I think the main problem is the disconnect between how they portray the game vs the actual gameplay. Of course they want to show an exciting play experience but that's not the gameplay new users will find themselves in. Some realistic videos showing what the gameplay really is all about and how it is fun and unique would help. Splice some interviews during the giant battle scenes with players giving short descriptions of what their particular role is and what they are actually doing. One of the interviews should be a relatively new player stating how they are contributing even though they arent uber long time players. Watching the intro videos and then entering space for the first time can conjures a big WTF. I played for 3 months 2 years ago so maybe they already did this.

Also, it wouldn't hurt if your first mission was thinning the local space boar population and collecting some tusks in the process. ;)

Originally posted by delete5230

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by delete5230
Well people are getting hacked

We are in 2013, not 2009

Got hacked about 5x in a one years time back around 2011, called them, chnged passwards..

Gave up because the GAME WENT TO CRAP ANYWAY !

9 million my butt hole, repeat after me " Marketing "

  Not sure I'd mention that to anybody. You get hacked when you do stupid things like respond to fake e-mails or practice crappy internet security or type your password in places it doesn't belong. Played for six years and never had my account compromised once. Five times in one year is just irresponsible. 

It doesnt sound like the OP has ever played another MMO before. He claims to have gone in with no expectations then is completely outraged when it doesnt change up the questing system of almost every mmo that has come before. What, quest givers standing in place and not going about their day like in Skyrim? This game sucks! The trees and grass move simutaneously and leaves and branches are not individually rendered? Most mmo's that people have played for years and continue to enjoy do not feature this and for most it wouldnt be a rage quit beta deal breaker, but this game sucks! The tutorial is too easy and has no challenge whatsoever, hell, they might as well be walking me through it, this game sucks!

   I've only played to level 8 so far and I am hoping that the dificulty gets jacked up quite a bit for release. The combat has been easy and once again, hopefully it gets tweaked to offer more of a challenge and strategy. What i'm not going to do is go off on the game, blasting it in beta, because I went in with the expectations that it was going to be the next great modern MMO. Your attempt to have no expectations is an illusion even to yourself.

Originally posted by phantomghost

EQ1 is much better.  It will never be the same however any more.  Early on the game now has a lack of players so you will have to solo early on, but they added mercs you can hire to help you level.  Supposedly, higher levels there are groups/raiding.

 

    Your post tried to put two cookies from www.imperium-uw.com onto my computer, wtf?

Originally posted by xalvi

*Make a big revamp to the combat mechanics (meaning make it as fast as gw2 combat). To me thats the biggest thing, combat is booooooring.

*take out that insane grind to get max level.

* take out pay2win from game.

 

Then i would play LOTR again, with a sub.

  More like take out pay2win from your post. Doesn't sound like you've been in the Lotro Store before. What items are you referring to?

    Hopefully this can save much time and heartache for those planning on jumping ship from there current MMO. Turn back NOW!

   But seriously, EVE is a pretty niche MMO that would never grab the kind of player numbers that a game like WoW  would generate no matter how more user friendly/easier they made it. The game has a dedicated fan base that has enabled CCP to develop it for almost ten years all while making a profit. I only played the game for a few months but I hope they never listen to you and alienate that base in exchange for appealing to the masses.

     I find an all-hybrid system reduces the pride/feeling of accomplishment that I get from being really good at a particular role. I like defining myself and striving to be the best at that particular nitch, but while I do prefer having individual roles in a group setting, the classes themselves should be able to fill multiple roles based on gear,spec,etc. If a player's class can be specced for dps or healing then the developer needs to make sure that both/all roles are totally viable for that class and its up to the player to choose which he wants to pursue at any given time. This way the roles are there for you to swap between, but you need to put in the effort to gear for and learn how to play that role. Maybe "skill trees" could also be versatile enough to allow a hybrid spec for soloing.

 In short, having defined group roles is good but each class needs the flexability to define itself as one of those roles depending on the players choice. Some classes may have two options while others may have three or more if you include hybrid specs.

