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Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Scot
World of Tanks is a MMO? Hahahahahhaha. You made my day OP.

 

Don't give all the credit to the OP. This site, MMOFRONT, massively, reviewers all classify WoT as a MMO too.

 

While discussing the new Game List coming to mmorpg.com, Bill Murphy has already said WoT is not an MMO and that games like LoL will fall under a category called MOBA. Maybe everything isn't as rock solid as you'd like to hope, eh.

nah .. i will just modify my post to say .. most other websites like massively and mmofront, and reviewers consider WoT a MMO .. and this place (if it indeed changes) is the odd man out.

Before then, the gamelist of THIS site still agree that WoT is a MMO.

I don't mind WoT being on the site list, they just need a column to say it is a MOBA if that's what it is? Maybe we will get that column on the new forums.

Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Scot

Selling cosmetic items was a first step to the sorry state we are in now. Rather like a gateway drug it has led to gamers being addicted to the P2W cash shop that is now the norm.

In of itself cosmetic items are not an issue, but they not only made buying items normal for players, they created a signpost for gaming companies. A signpost that said "Make money here". So that's the route they went down, and now we have casino-play as the latest iteration of the cash shop brand. I say latest because if you have any sense you know there is worse to come.

P2P MMOs are nearly dead, B2P MMOs are the fall back position. But there is only one king in the world of MMOs and its name is cash shop, P2P/B2P/F2P it does not matter, cash shop is king.

And since we are talking about an entertainment service, it is the consumer that placed the crown upon its head.

No it was the gaming companies that placed the crown on the cash shop. And you seem to agree with that conclusion in your later posts on Lotro. Lotro did not go hybrid/Turbine model because the gamers wanted it, they did it to make more money. Cosmetic items were a first step in making sure they could get away with it, Lotro went from cosmetic items to P2W in one year.

 

To avoid that you need good officers who you can hand things onto if you decided to leave, so delegation is a must. But try to keep 'participation' to a minimum. This is a guild not a parliament, they don't need to vote on everything and if you try to solve issues by discussion they will never agree.

You are the guild leader, one of your responsibilities is to decide.

Quite a decent guide and good to see MMORPG still remembers there is more to MMOs than levelling.

As another poster pointed out, new players will wonder what on earth is the OP getting at? They have only ever experienced easymode tinyMMOs. You might as well be speaking a foreign language. You could try WoW, ESO or FF to give you some idea, but it is hard to get lost in those games. MMOs that seem to be designed to play on a smartphone are the norm.

Selling cosmetic items was a first step to the sorry state we are in now. Rather like a gateway drug it has led to gamers being addicted to the P2W cash shop that is now the norm.

In of itself cosmetic items are not an issue, but they not only made buying items normal for players, they created a signpost for gaming companies. A signpost that said "Make money here". So that's the route they went down, and now we have casino-play as the latest iteration of the cash shop brand. I say latest because if you have any sense you know there is worse to come.

P2P MMOs are nearly dead, B2P MMOs are the fall back position. But there is only one king in the world of MMOs and its name is cash shop, P2P/B2P/F2P it does not matter, cash shop is king.

World of Tanks is a MMO? Hahahahahhaha. You made my day OP.

They have also now sacked a load of staff, leads in games, guys who where there from the start. They had good severance packages which seemed to have included a gagging clause as they all seem to be saying this will be fine for the games at SOE/Daybreak. All of them, not one thinks it could cause issues, that's a big indicator a gagging clause was used.

Bioware have just dropped Shadowrealms (co-op rpg), this is the norm now, big titles having the rug pulled from under them. But cheap, tinyworld MMOs are still on the rise.

On this weeks MMOFTW Bill had a joke about saying previously that there was not much going on in MMO land. But in this weeks MMOFTW he talks about two games which are not MMOs. Now they told us they were going to broaden the games they covered and there is a reason for that, big title MMOs are on there way out.

Originally posted by Dullahan
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Bladestrom
The confusion is that this is a mmorpg forum not a MMO forum. Open world within the context of rpg are very different from MMO and we gave people In here mixing genre in their arguements.

re MMO (not rpg) it's pretty obvious map/action Based games need boundaries to define the are in which ths players are interacting. doesn't need 45 million posts to prove this when you rake rpg out of the picture.

