Thank you all for your help, i'll be checking out those games.

This may sound odd, but i'm wondering if there is a game with camping like pre-nge swg had with the scout skills, i had a blast setting up camps and having ppl come in and chill, anywho any other mmo out there have this in game?

Thanks

Well if your wife almost left you, id say take a long break from playing mmo's for awhile.

Because we already have a crap star wars mmo,  dont see the need for another.

Its really bad when they give out keys and you have to wait 2 days for the download link to work, then wait 4-5 hours to download it, then  its all up and running, the server is down. Hope they get it all worked out soon.

I would also like to try the game out if anyone has a trial key, thank you

You should have asked why they are being lazy and only having 2 factions.

Originally posted by bstripp

Wow.

It's pretty amazing to read both expectations and comparisons from people in this board.  Sure, I can understand being mad about your game changing.  Anytime that happens it stinks.  

However, to expect or even think that a company like Bioware, known for telling great stories, is going to recreate an already failed sandbox game is pretty ludicrous.  Bioware makes great SP games, they are known for cutscene driven stories with decent writing and usually a pretty cinematic experience.  While anything is possible, to expect a company to jump out of it's expertise is really pretty silly. 

Saying that it's a WoW clone is also pretty uninformed.  If you've played any of their titles, please point out any one of them that was a gear based grind fest.  That's not what they do.  The game will be a cinematic based game and I would be willing to bet that levels and gear play substantially lesser roles.  Think about Mass Effect, Jade Empire, or any of their titles.  Sure you had progression, but it was story based progression as much as character based progression.  Frankly, if you are going to lump this in with WoW, you might as well label pre-CU/NGE SWG as a WoW clone as well.

For better or worse it is unlikely anyone is going to make pre CU/NGE SWG again.  It failed the first time around for varrious reasons; the developers, Sony, customers demands to be Jedi, customers leaving for more polished titles, etc.  Why would anyone want to put it back on the market again?  They were shedding subs when they made changes to address all these issues in the first place, going back to that state is not going to happen.  Now they likely bothched their changes, which made them lose more people, but the changes happened beacuse they were losing subs in the first place.

What you have to hope for, is that someone will want to make another Sandbox title for you.  It'll likely happen at some point, but this is not that point, nor should it be.  Frankly I'll be interested to see how their version of the MMO goes down.  If they can manage to make an MMO with the SP experience they deliver in their other titles, they'll have created something very unique in the industry.  As to whether people will want it, that's another story.

Then they should stick to SP games and let another dev team/ company , with a broad vision of MMO's, make this one, we dont need another quest based mmo.They can say "Story Driven" all they want, but we all know that story = quest's out the ass.

Originally posted by Korusus

Originally posted by JT1228

Originally posted by Korusus

Originally posted by JT1228

I for one love KotoR and so far I'm not happy with the direction this game is going, I know its still early, but atm it looks like WoW with lightsabers. I wont be holding my breath, but I was really hoping for something better.

Like what exactly?  What could BioWare do differently that would make it not "WoW with lightsabers" as you call it and still be true to their design philosophy that they've adhered to since the days of Baldur's Gate and not simply be SWG2?

 

Easy, make it open ended. You start with a base of skills and the rest is up to you. I'm so sick and tired of MMO's forcing you to play a certain way, why is it so hard to make an mmo without the mass amounts of quest's? Guess 5 years of EvE and 2 years of pre-NGE SWG has me set in my ways.

All i'm saying, I pay to play your game, let me play it my way.

 

Not easy.  You broke the "true to their design philosophy" part.  Why would you expect an open-ended world from a developer that doesn't do open-ended worlds?  You don't go to Blizzard expecting them to design EvE do you?  Why would you go to BioWare expecting them to design EvE either (a game I find incredibly boring and shallow, but that's neither here nor there)?

Ok I never said I wanted another EvE game, so please dont put words in my mouth, I said I wanted an OPEN WORLD. I guess my way of thinking is, we already have one SW MMO that doesnt let you play your own way, why do we need 2? i guess I wont be happy unless they make it an open world, so I'll just wait and see.

Originally posted by Korusus

Originally posted by JT1228

I for one love KotoR and so far I'm not happy with the direction this game is going, I know its still early, but atm it looks like WoW with lightsabers. I wont be holding my breath, but I was really hoping for something better.

Like what exactly?  What could BioWare do differently that would make it not "WoW with lightsabers" as you call it and still be true to their design philosophy that they've adhered to since the days of Baldur's Gate and not simply be SWG2?

Easy, make it open ended. You start with a base of skills and the rest is up to you. I'm so sick and tired of MMO's forcing you to play a certain way, why is it so hard to make an mmo without the mass amounts of quest's? Guess 5 years of EvE and 2 years of pre-NGE SWG has me set in my ways.

All i'm saying, I pay to play your game, let me play it my way.

I for one love KotoR and so far I'm not happy with the direction this game is going, I know its still early, but atm it looks like WoW with lightsabers. I wont be holding my breath, but I was really hoping for something better.

Because even SOE could have done it better.....

I'm playing on a P4 3.0 1.5gig ram and a 512mb 7600 nvidia and I have no problems on balanced setting, but I lower it to framerate for rvr, still without any trouble.

Yeah, cuase we all know NO other MMO's have downtime at all.

This is what I dont get with people who bitch about "space" not being "alive" in eve, graphics wise,  ITS SPACE people, next time when its a clear night, look up, Lots going on up there eh? Give me a break.

Congrats on getting everyone on the server to join your guild.

I'm also interested in giving Vanguard a go, plz send a buddy key to

Vectren1228@gmail.com

Thank you much.

Originally posted by 0over0

Originally posted by JT1228

An MMO for kids, thats great. Yet another scape-goat for lazy parents who dont want to spend time with their kids, but look for someone/somthing to blame when they( the kids) grow up to be anti-social and live in the basement til they turn 50.

just my opinion.

Yeah, just like Toontown, right? Or are you saying you actually believe that is the end result for people who play MMOs? Believe it or not, lots of games are actually designed for kids--go figure.

Not at all, Just asking what happend to go OUTSIDE and play with your friends? At that age, imo, computer gaming is the last thing a kid should be doing.

Anyone else tired of "leveling"? I know I am, why not use a skill system like the old SWG?  You learn a skill, and the more you use it, the more "moves/abilities" it unlocks.That would fit so much better with the setting. I really like the game, but having to level kinda ruins it for me, back to EVE Online.

Btw, this is not a flame, just an opinion, and Yes, I have played Potbs.

An MMO for kids, thats great. Yet another scape-goat for lazy parents who dont want to spend time with their kids, but look for someone/somthing to blame when they( the kids) grow up to be anti-social and live in the basement til they turn 50.

just my opinion.