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Same advice with SWTOR will apply I guess....


Keep rapidly pressing the button you desire, until the skill goes off.


Keeps the action high too.

Originally posted by hatefulpeace
With in game plex;) Or creed in this case. The game is already free to play. I think i agree with the other guy this is a troll post. I am going to pre order, but i see no reason to do it this moment. I will around 5 days before it comes out. 

You need to buy the game and subscribe to get access to your character, at which point you can use Plex.


Not F2P.


If you lapse your "free" use of Plex, you need to subscribe another month to get access to your character to use another Plex.


Not F2P.

Originally posted by Smikis

you need to realize that vg chart doesnt include any digital preorders/sales, only retail bricks, which makes them even more useless than they were 5 years ago and even then they lacked at least 50% of  info about sales and basically had just gamestop information.


Its NA only, which is frankly pointless, Eu gaming market is bigger than NA , been proven many times +  russia isnt counted into EU market, which is huge as well, then there is SA, AUS+rest, AFrica and so on.

But most importantly, 80% of preorders for game like this will are digital, from numerous websites such as gmg and ncsoft itself

It does include trending for digital, it's in the manifesto (vague but there).


I can't say EU is any larger than the USA.  It's about equal.  If it has been proven many times over, can you link this?  With Russia, you have a point for slightly higher numbers.  SA / AUS / Africa are moot when it comes to sales.  Same with Japan actually.  Add them all together and get 10% more sales?  Hardly a dent when we're talking low sales to begin with.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I am quite sure TESO is doing quite well but i do not for one second believe that was a 200 million dollar budget.I think the most obvious reason is they were over the last few years funded by a ton of investment money like about a total of 300 million.

Keyword investment.No way are you going to figure in a 200 mil budget and think you can pay back investors and make a large profit, that would be real dumb management.IMO they actually rehashed a lot of old stuff from their already done portfolio and used many of the same concepts/coding from their prior games.I would be extremely shocked if this game cost even 100 million but maybe somehow they will work the books to make it appear like that to  manipulate stocks and further investment.

Bottom line is i feel the game will do fine but not great as you can't turn huge profits with investors money and imo incentive is a bit lazier knowing it is not all your money going into the project.

As to console sales, that can be a huge problem because the added cost of development might not see the turn over with NEW sales as by now i believe most anyone interested would have already bought the game  on PC.Trends have shown in the past that games do not gain huge influxes after launch,only FFXIV did it because it did a huge costly make over on the game.

Console sales won't be WoW levels, but I am leaning towards them being better than PC sales.  Specifically, this game was designed around a console environment, so some potential customers are holding out for that.


Also console sales are generally high for everything, even for crappy games, let alone an ES game.  Retention is a serious issue, which is where Zenimax will start kissing up to PC users again in a few months, once their short term monetary boosters are exhausted.



edit - ps - thanks for commenting.

With 6 weeks to launch, Wildstar has yet to make a spot on VGChartz (


This game needs to candidly look at itself in the mirror and go Buy to Play , at a minimum, or Free to Play.


It's a decent looking game.  Telegraphing was a stupid idea to mandate, but the whole sci-fantasy theme is very welcome.  Many people will likely play, just not for a monthly fee.


Other stuff like like instanced housing isn't really P2P content, but it is certainly suitable for F2P!


Consider the request Carbine / NCSoft.  It might save your neck with this game (and cover up bad decisions).


It is only a temporary niche issue.  It will run it's course and go away.


I expect your Niche will return soon.

Originally posted by Asariasha

Such predictions become more and more hillarious. For us as gamers, the quality of a game should be of major interest. With the gaming industry becoming mature, more and more analysts dish out their predictions. The thing is who cares? Most predictions lack the fact that MMOs are longterm projects that will create revenue over time.


Wile TESO does not cater to everyones very own likes, it caters to a certain player base that actually loves to finally being able to play a MMO again, that has in depth storylines, freedom of character development and a game that deserves to be called a RPG. The game managed to attract over 2,000,000 players in beta without Zenimax having started marketing campaigns.


While the first beta impressions and previews were mediocre to bad, the currently released reviews become better and better, stating that Zenimax quickly reacts to solving the hand full of serious bugs and rating the game somwhere around 90%. I guess that more and more players will become interested in TESO. It simply will take some time.

no they didn't.


