Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by LeKinK

Sarah Palin: We got to stand with our North Korea ally!

 

lol

 Lighten up.  It was a simple slip of the mind.  I'm sure she knows which country is the communist one.  I love how the left has to point out every little slip that the people they hate make.

I actually saw that on a freakin ticker on NBC in the morning.  Seriously, thats newsworthy?  Where was Obama's 57 states comment, hehe.  Guess he's stupid too.  How can a president possibly confuse the number of states.  52 could be a slip, but 57?  I thought this guy is a Harvard grad=)  Highlighting obvious brain farts and using that as a lack of intelligence is moronic.  Heck, the LEFT made a living off of it for 8 years with Bush though.   People do need to lighten up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3btnM0idk

 LOL

if General MacArthur had got what he wanted during the Korean war, we wouldnt be having these problems today

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Jetrpg

looking at the problem currently, what have corps done that needs fixing?

Is there a problem currently?
 

What are the unintended effects of Net neutrality policy?

Is there a point in expanding network and system speeds if you must provide that service to everyone at the same time?

No bandwidth caps? Think about it would equal access to content in sense mean equal bandwidth caps? For joes mmo he pays a few hundred a month wow pays hundreds of thousands a month. But bow they should have the same speed/bandwidth?

If such a rule was in place 20 years ago would today's interest speeds even exists? (Do those paying, rich people encourage development across the board?)

Also there are a few groups happy about net neutrality that are businesses. Yahoo, Google, YouTube, netflix, etc. Why?

Well because they would have to pay for access and servers, but not high prices to get faster service/ more bandwidth to stream HD content., etc. This shift the cost to everyone purchasing even basic access (IE YOU).

Lets look at some of the language.

“broadband service provider” is defined as a  “a person or entity that controls, operates, or resells and controls any facility used to provide broadband service to the public, whether provided for a fee or for free.” in the 2006 attempt to regulate/legislate

This definition includes hospitals, MikkiDs, etc. And thus FCC would have regulation over their provision of access.

The arguments about poor joe in his basement is a good point.

What about poor joe in his basement starting a new ISP? He must provide equal access to all of his consumers, he cannot take big check to help him get rolling and undercutting the monster ISP out there, because there is no reason for a big check.

Such events will occur as if these law pass those still large companies, will lobby and make sure other companies cannot threatening their profit margin.
 

To accomplish these goals NN, the gov. would have to increase monitoring of the internet, costing more and increasing the chances of making questionable practices on it involve police action.

 

The real net neutrality alright exists !!!!!

The Communications Act of 1934 (Title 1) in 2005 us courts found this applies and that providers may not pursue unfair business practices. This and anti trust and unfair competition laws already have this covered (IE if corp A stomps out access to corp B products, or joes a courts gonna make them stop and then pay.).

Furthermore, its never happened in the US. And only twice in the western-world (both in Canada).

 

Now if i could get someone to argue agianst it with examples/ reason id also respond.

 

So it doesn't work like your description AT ALL. Right now WoW pays hundreds of thousands of dollars a month for BANDWIDTH.

I pay 6.95 a month for my webesite, because I don't use as much bandwidth as WoW, and I pay for the bandwidth I need, the MBPS, which is very low.

What they ISPS want to change, is that WoW will still pay hundreds of thousands fo dollars for their BANDWIDTH, and I will still pay 6.95 a month for my bandwidth.

But ON TOP OF THAT there will be a priority fee. My site will load slower than the WoW site, if I don't pay the priority fee, even though I don't need more bandwidth, or use as much bandwidth as WoW.

It will load slower, not because I couldn't afford the bandwidth, but because the highest bidder gets the top priority.

No one is saying I should be able to purchase teh SAME AMOUNT of Bandwidth as WoW for 6.95 a month.

We're saying the Bandwidth I get, should work liek the Bandwidth WoW gets, even though I get a lot less.

That's net neutrality.

Here's an example, with, and without net neutrality.

With net neutrality.

I buy MBPS, bandwidth, and start a website. The AMOUNT of bandwidth I purchase can handle say, 5K hits a day on my website, if I have lots of pictures and stuff like that. It costs me 6.95 a month.

WoW expects a thousand times more traffic than me on their website. So they purchase a thousand times more BANDWIDTH. They can handle 5 MILLION hits a day. It costs them 10K a moth for all this BANDWIDTH.

One person comes to my website, and looks at a pictures. It loads in 5 seconds.

One person comes to the WoW website and looks at a picture. It loads in 5 seconds.