I'm pretty sure this forum hasnt been a MMORPG forum in a very long time.

since I joined .. pretty much. If it is a forum only for the "real" "true" "proper" MMORPGs, i would not be here.

 

Well, in all fairness, there really hasn't been a new "true", "proper" MMORPG created in over 10 years, the genre has been dead for that long at least.

Shhh, you're not allowed to say that here.  If they make a type of game long enough calling it an mmorpg, we have to accept it as part of the family.

And treat them like family members, I don't want to sit next to uncle Shyster at Xmas who always wants to tell us about his latest casino-easymode con. Its a sure fire win apparently as you bait a game with mechanics to make players want to play and pay more and more.

Countdown to them buying an actual train to house the Crowfall team as there is that much hype.
Originally posted by aleos

 

nariusseldon.. mmorpgs are not for you. They really just aren't.

nari reminds me of a car enthusiast who loves his Volkswagen Beetle but has no interest in owning another type of car. We tell him about the splendour of an open world AAA MMO Ferrari and he cannot see it. We tell him about the sandbox utility of our Ford pick-up truck but again he just can't see the point. His Beetle gets him around town, what more does he need?

Maybe one day, one day he will realise there are better cars on the road, but I am not holding my breath. :)

 

 

Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Scot

”A well -studied psychological principle called operant conditioning helps us understand how a system of rewards can make an inherently uninteresting task appealing. In its simplest form, the principle seems obvious. If you reward a person for performing a certain behavior, he or she is more likely to repeat that behavior. The way you provide rewards matters a great deal. Imagine training your dog. After a dog has successfully learned the “sit” command, you might use a fixed schedule and provide a treat every two times the dog follows the command. Or you might provide a treat after a random number of successful “sits.” Studies have shown that the latter schedule is best for maintaining behavior. If a fixed schedule is ever broken, even accidentally, it is easily detected, and the behavior quickly ceases. A broken variable schedule isn’t immediately obvious, and the behavior continues.“

 

This drives modern casino MMOs and is soon to be with us on the forums with post voting. How wonderful.

Didn't you make a post that the site admins directly replied to and locked that said post voting wasn't going to be implemented?

Don't you also realize that this isn't just a "casino MMO" thing, but has driven your enjoyment of most everything you've enjoyed?  (Rewards aren't just item-in-inventory stuff.)

Did you change your avatar Axehilt? That's such a pain for remembering who is posting. But whatever suits I guess.

There will be positive voting on the new MMORPG forums, but not negative voting. But another poster explained how LOL positive voting was used on a site which had it as negative voting. Also there may be an "off topic" vote which if there were enough of them could bury a post. Absolutely nothing could go wrong there then. :)

I take your point on reward psychology, but I stand against such blatant manipulation by business. Even if you do not, the in your face, ultra obvious version we now have is extremely annoying. And in the past it was not tied to spending money in game, now it is. That cannot be good for gaming.

Selling of your MMO arm because you don't think it is going to be that successful down the line is a alarm call as to where this industry is headed. Expect an easymode-casino, tiny-world MMO coming from Daybreak soon.

I don't want to change "it" I just want more variety, more old school, more new school, just not the same easymode casino games for as far as the eye can see.

”A well -studied psychological principle called operant conditioning helps us understand how a system of rewards can make an inherently uninteresting task appealing. In its simplest form, the principle seems obvious. If you reward a person for performing a certain behavior, he or she is more likely to repeat that behavior. The way you provide rewards matters a great deal. Imagine training your dog. After a dog has successfully learned the “sit” command, you might use a fixed schedule and provide a treat every two times the dog follows the command. Or you might provide a treat after a random number of successful “sits.” Studies have shown that the latter schedule is best for maintaining behavior. If a fixed schedule is ever broken, even accidentally, it is easily detected, and the behavior quickly ceases. A broken variable schedule isn’t immediately obvious, and the behavior continues.“

 

This drives modern casino MMOs and is soon to be with us on the forums with post voting. How wonderful.

"Looking to what the rest of the gaming community wants" is all we get. So no.
They are teenagers and there is an endless supply of them growing up. Small and closed worlds are "bad" for MMOs but you are always going to get likes of nari who somehow thinks this is all great.
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by MadFrenchie 

I want a dungeon that gets progressively more dangerous the deeper you go, with accompanying rewards.  I want it to be awe-inspiring at the depth and complexity of the thing, not because the text bubble over the boss's head says "MadFrenchie, I'm going to smash you to bits!!"  That's not awe-inspiring to me.  Being able to get lost in a dungeon and spend a number of hours there exploring it with a group..  That's awe-inspiring.  Not the one-shot, "ooh those rocks crumbled as I went by, how awesomely scripted!" instanced versions implemented in so many MMOs.

