh, whatever happened to an era where people actually took time to learn about things...

Originally posted by askdaboss
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by askdaboss

OP thought - in good faith - that the numbers were accurate. And I can understand why, he quoted a Reddit article and other (supposedly) more reliable external source (including this website).

Who is arguing with who about what now?

The OP is notorious for spinning things in a pro-gw2 light, so it is hard to say it is in good faith, especially when he starts asking if people are "mentally challenged" just because they own multiple accounts. 

Some of the posters here understand that a more objective and enlightened approach to gaming will help the industry more than overzealous irrational behavior so when we see gw2 information we try to objectively discuss what it means, we do not assume it is good or bad, but instead explore it, contextualize it and then try to determine what it says about the health of the game. 

Well, my (limited) personal experience/understanding of OP is that he is a fan of the game, and he was happy to report the news (while assuming the news was true).

I think it's taking a bit too far saying that he blatantly lied, knowing from the start that the information was wrong (is MMORPG.com part of this conspiracy too then?). Thus, he reported the news in good faith.

 

It seems to me that even:

1) Haters thought the number was correct initially,

2) Despite 3.8 millions being a huge number, they were trying put a negative spin to it: "I have 4 accounts myself", "Chinese is an easy market", etc.

I mean a lot of people should be notorious for spinning things in their preferred light here, not just OP.

1.  People who didn't think the numbers were correct (people that went to the original source and either translated it themselves or looked for accurate translations) did not ever think the number was correct.  Anyone that has a decent feel for the mmo industry would have been skeptical of those numbers and would not have taken them on blind faith, because 3.8million accounts in 2 months is just too unrealistic.

2.  I don't think people who say they have multiple accounts should be accused of being "mentally challenged" and put into context it is much worse because the OP is extremely misinformed in the first place, but is throwing personal attacks out at others. 

Originally posted by askdaboss

I don't even understand why this is still going...

OP thought - in good faith - that the numbers were accurate. And I can understand why, he quoted a Reddit article and other (supposedly) more reliable external source (including this website).

 

People discussed those numbers here (isn't it what these forums are for?). We found out none of the sources were actually reliable. ANet later confirmed this isn't number of account.

 

Who is arguing with who about what now?

I mean of course we had the usual background noise ("Chinese market isn't a real market", "these numbers are meaningless" or "This proves the game is doing well", etc.). Turns up those numbers are of little use to anyone, and all the interpretations are only fiction.

The OP is notorious for spinning things in a pro-gw2 light, so it is hard to say it is in good faith, especially when he starts asking if people are "mentally challenged" just because they own multiple accounts. 

Some of the posters here understand that a more objective and enlightened approach to gaming will help the industry more than overzealous irrational behavior so when we see gw2 information we try to objectively discuss what it means, we do not assume it is good or bad, but instead explore it, contextualize it and then try to determine what it says about the health of the game. 

Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Ludwik
I'll be honest, I have 4 copies of the game. Having each character on a different account is a great way to get around all their daily restrictions. since you can pickup the game for $5 out of the bargain bin at Wal-Mart it's really not that expensive either. A few of my friends have 8 copies of the game, one for each character class.

7.3 million copies is impressive never the less.

I.... what?  I'd like to see the receipt for that 5 dollar GW2 game.  Secondly, no offense to your friends, but if they buy 8 copies of the game so they can have one of each character class, they are... I'm not sure the politest way to put this.

...

... slightly mentally challenged? :(  You have 5 character slots per account.  Sure, i could see two copies of the game (Though that's awkward when it comes to all the disadvantages with account bound things)... but one per class?  I'm going to just assume you're either making things up, or your friends have never played any MMORPG but FFXI and assume that single character slots is the only way they work. :(

Please refrain from flaming people and at the same time disrespecting people who are mentally challenged.  Especially when you yourself are at fault for doing something silly (not checking the accuracy of information before making bold claims about stats)

Quite true, but the scary thing is that multiple mmo sites ran with the incorrect information, and it really makes you wonder what kinda journalistic qualifications these people have if they can't even do some basic source checking. 
"here is the link to actual site where all the stats originally came from (not 17173,com btw):

http://static.gw2sns.com/subject/server-cn/

You can see the figures include class distribution and gender."

Next time please do proper checking before making wild claims meowhead... the census is for characters per server, not accounts per server. 

 

Game... set... match...  I know you like GW2, but arguing their financial reports which are cold hard numbers, and then now trying to spin other stats to represent something that they do not represent is going a little too far.

 

Let's strive for knowledge and not ignorance...