   What will eventually win the day is neither of the two poll options. It will be something wonderful and grand that you never imagined until Toyota entered the MMO business.

P.S. I'm from the future.

Originally posted by Shadanwolf
They have been talking about the crafting re-do for 2 years and its still not done.I'm waiting until they fix what should have been done before launch. I wish  the company realized just how important it is to a segment of players.

   It will release alongside the Anarchy Online engine upgrade, 2018. That upgrade has been talked about for what, 6 or 7 years now? I would really love to play AO again, but while I don't consider myself a graphics whore the current engine is just unbearable for me. For such an old game with tons of content, an engine overhaul with b2p rerelease could make it new all over again with a brand new fan base. AoC doesnt need nearly as much work to make it comparable to most any new or upcoming game, its almost there already.

Originally posted by Roxtarr

The main issue that I had was that the permanent mount was removed (and now returned) to Elite purchasers. 

The Elite Edition was a limited time opportunity for early adopters to invest in a game they couldn't even play yet.  The reward should be high for these people.  The Deluxe Eidition is currently for sale and said rewards are clearly stated.  There is no room to complain about the price difference because of the circumstances surrounding the sale.  Elite was very early for those who wanted to invest early.  There was a hard cut-off point when they would no longer be available.  The benefits were lucrative to get the attention of players and get them to pay.  These early adopters have and should be rewarded.

    That sums it up pretty well I think. It is interesting how the two factions have formed. Snail should never have given anything extra to the elites then what was originally included in their deal. I'm guessing they wanted to apologize for the mount snafu and didnt realize it would piss off the deluxers. They seem to be making knee jerk decisions and muddling the whole situation up in the process. They should add to the deluxe package whatever extra they just added to the elite package and leave it at that, everyone gets what they paid for plus a little bonus. Any other problems between the elites and deluxers should be settled in pvp. :)

   It sounds like Age of Conan will be right up your alley. It's mature, gritty and while there are caster classes, the world has a much more realistic visceral feel to it. The graphics are great, the combat is more in-depth and challenging then most and they just lifted the class restrictions on their f2p model, which actually lets you play quite a lot without spending a dime. It's free so you have nothing to lose.

http://www.ageofconan.com/

   Just noticed that as I type this there is an AoC ad on the sidebar so it must be fate...

Originally posted by postpwn
I'd tell myself that no MMO is worth $50 up front.

      Considering most MMO's give more play time in the included 30 days then most single player games, do you just refuse to spend money on video games in general? Are MMO's not a real product deservering of your money? Even ten years ago games were only about $10 cheaper then they are now, have you ever purchased a video game?

   I've been playing video games for decades and I do spend money on great games that will give me 20-25 hours of solid entertainment and within a month I will have finished them and moved on to another game. I don't feel that I to have to be able to play it for months at the inital asking price in order for it to be worth it. Your missing out on some great games if you require months of playtime to make a purchase.

    Where does this sense of entitlement come from for MMO games? As if they arent a REAL game and you deserve to play them free of charge. FYI, they cost more to make then most single players yet you somehow think they should be free for you?  

  Title says it all. Not sure how long it will last. Still active as of 1500 EST 11/26/12.

http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Pandaria-Collectors-Edition-Mac/dp/B0050SZDAO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353959989&sr=8-2&keywords=mists+of+pandaria

Edit: forgot link

Originally posted by Trudge34

"When are we ever going to get wise developers to make MMORPG's Free 2 Play, and Free to Enjoy instead of always just thinking about PROFIT???"

Going out on a limb here but I would assume that it would be when they're free to make and maintain.

   Perfect answer. I'll never understand this sense of entitlement people feel toward a F2P game. As if they deserve a complete and full gaming experience without ever spending a dime. They basically want gaming welfare. My problem is when a f2p is more expensive then a single purchase/$15 a month mmo to bring it up to the same basic standards. Of course in that case I just don't play it. I've never dealt with PWI but from what I've read it's always sounded like that was a large problem for their games. More expensive in the long run then if you just payed the traditional model. Is that true?