But by all means, continue explaining the hilarity of the situation.  Quality of the game was a driving force in low sales.


Why does your post sound like an advertisement, since you made sure to include 2 million beta apps.  Hint:  put some sources in there when you speak of numbers, otherwise it's not credible.


Or just acknowledge that predictions are just that.  Predictions.  The very nature of the post you participated in.

Is this thread some kind of April Fools joke?


ESO is in no way what-so-ever relatable to EQ1 and old-school gaming.


It's a fun EZ mode game like WoW, but WoW is not comparble to EQ1, nor is ESO.

Originally posted by Kyleran
I'll wait to see the official numbers, VGCharts is more guesses and conjecture than actual facts.

Zenimax will not release dismal numbers, so be prepared to wait a couple months until console versions come out.

Originally posted by stickman1979
Originally posted by Skorgan
Best graphics, best sound, not bad fighting system - but there is no fun, Im so sorry, but im totally bored (I play since early acces and beta). spoken dialogues idea - biggest mistake ever. In my opinion, of course.

Best graphics and sound? You obviously never played Guild Wars 2 or The Secret World. Both those games are a lot sexier visually AND audio wise than Elder Scrolls Online, however TESO has epic gameplay, and i can see myself being hooked here for weeks.

Will I resubscirbe? Probably not, if I beat the game anyway. But just like The Secret World, I will renew my subscription with every new piece of content.

Yikes, GW2's soundtrack is forgettable.


I like WoW's, and SWTOR's, to either mentioned games.


I can remember WoW themes and SWTOR themes ... but GW2's? nope. no themes remembered (except the Halloween music, that was good - promote that person responsible, fire the rest).

Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by paparios
Originally posted by amber-r

The VGchartz numbers are based on 1 single days sales.


ESO came out on the 4th and those sales are listed on the 5th.


+ pre orders :)

VGChartz is not listing pre-orders. I checked on Wildstar and that's still ZERO sales. If VGchartz included pre-orders then Whildstar should have shown numbers by now...

Sorry, Wildstar does not have a significant enough of preorders to be recognized. :/


The preorder page would be the only site that would show it, if it has a high enough rating.  Searching would only inquire about units sold, which of course is ZERO since it has not released.  You would have to wait until it finally gets popular enough (or convince VGChartz to show slots 31-100, and not just the top 30).

Originally posted by amber-r

The VGchartz numbers are based on 1 single days sales.


ESO came out on the 4th and those sales are listed on the 5th.

They are to date.


Unless, of course, you think all these Super Mario Bros games sold just today also?


Dang Super Mario Bros 3 sold 17 million copies today?


ps - yeah you can type stuff in the search bar to find old sales.

It's OK.  I know you all just want to repeat what everyone else says about digital sales. But they are included.  You can read VGChartz's manifest and you can evaluate the final numbers when they were updated.


You can also observe Xfire if you are in denial. 


#23?  And SWTOR is #15,,,, call conspiracy all you wish ( .. but ESO PC sales were not so hot.


That source will never give an exact number of players but it is useful for trending.  And ESO is trending low.


Zenimax never gave numbers?  I wonder why?


All I'm saying is that the console sales will be better .. maybe?

ESO had some bad vibes from Forbes, even before launch, with a whopping $200 million budget:


Predicting the Biggest Video Game Disaster of 2014: The Elder Scrolls Online

January 02, 2014



I’m not sure if it’s arrogance, the idea that people love the Elder Scrolls so much they’ll pay $60 for a box copy and $180 a year to play TESO, but it’s bad business sense at the very least. It’s not only subscription fees that are becoming out of fashion, but the very concept of huge budget, AAA MMOs in general. I thought SWTOR was the final object lesson any other studio would need to scale back whatever future plans they had for their own expensive MMO attempts, but it appears that lesson didn’t sink in for TESO, and they may end up paying the price for it.


OK, ESO didn't do so well with PC sales, so Forbes is right.

