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Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by Laughing-man


oh really?

How big is their budget?

I'm just curious because they never announced how much ESO cost to make so... I'm wondering how you got this insider information, and what it might be.


Hardly "insider information"

Sure it's a "rumor" and you could dispute the exact figure but I'm sure the ballpark is right. It wasn't a cheap game to make.


Did you not see how they responded to that by essentially making fun of it?

You are waaaay out of the loop.

They didn't even spend REMOTELY 200 million.  That is a completely fake number, and you really shouldn't continue to spread it.  :-(


Edit:  My article also states that they have never released ANY actual data on how much it had cost to produce.  Hence my certainty in the fact that you were incorrect.

They never responded.


The debunk was a joke, not perpetrated by ZOS.  ZOS nor Bethesda ever reacted to the rumor.


But let's do some quick math.  The game has been in development since 2007, so this is year 7.  There are 250 devs at least.  At 50k a year (extreme low end salary for a AAA game dev, even the lowest on the totem pole would like be paid more), not even factoring health, taxes and benefits. 

That right there is 87.5 million.


Then let's start factoring in office leasing, equipment fees, server costs, software licensing, catering, R&D, marketing, voice-over talent, studio time, legal fees, Christmas bonuses and let's not forget, the entire setting up of a brand new company.


Now 200 million doesn't seem too farfetched, now does it?

Thanks for this, great list.
Originally posted by Hairysun
Originally posted by MikeB
Originally posted by Warjin
Originally posted by MikeB
No. Not that I have seen.

I didnt think so, seeing as its a ES game, one more question if you dont mind?


Can you move the compus from the top of your screen to another location?

I never was a fan of having parts of UI blocking the top part of my screen other then maybe the enemies health bar/

Not by default. Maybe mods?

To add, ESO probably has the most minimalist UI in an MMO I've ever seen. I don't think things being 'blocked' will be an issue.

Hmmmm...I see you have decided to man the guns this evening Mike.


My understanding it the UI is written in LUA which is an open scripting language.  Mods for the UI are going to be numerous once the modders get to work.


I believe there will be some LUA mods ready for launch since the LUA system has been in beta also for at least 6 months now.

They're pretty spot-on IMO.
Originally posted by Hairysun


Alrighty then ..... I did learn that that thing was called an Ouroborus though.


Soooo ..... I thank you for that.



Oh you are so welcome.

...Human Centipede, except with a Dragon, a Lion and an Eagle.


Visual Aid:


Anybody else get that vibe or is it just me?

[mod edit]
Originally posted by rodarin

I have read a few of these from various websites. The common theme...bugs. Yeah I knows its still technically a beta. But really? less than 2 months from release in the big reveal for the press all but 1 or 2 of the beta experiences I read experienced 'game-breaking' bugs. You would think they would make sure these guys were playing on a build where stuff was stable. If they dont have such a build that is astonishing.

If this were a complete NDA drop this could be discussed a little more but since it isnt just knowing that these bugs exist is a bad sign for a lot of people.


Like I always say  bugs are bugs but not fixing bugs is a major concern.


But basically none of these things have revealed anything most people didnt know. Sort of a bone I think for these websites that help promote and hype them. 


People will gain a lot more on their own this weekend than these things will. Hopefully people go in and pay attention to what they see and then use it as a comparison going forward.


But it was refreshing to see that I didnt see any of these articles call his the best game they ever saw, which is really what I was expecting from most of them.

It's TES, where BUGS are FEATURES!

Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
Originally posted by Entinerint
Except that in TES cross-breaded birth takes 99% of the genetics from the mother.


So, I guess a Dunmer really could hatch an egg.

If a Dunmer male mated with an Argonian female then yes she would hatch an egg and it would by all appearances be an Argonian offspring.

Except that in TES cross-breaded birth takes 99% of the genetics from the mother.
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by inemosz

It seems that this is the rumoured "NDA lift":

"New ESO hands-on impressions are coming! Recently, members of the press participated in the ESO beta and they’ll be sharing their impressions of the beta with you starting tomorrow morning. Check your favorite gaming news sites starting at 10:00 AM EST for hands-on impressions, screenshots, and video. 

Testers: please remember that the contents of the beta are still protected by the Non-Disclosure Agreement. You aren’t permitted to share your own impressions or media just yet!"


Does it matter?

Like I said in my earlier thread on this, I'm having a hard time imagining how this will work in practice: the press will give descriptions of details and systems based on their game play. Then there will be a comment section following each article where the only people who have first hand knowledge of what the press was going on about -- all 2 million of us -- can't comment intelligently on their impressions? yeah...right.


