Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by bahamut1

It's battlegrounds. It'll probably be exactly like WoW bg's with EQ flavor. Not too exciting really... to me.

EDIT: It'll be great for the 3 classes that are actually good at pvp. Everyone else will get slaughtered and lose interest quickly.

 

actually they mention Battlegrounds AND Zones, so it might be BGs and full zones for more open PVP. like the Abyss in Aion.

You're giving SOE too much credit. They'll never put something like the abyss in EQ2. It's more likely zones as in 2v2, 4v4 and 6v6 bg zones for pvp. I'll even go out on a limb, a very short one, and say that they're probably partial epic zones or copies of zones in the current game. They're not going to spend tons of manpower and time on a couple bg zones with a major expansion coming out at the same time.

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

I'm going to be playing the free trial to check out the game and I'm looking for beginner tips, such as:

What class is horrible and should be avoided?

There is no horrible class per se. All the classes can solo and if you do other things well, you won't have to worry about groups too much. Skill counts for much more than class availability, but there are classes desired over others.

The bard (dirge or troubador) is great for endgame groups and raids, and they are highly sought after, however, soloing is probably the worst of the classes. Not that soloing is very hard for any of the classes, but of them, bards are harder. Also, the templar, and the guardian, while they can solo fine, they are slow. They do the least damage to mobs, so some people just get too ADD to play them sometimes.

What's a couple of the most wanted classes for groups and best performing classes solo?

Most wanted for groups are bards, enchanters (illusionist and coercer), plate tanks (guardian, berserker, shadow knight, and paladin) and healers of course. DPS is always needed as well, but most groups aren't that picky about the dps as far as class. I mean, as long as you do damage and aren't a complete moron, then most any dps class is fine.

Best solo classes would be summoners (necromancer and conjuror), brawlers (monk and bruiser), and the shadow knight (although this might change... someday...). Shadow knights are noticably overpowered right now, well this whole expansion really, but you never know with this game. But, brawlers aren't desired for groups as much, and summoners aren't sought after for raids.

Is there something I should get started on early, like crafting or skills or whatever?

Every time you get a chance... harvest. Also, get into a guild asap. If it's not an active guild with regular people, find another guild. These are the two most important things. Other than that, have fun, do quests, learn the ropes. Harvests will sometimes get you rares that are worth good money or even be able to make a nice item for your character, even if you don't craft.

Any other basic tips would be appreciated.

This game has something called mentoring. People of higher level can mentor down to your level and help with low level dungeons, quests, or just goofing off. You get bonus experience, and they get bonus aa, so it's a win win situation.

It's battlegrounds. It'll probably be exactly like WoW bg's with EQ flavor. Not too exciting really... to me.

EDIT: It'll be great for the 3 classes that are actually good at pvp. Everyone else will get slaughtered and lose interest quickly.

Actually, while certain things in the movie won't be exactly as seen, all the stuff in that video was IN GAME footage. It's not like they put up a CGI movie, like another big company we know, and then say there will be an all new raid dungeon in the next expansion, only to find out it's the EXACT same dungeon as before.... EXACTLY!!

In game footage means the programming is there, and it's very possible. It's not like swimming physics are a huge secret in MMO programming, or houses... even though the other game can't seem to figure that out after 2 expansions over 5 years... pathetic. Mounts and warfare have also all been done before, so woop-dee-doo. You think Turbine and Sony have the lock on these things? Just because Blizzard isn't smart enough to figure it out doesn't mean other companies don't already do it and have been doing it.

Even if the updates take a year, great. As long as they're working on them, and get them right, and they're things that I like, that's a plus. That's great.

These threads are absolutely useless. They don't give anyone a true clear picture of the game, and hundreds of thousands of people can rebutt every single point made. Not liking a game because of gameplay, graphics, genre, or any number of viable reasons is fine. That's why there's choices. Choices of games, and abilities and likes and dislikes. But posting just because you suck in a game is NOT the game's, or the dev's, fault. If you're not any good at it, then go your own way and decide you're just not cut out for this game. It's that simple.

