EQ has a feeling like no other associated with it when I think of it. And I only played it for 2 months. I can't even come close to explaining it, but it's one of the best feelings I've ever had from a video game in my life.

It's like.... EQ was a world, not a game.

But it was mostly the lore and the look of it. The gameplay was somewhat boring, but decent, and I could tell there was depth at some point, but the grind was just too much, and even when I had all the time in the world to play it, I didn't like how much time it took grinding the levels and gaining new abilities. Most of my time was spent clicking  a button once to attack, and then waiting for the enemy to die. 

Combat was fun to a degree, however, because it kept you on the edge of your seat just watching the fight go on a lot of the time. The fights would be so close sometimes, and I always kept saying to myself "Come on, come on, don't die" etc. while wide-eyed and staring intensely at my health bar. lol

This is when death mattered in an MMO.

But yes, at this point it's mainly nostalgia.

I am sorta enjoying this game. Not sure if I'll stick with it long, but it's pretty fun so far, especially the dragons. Pretty cool. The combat lag is a bit annoying at times, but it's not terrible. Sometimes I'll start attacking and somehow rubberband behind the enemies facing away from them and shit like that, though.

Also questing is relatively boring, and the cutscene voice acting doesn't even match the text most of the time. But still, not bad so far up to level 13 anyway.

Originally posted by khartokhar3
yeah thats kinda annoyin. happened to me a several times. but well on june 20th we will get the big patch. and they said that the dg-finder will be improved.

Originally posted by flizzer
I gave up on group events in this game.  Maybe I will return when my issues are addressed. 

That's good to hear, khartokhar. I found their sticky on General Discussion on their forums, and it was entirely too vague for me to be clear on whether or not this issue will be address among the changes. Still, hope for the future!

And flizzer, I can understand why you would give up on them for now, at least in regards to dungeons and PvP. Dungeons are so horribly boring compared to the rest of the game, I find, and I'm not personally a big PvP guy (especially with only the one mode available at least up 'til 39 which is farthest I've gotten), but at least the Skirmishes are somewhat fun and quick, if nothing overly special.

What are your main issues you want addressed?

It's frustrating spending nearly an hour on a dungeon, just to have one person leave at the final boss and then be unable to finish. I haven't finished the Mad Dragon dungeon, and I just went through this in the Idris dungeon as well. This is one game I would expect this to be in in some form, since most of its gameplay is pretty streamlined and quickly accessible.

Blah, oh well. Back to the grind.

What else does there need to be? People don't want to pay, and the companies aren't making them (right away). Unless you have tons of money, people will always chose the one that costs less, and free is as little as they need to be.

F2P is ruining the genre, in my opinion, but what can ya do? 

Originally posted by rutaq

So paying for a product you want to use causes you to become physically sick ?  

 How did you manage to even type this melodramatic post ?  

Is your keyboard vomit proof ?  

....   someone had to pay for your computer, someone had to pay for your internet.    If paying for things you want makes you sick then I assume you must still live at home with your parents.

 

  For me the Free to Play model is lame, it just allows a bunch of "entitled" gamers to play a game that someone else is paying for and distracts the DEV's attention as they struggle with ways to monetize the game.  Money / Profit is King so it doesn't take long for an MMO DEV team to be gutted and new content delayed as staff are focused on the next set of Vanity Pets, Costumes and in the end things slip into P2W.

 

The Free trail /  Subscription model provides consistent predictable revenue and helps the DEVs focus on the most important thing..  the game, not the cash shop.

 The vomiting part was about the guy in the quote being unwilling to pay the $15 a month for the game, and said it and every game should be free. You got it backwards.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Ghavrigg

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Mkilbride

Wow, how are people not understanding what I said?

 

Seriously, they don't understand that that was the post I quoted?

 

I don't agree with it, ya idjits.

Uhhhh, up to the point where you wrote this post, exactly one person misinterpreted your quoted text as your own words.  Everyone else was criticizing YOU for your hyperbolic response to the text you quoted.  Just to be crystal clear, so far, more people have responded in favor of the text you quoted (anti-subscription) than to you (f2p induced nausea syndrome.)  

To be honest, it was blatantly obvious that the guy was talking about the person he quoted talking about how P2P is dead today, and how $15 a month is too expensive and every MMO should be F2P. More than one person didn't understand what he was objecting to, and only the one person thought the OP actually wrote it. 

His post here wasn't directed only to the person who thought he wrote what was quoted. 

If I read your post correctly, that's what Homitu just said.

Well, not exactly. He was talking about everyone criticizing the OP's response to the quote, not that more people seemed to be confused about what part caused the response. Nitpicking, I guess.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Ghavrigg

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Adokas

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Gravarg
If you can't pay $15 a month for a game, you have bigger things to worry about than whether a game is P2P or F2P.