(numbers in millions)

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher
North America
Rest of World
1 The Elder Scrolls Online PC 2014 Action Bethesda Softworks
2 The Elder Scrolls Online OSX 2014 Action Bethesda Softworks
3 The Elder Scrolls Online XOne 2014 Action Bethesda Softworks
4 The Elder Scrolls Online PS4 2014 Action Bethesda Softworks
What about console pre-orders? (
Pos Game Weeks to Launch Weekly Change Total

Gamewise Wiki for The Elder Scrolls Online (XOne)

The Elder Scrolls Online (XOne)
Bethesda Softworks, Action
12 3,139 70,117

Gamewise Wiki for The Elder Scrolls Online (PS4)

The Elder Scrolls Online (PS4)
Bethesda Softworks, Action
12 2,668 60,936
As VGChartz has shown, and from their by-kaws, preorders do only include North American sales, but their numbers also reflect digitial sales now.  So double those preorder numbers and you get a round-about number for global sales. (EU sales are roughly equvalent to USA.)
Call them estimates, but they seem to be pretty much spot on.  (ex 270k sales or 280k sales .. who cares, it's not 4 million).
ESO must survive with console sales, from here forward, IMO.  Will they?
Originally posted by greatskys
 A friend who I'm playing TESO with has just had her account suspended . What happened is she fell through the game world got kicked out of the server and had a message come up as error code 307 . Now shes tried to log into her account only to find its been suspended . Shes sending ticket but has any one else had a similar problem . Checking the forums it seems a lot of people have had account suspensions for no apparent reason . 

You do realize that falling through the world if a priveledge, not a right.   Obviously they let you fall through the world, as a gift, not as a spectacle.

Zenimax reads customers requests.  They will obviously handle this situation.  Or you go to badmouth them on these forums, when obviously they are are not responsible for the software they wrote.


/peace  Just funnying with you, hope it works out.

First you'll address situations you cannot fix ,, then you fix them.


Deny them. With passion.  Look to other games that had similar defects and say "other games had them".


It's a funny thing now ...  before devs would deny accusations that "this" game is an EQ clone.  Now they just say it's equal to < previous game >.


Example : ESO to EQ1 ... are people crazy even comparing the two?


[mod edit]  ESO stinks, yet I like EQ1.  I like EQ1 over ESO anyday this week.  Or next month, next year.




Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by Karteli

Which means people somewhere have decremented the score to make that possible.  The topic of this thread, about TESO being tossed from the #1 spot and all. [there was 140 voters last week, and 140 voters this week]

It has 180 votes now.  If it had 140 votes last week, it added 40 more after the Reddit thread about it today.  If anything what happened was someone was boasting on Reddit about how it was #1.  A couple of people that didn't like that voted with 1s and it went down due to the overall low sample size.

The most amusing part of all this is how the scores keep changing even during this discussion.

I find that amusing too. down, then, up, down, now up some more....




perhaps a more accurate rating will arise from this.

Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by BeansnBread

You told him he was making the game look good. What kind of a ridiculous comment is that? He is not making the game look good. I mean, you've spent your entire time trying to accuse people of making the game look bad. Now you are blatantly saying they are actually making it look good.


I just don't know what to say about this.

When you have pick on issues as trivial as the score moving 0.06 it means there is not a lot of other arguments to be made.  It is just silly and amusing at the same time.  Threads like this make the game look good, because people are probably scratching their heads over silly posts like this which have no substance or valid complaints.

Actually it moved by 0.2, enough to drop to #4 .. from 8.75 to 8.5.


Which means people somewhere have decremented the score to make that possible.  The topic of this thread, about TESO being tossed from the #1 spot and all. [there was 140 voters last week, and 140 voters this week]

Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by BeansnBread

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

My ultimate point is, even if it went to 9.5 or 8.0, it means nothing.  Reviews in general mean nothing.  Warhammer Online was one of the highest rated MMORPGs based on Metacritic and it is shutdown.  Making an argument over something as trivial as this actually makes ESO look good and the people that hate on it look bad.

There are actual legitimate issues with the game you guys can talk about.  But this is just grasping at the straws.


< Please Stay on Topic >


Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by BeansnBread

Tell that to the person that presented the argument.

< SNIP >

ESO had a drop in favorability amongst  Can we agree there?

No...because you act like any other game had a different drop.

Deflection and misdirection..


It's interesting.

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