It's impossible to buy anything because everything costs too much. YET, thousands and thousands of players not only make money, but have so much they don't know what to do with it. If it was a valid concern, great, but you have tons of proof otherwise.

I keep dying all the time. Then learn to play better, or quit. Move on to another spot, another game, or whatever it takes to make you happy. Again, hundreds of thousands of players able to live to 50, have great stuff and don't cry every time a player in a PVP game kills them. That's really an oxymoron... dying to other players in a pvp game.... HELLO, MCFLY....

Bots are bots are bots are bots... Welcome to MMO's... Oh, wait, you play WoW. Yeah, WoW has no bots... WoW has more bots than all the rest of the games put together, but keep those blinders on, I guess they been working for you so far...

I knew there was a problem with the post when it said WoW was a "First line" MMO. lol Man, you don't even have to look for the humor in that.

Aion has its problems, none of which were touched on by the OP. I can think of half a dozen right now. BUT blaming the game for your inability to play very well does not make the game bad. Believe me, WoW has much worse problems after 5 years.

I don't go to the Nintendo forums complaining about the hand-eye coordination of Mario Brothers. I suck at that game, so I don't play it.

Blaming a game because you suck is not a bad game. Bad for you, obviously, but every game can't be preschool like WoW.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by bahamut1

And there's games without bots? Which one? Name a single game without bots, just one with population over 100k, and heck, even below that. If you think there aren't any bots in EVERY MMO on the planet, then you are incredibly naive.

Every MMO has bots. There is only one MMO, that I am aware of (besides the F2P ones) that has more bots than Aion. That MMO is Lineage II.

This is not a matter of an MMO having bots. It's a matter of an MMO having bots and not doing anything about it.

That is absolutely ludicrous? You really actually believe that? Seriously? WoW, and that does have a double meaning... just WoW... lol

EDIT: I would NEVER defend the botting in Aion or any game, and it is an absolute shame. The gold/kinah BUYERS are to blame obviously as they produce demand. But to actually say, and believe what you wrote is naive in the extreme.

And there's games without bots? Which one? Name a single game without bots, just one with population over 100k, and heck, even below that. If you think there aren't any bots in EVERY MMO on the planet, then you are incredibly naive.

Don't blame the game because you suck as a player. I got killed by a higher level, waaaah. I got ganked by a group, waaaaah. I can't make enough kinah, waaaaah. Death costs too much, waaaaah. Get better, or get out. Looks like you took the easy way. Typical of lazy little wannabes. Bye.

You don't play a Massively Multiplayer Game to actually have to deal with other people. That's insane, and even rediculous to even think of such a thing. How crazy are you to think that we'll actually have to resolve disputes with other people in a game made to support thousands of people simultaneously. What a bunch of crap, and I'm totally disappointed in you bringing up such a thing.

Anything that comes out that has high fantasy, classes, fighting mobs, and has quests is labeled a WoW clone. WoW fanboys won't admit there are better games and WoW haters won't admit that WoW has had a large impact on the MMO genre. Ignore them all, and play what you like. As long as you like it, your friends like it, and you're having fun why should you care? It's only a forum where people say virtually anything to get attention, a rise, or just bored with themselves. Play what you like and forget the rest of the bs.

SoE doesn't give a crap about what the consumer wants...

Free Realms + EQ Lore + $15/mo = Everquest Next

Mark my words, I'll even bet my life on it.

A shaman is as close as you're going to get. Their pets aren't half bad. Otherwise, play EQ. :)

Originally posted by solareus

So the game lacks content at levels as low as level 30 ? AMAZING !

Just like WoW, EQ, LoTRO (which had huge quest holes at launch), and... ah, screw it, pretty much every game released.