Originally posted by askdaboss
Originally posted by caetftl

What's scary is that the people who are objective about the stats are the ones that are wrong until proven right, while the ones who are completely misinformed and are spreading that misinformation are the ones given the benefit of the doubt.

NOWHERE does it say the census is listing accounts per server at the original source of the census.  Anyone that can read chinese characters can verify this.

Hold on pal! It's already on Wikipedia... So it must be true.

 

Look, GW2 already the 7th best selling PC game of all times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_games

 

* Proceeds to check source of wikipedia claim and date of edition *

Oh. Looks like a snake biting its own tail.

 

Ya that's crazy because the site does not say those are accounts per server, yet people are claiming they are, without even understanding what the site says... like has journalism and reading comprehension gotten this poor in the western world? 

What's scary is that the people who are objective about the stats are the ones that are wrong until proven right, while the ones who are completely misinformed and are spreading that misinformation are the ones given the benefit of the doubt.

NOWHERE does it say the census is listing accounts per server at the original source of the census.  Anyone that can read chinese characters can verify this.

Do you have an official source for this number, or are you using a reddit post that many MMO sites based their information off of.

Characters per server =! accounts per server..  On top of that the game sells for the equivalent of $14 USD in china.  This not only makes it easier for people to get into in the first place... it makes it much easier for gold sellers/farmers to hoard accounts and inflate the character population numbers. 

 

Meowhead you are known for not being able to interpret data, but this time you really just made an awful and unsubstantiated claim, that continues to show how eager you are to claim pro-gw2 stuff without objectively looking at context or information first.  It's like not only did you run with the hype and not an actual interpretation of the census site, you then took it a step further by taking those misconstrued numbers and adding them to western sales, to generate your own new number that further accentuates the misinformation. 

 

This is also the second time you've grossly perpetuated misinformation due to language barrier... you were also the first to run with the chinese publisher claim of "unique players" when it was "weekly logins" months ago when the publisher was releasing misleading numbers to try and generate hype for the game. 

But the scariest part about all of this is that only a handful of people were smart enough to actually go to the sources and figure out what it actually meant... most gw2 forum readers just accepted you at your very misinformed word..  How can people be content to so easily accept such ignorance... don't they look for the truth in everything that impacts their perception of the world? 

Jeez, 1 source misinterprets ambiguous data and every MMO news site runs with it. 

 

The source for all these claims is a census they took that measures characters per server (not accounts).  Obviously chinese players don't all just use 1 character on their server so the number is not accurate. 

Also let's add some context to GW2 in china, the game sells for less than a movie ticket there. 

How can you say they delivered on most of the things discussed in the manifesto with a straight face?  They most certainly did not...

 

I have yet to see MMORPG.com write a valid review of gw2, it's always spinning it with the most blatantly obvious rose-tinted goggles. 

 

How are you going to give that title to your article, and then not really criticize or truly analyze whether it actually did or not, and just basically turn it into another advertisement for the game, does mmorpg have a quota they have to fill for anet or something? 

Originally posted by Malevil

Lets get back to the point OP was trying to make - > that NCsoft and GW2 has problems . Which is obvious bullshit. Honestly 100+ mil USD per year for almost 2y old game is not what I call 'problem'. And comparing drop from Q4 (hint: Christmas) to Q1 and try to make it look like doom is either stupidity or direct attempt to start flame war (in which he succeeded ).

Revenue isn't profit btw... and that 100mill usd per year isn't for a 2 year old game, it is for 4 quarters out of 6 aka a 1.5 year span.  I wish you would look at things objectively and stop trying to skew the context all the time.  I'll put it this way, if it wasn't a problem they wouldn't be megaservering which is basically just merging servers (gw2 fanbois conveniently used to use server merging as an indication that other games were struggling, but apparently that doesn't apply to their game) and they definitely wouldn't be trying to change the direction of the game constantly if they were getting results they liked.  It's also funny that you can use Q4 => Q1 as an excuse for number drops but then glorify Q3=>Q4 as the second coming of grenth.  (hint:christmas)

The game is down QoQ and YoY, it is at its second lowest quarter all time...

 

Keep turning 1.5 years into 2 years though... it must help you sleep better at night. 

 

Originally posted by afterchamy
I stopped reading when I read that OP wrote LoL was B2P ... epic facepalm.

Sounds like you never started reading, cause I never actually said that...

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl

Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

 

Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

 

yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

I wish ncsoft showed how much profit gw2 was making... I wish it wasn't obscured...

 

 

Ahh, so since you got caught with "revenue" you are now going to inject "profit" to replace it. (that's right, EA doesn't give profit either, just revenue like every other company).