Has anyone ever said that they can't pay $15/ month?

Plenty say that. I hear that argument quite often. That it's expensive, etc. And like others are saying, if people have a problem using $15 / 12.99 EUR monthly on a game they have access to 24/7, then perhaps, they have some other issues they should look into fixing. Yet, at the same time, they have no issues going out, dumping a bunch of cash on a one time movie night with popcorn, etc.

People say that it's expensive, but they don't say they "can't" pay it. Those two statements are incredibly different.

 

It's really just a value judgment at that point. Many people feel like sub games are overpriced because there are free options that are as good or better than P2P options to them. P2P games just aren't that good to them. What is left anyway? WoW, EVE or Darkfall? If they don't like those games and enjoy MMORPGs, then it would make sense that they would think those games are overpriced. 

 

Another thing I should mention is that you don't have any clue what people are spending their money on outside of gaming. You can pretend to know based on your own rampant spending on random entertainment, but there are a lot of people that actually respect their money and take care when deciding what to spend it on.

Ok, then put it another way. If they're saying $15/month is EXPENSIVE, then they still have issues, because it's NOT EXPENSIVE!

It is if you think the games that are P2P are worse than the games that are F2P.

The only real difference between them is that P2P is for those who want immersion, and not to be constantly nagged about what can be bought in a cash shop. The base games are all generally similar quality (well... maybe not most of the Asian anime clones).

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Mkilbride

Wow, how are people not understanding what I said?

 

Seriously, they don't understand that that was the post I quoted?

 

I don't agree with it, ya idjits.

Uhhhh, up to the point where you wrote this post, exactly one person misinterpreted your quoted text as your own words.  Everyone else was criticizing YOU for your hyperbolic response to the text you quoted.  Just to be crystal clear, so far, more people have responded in favor of the text you quoted (anti-subscription) than to you (f2p induced nausea syndrome.)  

To be honest, it was blatantly obvious that the guy was talking about the person he quoted talking about how P2P is dead today, and how $15 a month is too expensive and every MMO should be F2P. More than one person didn't understand what he was objecting to, and only the one person thought the OP actually wrote it. 

His post here wasn't directed only to the person who thought he wrote what was quoted. 

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Adokas

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Gravarg
If you can't pay $15 a month for a game, you have bigger things to worry about than whether a game is P2P or F2P.

Has anyone ever said that they can't pay $15/ month?

Plenty say that. I hear that argument quite often. That it's expensive, etc. And like others are saying, if people have a problem using $15 / 12.99 EUR monthly on a game they have access to 24/7, then perhaps, they have some other issues they should look into fixing. Yet, at the same time, they have no issues going out, dumping a bunch of cash on a one time movie night with popcorn, etc.

People say that it's expensive, but they don't say they "can't" pay it. Those two statements are incredibly different.

 

It's really just a value judgment at that point. Many people feel like sub games are overpriced because there are free options that are as good or better than P2P options to them. P2P games just aren't that good to them. What is left anyway? WoW, EVE or Darkfall? If they don't like those games and enjoy MMORPGs, then it would make sense that they would think those games are overpriced. 

 

Another thing I should mention is that you don't have any clue what people are spending their money on outside of gaming. You can pretend to know based on your own rampant spending on random entertainment, but there are a lot of people that actually respect their money and take care when deciding what to spend it on.

Ok, then put it another way. If they're saying $15/month is EXPENSIVE, then they still have issues, because it's NOT EXPENSIVE!

Originally posted by strangeside
Read the first sentence and wanted to vomit as well. People who can't or won't pay for a good game are sad and they are the reason these creppy f2p games are popping up like weeds everywhere....

To be fair, though, the sub-based games were getting really bad, as well, and really, it's almost been a decade since we've seen decent quality sub games like WoW, CoH, FFXI, etc.. People were shafted with supposed AAA games like SWTOR, WAR, AoC, etc., that I guess you can't really blame them for not wanting to pay for a box and fee up front. The quality difference was not there, but the convenience of not having to worry about cash shops is what I enjoyed. It is just more immersive and fun. 

Originally posted by PieRad

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by PieRad

Originally posted by Dibdabs

You could spend $100 on bank space.

$20-30 dollars on backpack space.

Another $20-30 on dragon and dragon lair spaces.

None of which are crucial, and they're things I won't be buying because I don't need them. NOTHING in the cash shop is absolutely essential to the enjoyment of playing the game.  They add convenience at best, and if people want to pay for convenience, well, at least they haven't paid for a boxed game or a sub.

Isn't there 30-day-repairhammers at $10 as well? ($10/month)

Why not just buy a box, pay the 15 bucks every month until you get bored, but have access to everything, and never worry about bank space, repair hammers, backpacks....

Or, even better, play a free to play game where you only pay for what you want, when you want it. What are you doing that you're buying 30-day repair hammers every month... of a game that's been live for less than a week?