Yes, the rest of the quest is being added. It's blue armor, and at that level, it IS best in game pretty much.

Originally posted by Vallanor

Originally posted by bahamut1

Way to let me down SoE... You've gone too far this time. It had so many things going good for it too, but they (SoE) always find a way... :(

 

I didn't realize they had done that with exclusive dungeon content.  Definitely not ok.  I do appreciate them finally allowing you to get achievement experience without questing now, and it makes me want to revisit Norrath, but I'll think twice after your post.  Hmm...

Don't get me wrong. EQ2 is a great game. One of the best PvE experiences I've had. Lots to do, lots to see, and still one of the best looking and playing MMO's to date. With all of their blunders aside, I really love this game. I have several characters level 80 and all of them are 50+. The ideas and experiences are incredible.

BUT, it doesn't take a presidential economics advisor to see where this is going, and it's just not kosher. It's absolutely rediculous to take a P2P game and turn it into an item mall game while still charging the monthly. "It's ok, it's only fluff, it doesn't significantly impact gameplay." Well, so much for those empty words.

Because Aion doesn't charge you extra for items or dungeon access.

As for as the PvE / PvP thing...

EQ2 does have better PvE, although it's been out for 5 years. Aion has better PvP than just about every game, depending on your personal tastes of course. They're both high fantasy games with quests and mobs and dungeons (even though your $15 / month does not give you access to all items and dungeons in EQ2). You COULD level to 50 in Aion and never PvP, although you would miss out on a lot of content.

Originally posted by sweetdreams

Looool you do not want to play it now. EQ2 is already a monthly subscription game, and they are upping the RMT. They have an LoN card coming up where you are granted an exclusive zone with drops only from it.

Lots of anger about it. Almost 700 replies. You can read about it here: forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m

This spelled the end for me. 5 years of loyalty, and thousands of hours of gameplay. All to come to proving all the SoE haters absolutely 100% correct. Even after the addition of the SC, I bit my tongue and hoped for the best. Boy, was I wrong...

It's probably a good time to go...

The SoE, SWG NGE naysayers can now say, "I told you so...". I defended this game. Put thousands of hours into it over the last 5 years, and now SoE has proved them right. LoN packs now offer private exclusive dungeons for LoN players. You now have to pay to play in a dungeon... on top of the 14.99.

Way to let me down SoE... You've gone too far this time. It had so many things going good for it too, but they (SoE) always find a way... :(

I'm a "middle-coast", Texas, and I have toons on an East coast and a toon on a West coast server. The west coast server for me runs smoother, less lag, and plays better than the east coast server. HOWEVER, the east coast server is MUCH more populated... by far.

Originally posted by Umbral

 

A lot of users here are confusing, graphic, artstyle and personal taste even with the fact the 3 aspects compose a game´s visuals.

 

 

You win the internetz...

What he said, in its entirety.

Originally posted by Axehilt

No, it won't fail.

But I've given up on it for now, due to:

• terrible camera controls. 
• excessive PVE repetition that takes the genre a step backwards.
• poorly-designed PVP (kinda ridiculous to have someone from from 1 foot away to out of spell range, in the 2 sec it took to cast my frostbolt spell.)
• poorly-designed world objectives (Didn't they learn from WAR that 8+ mins of attacking a stationary wall isn't fun?)

I might eventually try it again, but for now I'll revert to my TF2-for-PVP, WOW-for-PVE split of gaming, which has worked out nicely.  And I suppose I've been playing a non-trivial amount of Haven & Hearth for my sandbox fix too.

The camera controls have been brought up and I hope they work on them. The PvE will be added as the game grows and gets past "opening night" (Just like every MMO released since 1998). The problem with outrunning spell casts is fixed in patch 1.6. The final concern will subside as more people learn how to bring down doors effectively.

Just wanted to intervene there for informational purposes.

Now you guys can get back to arguing with the guy that never played past 20th level, or researched the game at all.