Sounds like the biggest NDA-breaking bait in the history of game sites.

Well once something becomes public knowledge, can't we discuss it openly?

Originally posted by IDontThinkSoNo
My Imperial Pre-order helping the flow of your neck beard tears make's it all so much more delicious.

I know, the QQ has been so hilarious and awesome since they announced the pre-order.  YUM.

Without a doubt, yes.  I'll be playing it regardless.
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by kitarad

Do you know I was proud to be Horde and I enjoyed it when WoW was vanilla. That was pride. "For the HORDE!"

These days few games have it may be SWTOR you still hear it in the conversations but a lot of games go like GW 2 no real pride being a race or faction.

Look to yourself for the answer.


ZOS is simply allowing more player freedom. You can still play a core race. You can still feel pride for your alliance. You can still feel pride for the alliance you chose even if not a core race. If you feel you need hard coded locks then role play is a foreign concept to you.


This is the key difference I see between players who come from an rpg background and those from modern mmos and other games. The reason for choosing your alliance determines your pride. If it is because you want different racial bonuses or looks over lore and immersion then the fault is with you.

Tamanous you are a smart, rational person and I very much agree with this sentiment.

As soon as they make their money back and create a profit buffer, this game with go F2P.  I guarantee they have already planned it out.

Hey, listen!


Races =/= Factions!


Or there would be....10 FACTIONS!


Get it through your thick skulls!

LOL that shit is on Change.ORG.


DON'T WORRY GUYS!  We'll get OBAMA to make sure ESO is DAOC 2 for us!!!


So hilarious and lame I swear all the QQ is just too amazing.  Thank you Zeni!


Originally posted by CazNeerg
Heh, 22 supporters.  Look at all the outrage!


Yeah that is one HELL of a vocal MINORITY.

Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by JJ82

Also, don't defend Firor even IF you like his design ideas because they are based on him thinking you are not intelligent. Even during the making of DaoC he stated that races must be kept separate in factions so PLAYERS would not become confused as to who the enemy is.

If you understand at all how DAOC's faction combat works, then you'd know this is a very true statement, and has nothing to do with intelligence.

The identification process when engaging a factional enemy goes something like this (remember, both enemy groups are red to the player).

First, what race are they, oh, if Firbolg, Celt, Lurkeen,  etc, Hib's incoming, if Dwarf, Troll, Kobold, Mids incoming.

Recall, in DAOC each realm has strength and weakness, not all classes are the same, nor are the skills distributed in the same proportion, so generally speaking Hib groups will tend to heavily be caster focused, while Mids are likely to be Tank train focused. (Albs fall somewhere in the middle, which is why they actually are tougher to play at times)

Now that you know the race, recall that each race is limited to what classes they might be.  So that Hib Firbolg you see coming, is he a sword and board tank, two handed tank, or really a healing or speeder class in disguise.  This is important, because order of engagement has the group neutralizing the crowd controllers, healers, speeders, followed by hybrid casters, strong DPS and last but not least, tanking classes.

You can sometimes further discern what class you're facing if you view what they are wearing, but on some occasions people will wear different armor or weapons to mislead folks in this identification.

How quickly and accurately a group triage's their opponents and then faces off appropriately is what DAOC's faction based combat is all about, especially at the 8 man level.

Truthfully,  in ESO if races can be any faction, and people can train most any skill (so all are hybrids) I'm not so sure this game's faction based combat will really be all that much like DAOC after, seems more like GW2.

Actually, removing all factions and turning it to be more like  Mordred would be my preference, that's where I spent most of my time in DAOC, but that is clearly a niche preference that likely will never happen.





Proof you have not played ESO beta PvP.


How many times do people need to be told that ESO =/= DAOC 2?  There are no Lurikeen or trolls that stick out like sore thumbs. 


There are only two races with distinguishing features.  Khajiit and Argonian have tails.  Other than that, when armored up, everyone looks the same.  Especially since everyone can wear cross-cultural armor.


This is a moot point when talking about TES and I guess us DAOC nerds will have to improvise, adapt and overcome or GTFO and wait for Camelot Unchained which I'm sure will perfectly replicate that stale, decade-old design for all 250,000 of us.  I for one, have matured since the heady days of 2003 and need more to my PvP and to my games than what DAOC provided.

Compared to other CEs and pre-order incentives, this is without a doubt the best value CE I've ever seen.  I was ready to pay $250 for a CE, even put that money aside, and basically have a free $150 to do whatever I want with.  Probably going toward $150 worth of booze.
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