See, making up crap with numbers is fun and all, but the reality is that the majority of people enjoying the game will spend a few dollars a month or nothing at all. Of the money they spent, they can pick and choose what they want when they want it. A player gets more storage space at levels 10 and 20.

You played the game, Pierad, correct? If so, you agree that if a person is spending money on the game during the first 20 levels, they either are enjoying the game or doing something wrong, no? If the former, who are we to decide how much someone should be allowed to spend on what they enjoy? If the latter, then is that a fault of the game or a fault of the player?

On that 15 dollars a month of yours, I think you forget that, for most MMOs, by the fourth month, you're already 80-100 dollars into the game. In the F2P model, most people that spend don't start doing so until they are several months in and want to spend money on the game.

That means that while a person *can* spend gobs and gobs of cash in DP if they want, they don't have to spend a dime until they feel they need/want to and even then they spend it on exactly what they want. Even better, if they don't play for a month or even just play lightly for a month, they probably won't spend a dime during that period, the same period where the subscription player pays his 15 dollars for the zero or minimal time he played.

To each his own, but the ForumMaths of inferring that because something exists in an item shop, one a) needs it and b) must buy it monthly is getting old.

 

I'm not personally buying 30day reparing hammers, obviously.. I don't know what you're point was with that?

The game sells it, and you might not need it to start with, you might not need it ever, but rest assured the game will be pushing you towards it.

And that is my point, I want to play the game without getting reminded that it's an online shop for pixels all the time, and that the game is just an add for the shop.

 

You know, it's a fact that F2P make more money than P2P, and the reason why is that many small purchases is way easier than a big one, it takes less to make people purchase that $5 backpack, and as soon as their cc info is saved, it's veeeery convenient to buy those bank slots as well, etc. etc. etc.

 

You're correct, and I agree with the notion that no one is forced to buy anything, and that was never the issue, the issue is getting this stuffed in your face at every turn.

 

If you have to cross a valley, the game will sell you bride, if too many people chooses to climb, they'll dig the valley deeper.

 

This is what's wrong with F2P...

 

Yes, it's nice for kids who never worked a job, they can now play all the games, but the companies never changed to F2P because it's what's best for the gamers, they changed to F2P because they can trap and milk everyone.

 

Well, that, and people don't sub to terrible games, and terrible games became the norm.

Originally posted by Razeekster

I am so glad you made this article! I am growing so sick and tired of men who play games commenting every time they see a man who is more feminine in features than what they'd like. Not every man is a muscle bound freak. It's sort of a sign to me that a lot of male gamers aren't really in touch with the world nowadays, and how insulting their comments come off to some (seriously, some of you guys on here come off as scared that you're going to be called gay or something by not insulting feminine looking men. Honestly, though you just come off as homophobic... It's like you're trying to hide something ~cough-cough~).

 

I'm personally looking forward to the day where the hero of the story is a gay/lesbian character and no one cares because it's not some huge freaking deal of life and death. I can hope right?

 

 

I found it funny, that at every restaurant, fast food place, etc., that I've worked at, everyone just acts gay jokingly. I've never really worried much about it, but when it comes to heroes in games and movies, I do find I generally prefer straight if there is anything sexual at all going on, because I can relate to it more. In the end, as long as the game is fun, though, I don't think I'd have TOO much of a problem... just as long as they don't go over the top and have a gay guy be a crossdressing, make-up wearing, skinny boy who might as well be a chick but they decided to add him in as "male" to be controversial.

As for now, though, you can always play the Dragon Age games and choose gay options, if you'd like. That seems to be the closest you'll get at the moment.

Originally posted by RoadRebel

Originally posted by Ghavrigg

Then don't say the words. It's not that hard. I don't see why you'd ever even have to say names of companies, or links to them, or whatever, unless you're actually using them or something. 

I don't remember ever seeing any goldspam in-game. Seems to be working.

I constantly WAS getting gold spam and like 5 gold spam emails per day... 

Hmm... now that you say it, I do remember getting 2 in-game mails about it, but that's all. I've never seen any in chat, at least while I was paying attention.

Originally posted by Phaserlight

That really sucks.  I've been following Oculus closely, and I'm sorry this tragedy happened.  What strikes me is that here was a pedestrian who was in no way endangering anyone else, struck by a car fleeing the police.  This is a reminder to me to be really, really careful driving, and that I never can be absolutely sure when it will be my time to go as well.

R.I.P. Scott

It's not really a reminder to be careful while driving. The guy was hit by a speeding car that was fleeing from police as he walked on a crosswalk.

If anything, it's a reminder to not let your guard down and always be cautious and observant of your surroundings to try and avoid problems, but even then, not everything is avoidable, or even able to be seen. 

Sure hope the guy that killed him gets what's coming to him.