 The argument for me stems from the fact that there are way too many singleplayer RPGs with great scripting and events revolving around the player that, no matter how much money is thrown into scripted events in an MMO, it will never compare.  Why the hell would you take a minivan to Talladega?  The vehicles there serve a different purpose, and you'll never pass the leader (or even the middle of the field).

Well if you can point me to a singleplayer game with the dungeon and boss quality of WOW, I'd be interested.  It feels like that "minivan" is leader of the pack.

It's true that if someone were to create a singleplayer RPG where that was a focus, it would be easier to produce higher quality scripted content.  But that simply isn't happening.

marvel heroes is another example. There is simply no single player RPG that allows you to play so many marvel characters. The last one is the now ancient marvel ultimate alliance, which is not as complex a RPG as MH, nor has as much content.

 

The PVE nari, how many times are we expected to do the same PvE in Marvel Heroes? Yes you can play just about every Marvel character I know of and some I have never heard of. But the same PvE, again and again and again and again. You don't need the impatience of the Hulk to find that tires very quickly.

 

Originally posted by Hulluck
Originally posted by Volgore

Looks like many users are concerned or dont want it for one or another reason.

Still i bet we'll get it in one way or another.

I changed my mind on it shortly after my first post. Honestly they should go with what they want first. Try it, it might work out. They are no doubt trying to draw the attention of more traffic with a better site. Or maybe not. If the reaction to the forums after the dust settles is that bad. One thing I know is that people really don't know what they want half the time. Opinions vary.

Ask anyone here about the definition of sandbox. 

Don't limit forum / posting functionality with it. Dark them (which they are going to do). 

The only thing that I think will really upset people is: Will their join dates be reset. There will be a flood of posts for months maybe a year if they are. Which might have been talked about already.

 

Thing is you can go over to Marvel Heroes to see what it is like. "You are not just a one hit wonder" will ping after creating your second thread. Tat like that makes you grit your teeth very soon after joining.

Advice on migrating database: there is no way to guarantee any database transfer will be 100% OK. So save any pictures particularly your avatar to ensure you have it on the new system. Maybe your signature if you insist on using one. :)

 

This thread should be in the Pub, that's where people see things. Yes this is about the site, but this is something MMORPG is doing to the site, not our suggestions for the site.

I understand that people were getting the wrong idea about 'dislike' in my thread, but a 'like' is no different from Insightful, Agree, Awesome.

No option should be there to bury posts, go with your gut Mike, you already are dubious of what's going to happen with the 'off topic' response. It seems as clear as day to me that will just explode if it goes live. You could have 'off topic' without it burying posts of course.

I notice you have not done a poll, I think MMORPG may be in denial about the fact that most posters do not want this. Remember we are not all old dinosaurs who resist change and don't understand what a good thing this will be. I use the Marvel Hero forums, I think the vast majority of those who voted 'NO' have used a site like that. We know what it involves and years ago decided we preferred the MMORPG 'no voting' system.

As you may have guessed my idea of fine tuning it would be to turn the reaction system off. Peer moderation as you have obviously realised is throwing the forums to the wind and hoping they have a good landing, I imagine that would end up causing you guys more work, not less.

You mentioned derailing of threads. Allow me to be a dinosaur here and note that you can just start your post by saying the last one was a derail or just ignoring it and getting back to the topic. I think that's more immediate than a vote. If you have any part of the system that allows us to bury posts that is a recipe for forum wars.

Clearly the moderators have bought into this system. Please have a think about the language used and what that says about where you are taking the forums.

"Not all members are created equal." Yes they are and that's how they should remain, a failr playing filed not some elitist pyramid.

"Reactions are basically a system of positive reinforcement." We are not Pavlov's dogs, so I don't think that's a good a thing as you seem to think it is.

I know some may think I am overacting, but we treasure these forums and you do seem to have bought into the idea that anything new, anything Facebook is doing, can only make the forums better. That is not the case.

Having said that, I have always found the moderators to have their heads screwed on. So I can only hope that when this comes online you will realise most of us don't want it, as the poll shows.

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