Keep on backpeddling, soon you will be so far back we wont have to put up with your posts for a few days due to your having such a long ride back to your keyboard.

No one is backpedaling though, except you... remember when you claimed high revenue means high profit?  GW2's revenue isn't even that high compared to other mmos lol... i have earnings reports on my side... what do you have?  aside from a really poor understanding of business

Remember when you said you wished they reported their "profits" yet still told me they cant have high profits as if you knew they didn't, even while not knowing their operational costs. I do. Remember when you listed EVE as being ahead of GW2 yet didn't realize that they lost money, not made money and that Eve actually has fewer subscriptions than the 555k GW2 revenue equals? I do. Remember your list SWTOR ahead of it also even though EAs own earning reports and CEOs statements prove otherwise? I do. Guess you don't even have earning reports on your side either.

Your argument is based on nothing.

I actually never said they couldn't have high profits... but nice try lol...

I didn't list eve as being ahead in GW2, I listed EVE as having box sales on top of subs... which you were neglecting... 

Now how about you trying to talk about things I actually said... come on man you can troll better than this...

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl

Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

 

Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

 

yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

I wish ncsoft showed how much profit gw2 was making... I wish it wasn't obscured...

 

 

Ahh, so since you got caught with "revenue" you are now going to inject "profit" to replace it. (that's right, EA doesn't give profit either, just revenue like every other company).

Keep on backpeddling, soon you will be so far back we wont have to put up with your posts for a few days due to your having such a long ride back to your keyboard.

No one is backpedaling though, except you... remember when you claimed high revenue means high profit?  GW2's revenue isn't even that high compared to other mmos lol... i have earnings reports on my side... what do you have?  aside from a really poor understanding of business

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl

Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

 

Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

You mean like the hypocrisy of comparing a company obscuring logins to a company obscuring revenue in a topic you yourself created about revenue directly from the company where they are not doing it?

 

yeah...mad mad desperation. Did GW2 get you pregnant and leave you or something? Cause it seems like you have some sort of personal vendetta.

I wish ncsoft showed how much profit gw2 was making... I wish it wasn't obscured...

 

 

Stil a lot of hypocrisy going on here... people trying to point out that EA obscures their information...

 

Do you guys remember when the chinese publisher for gw2 intentionally obscured gw2 stats and tried to make 2.5million total logins per week into 2.5 million unique players per week?

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl

 

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau

that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

mad mad desperation......

1000000000000000000000000000 companies can be making more money, it doesn't mean a thing. The number is HIGH.

Profit doesn't matter, the revenue is high and thus the profit will be high.


I think you just made it plainly evident how well you understand business.... You might have some insane revenue... but if your operating cost is also high your profit may not be high. 

Says the person that thinks 100million a year is a low number for a game already released and low operational costs and also loves to believe what EA says about SWTOR revenue even though they combine it with other games to hide the numbers.

BTW, EVE has around 500k subscribers placing it around GW2s revenue. Doh!

Eve sells the game itself on top of that too though, DOH! 

 

100million in revenue is not high annually for an MMORPG in today's world... Also where is your evidence that they have low operating costs? 

Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by cheyane
That report in no way shows you subscriber numbers because GW 2 is B2P and did you forget to remove the cost of buying the box.

Why the hell would you want to compare subscribers in a game with 0 subscribers?

The ONLY measurment you can do is how much money it makes. Because in the end its only thing that matters, it means it will not fire 2/3 of their staff, remove 9/10 of the servers and will continue as planned cutting No.1. feature from development and will be able to fix problems, unlike some games *hint hint*

Well it's pretty simple, you can't say it equates to a game with X amount of subscribers, without also including the amount of box sales a game with X amount of subscribers has as well.

 

It would be like saying burger king makes as much revenue on their burgers as mcdonalds makes on the lettuce they use on their burgers. 

Originally posted by Pemmin
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by asmkm22

Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

 

The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west...

that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

yeah puts it at what #3 overall for mmo micro-transactions once you take out box price. and like 10-15 range across all genres. its doing pretty well for its age

WoW, SWTOR, EVE.

 

Also curious about what kinda numbers ESO has right now... probably higher than 555k. 

 

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau

that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

mad mad desperation......

1000000000000000000000000000 companies can be making more money, it doesn't mean a thing. The number is HIGH.

Profit doesn't matter, the revenue is high and thus the profit will be high.


I think you just made it plainly evident how well you understand business.... You might have some insane revenue... but if your operating cost is also high your profit may not be high. 

Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by asmkm22

Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

 

The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west...

that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

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