But if a MILLION people come to my website, it will crash, because I don't have the same BANDWIDTH as WoW. If I want the same bandwidth as WoW, I will have to pay 10K a month, like they do.

That is the way the Net works NOW, that is what Net Neutrality KEEPS in place.

Ok, without net neutrality, what teh ISPS want to do going forward, but HAVE NOT DONE YET.

Everything above applies. Same thing about WoW can handle a MILLION hits, I can handle only 5K because I bought less BANDWIDTH.

BUT, on top of that, now when one person goes to my site and looks at a picture, it takes 30 seconds to load. When they go to WoW it takes 5 seconds to load a picture.

Why? We both have the BANDWIDTH to handle one person, what's the difference?

The difference is WoW paid the ISP to be faster than me. That's it.

Now, what if I want to criticize WoW, and do that with a screen shot? Who's going to wait 30 seconds for it to load?

Nobody.

So, the "Neutral" part doesn't mean I get as much bandwidth as WoW for only 6.95. It means my one visitor can load a picture on my website, as fast as one visitor can load a picture on a WoW website. I'ts "neutral" in that everyone can serve a picture to a visitor the same, if they purchase bandwidth.

But, if WoW purchases MORE bandwidth, they can handle MORE visitors than me.

But if I get lots of visitors, I can advertise, and get more bandwidth.

But how would I ever get more visitors in the first place, if it takes 30 seconds to load one picture because I couldnt' outbid WoW for the priority?

 

 

 that might be what they are wanting to do with this stuff.. but i dont trust the goverment in issues like this.. it might start off with the bandwidth fairness thing, but whats to stop them from going farther and regulate what we can and cant look at

his music is trash and so is he

no paticular order

Star Wars

Total Recall

The Road Warrior- i guess you could call this sci fi

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

You got two choices.

1. Corporations and big money decide what you see on the internet. If you pay a large fee, then people can come to your website and it will be blazing fast. If you don't pay the fee, then your website goes to the bottom of the pile, and maybe it will load in a few days.

Fox News or MSNBC will load up right away, they have the money to pay the fees. Joe's blog? click on the link and go eat breakfast, come back and see if it's loaded, unless Joe can pay the fee.

2. Net Neutrality, which means Joe and Fox News, MSNBC are on the same footing. There pages load up just as fast, even though Joe is just a guy that decided to put up a web page.

Yes, government decides if Joe and Fox, MSNBC, and the ISPs that connect them are playing by the rules, so there is a downside.

Take your pick.

1 or 2.

I choose Net Neutrality. I think Joe should be equal to MSNBC and Fox on the internet. Some people want to hand the net to the corporations.

I don't think that's a good idea. If you only want to go to corporate websites, you'll be fine, but I dont' just want to go to corporate websites.

 goverment shouldnt have no say in the internet at all

is everybody ready for the upcoming police state

i actually wouldnt mind to see a Elder Scrolls MMO because theres so much they could do if they did it right..  but only if they continue making the single player games as well..

looks pretty cool.. is it like a full length film or what?

that was weird

no cause nothing is gonna happen

Originally posted by baff

Banks are owned by shareholders, not chairmen.

These are publicly listed companies you are discussing. They are owned by pensioners across the planet, and no longer by the Jews who founded them.

 the people who are at the head of these banks are jewish people.. what part do you not understand? no chinese people what so ever

Originally posted by baff

Are Chinese people Jewish then?

 

The days when the Jews owned all the banks are long done old man. Centuries past.

theres alot of people saying south korea fired first and this was a false flag attack and they wouldnt be suprised to see a US/NK war break out. its already been said Obama needs something big to happen to save his presidency like a war or terrorist attack. just sayin

Originally posted by Battlekruse

North Korea is one of the few nations that can engage in a total war with the United States

Today few nations have military assets strong enough to challenge the US military. Russia, though weakened by the collapse of the Soviet Union, has enough assets to face up to the US. China, somewhat weaker than Russia, too, has strong military that can challenge the US. However, both Russia and China lack the political will to face down the US.

North Korea has not only the military power but also the political will to wage total war against the United States.

North Korea has also  made it clear that it will strike all US targets with all means.

Do not underestimate the power North Korea's military capability

 NK cant even feed its people.. how are they gonna sustain a full blown war with the United States.

TES as a MMO is a terrible idea. please no

i usually watch football

sorry if this is stupid but who is Brad Mcquaid and why is he hated?

some news

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/113/1136356p1.html

you could blame obama since he chose to retain Ben Bernnke as the chairman of the federal reserve.. the guy has no idea what he is doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k