i have to agree with some people in here , i think that swtor is just riding the cash shop for a long while and there is tons of posts right now on their forums about the summer 2 heroics updates. They are adding plenty of cartel garbage fluff gear and things for players to buy and not adding any content really until the super secret BIG pvp update they keep spinning every few weeks. I honestly kinda feel sorry for regular players of this game because they get probably the less amount of content for their money they spend. It was exactly like this with the hardcore warhammer fans , they got a monthly sub on a game that still has bugs (tons) from beta and had to pay for a renoun cap increase and a pet that gives extra stats in a pvp game. This is EA at its full core on ALL their games though but rabid fans continue to throw them money so what do you expect ?

Do a comparison of games content updates (actual content) and see where SWTOR actually falls in place. Its def behind wow , GW2 , lotrs online , rift , TSW ,and EQ2. Who also has the absolute most restrictive free to play system on the market? SWTOR once again. I think the only games right now that get less content for their sub players is AOC and TERA. Thats sad fans you guys need to do something about that.

Originally posted by iamflymolo

Originally posted by Panther2103

Originally posted by PWN_FACE

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by RollieJoe
After Defiance and now this cash grab, looks like Trion has fallen very far as a studio. 

 Yup. I have totally written off TRION as studio. At least People now know what to expect from Archage.

Guess People are less happy now, seeing what has become from TRION.

It's like their HQ has been raided by a hostile Asian F2P Company take over. Like PWE or something.  /shrug

Absolutely not interested in ArcheAge now. If TESO and Wildstar are like this as well, I'm done with mmorpgs.

It is really weird actually though. How can a company make this many mistakes in a row. They started out awesome, releasing an amazingly polished game that had consistant updates throughout its life that were incredibly large, and had one of the biggest expansions in an MMO, then released more content right after that. Then came defiance, which honestly wasn't THAT bad, but it was a cash grab based on how buggy and not polished it was when it came out, it showed what Trion started to focus on. Then they announced F2P Rift which made sense, it wasn't really flourishing it was just kind of a stagnant population and they wanted to bring more people in. They promised no pay to win and then they decided to put all kinds of gear in the cash shop? What the hell were they thinking. It just makes no sense that a company that great started making these really poor decisions. Did someone take it over or something? I didn't see any buyouts or any changes in the CEO or anyone that would have a big say in anything like this. It's like they went from being a gamers company to being EA.

There actually was a CEO change and the f2p model is rumored to be the reason, although he denies it. Honestly, though, I don't think most remaining rift players care what is in the cash shop. The people I play with just like to play rift. It never has been WoW, where people would stroll around with amazing looking gear that took them months to earn while a trail of people followed saying, "where did you get that?" So, yeah, a lot of hard-core raiders will be leaving but there weren't enough of them to keep the game alive anyway.

Even with the low to medium population on my shard the end-game zone events were always well-populated at any time of day. These are not hard-core, or even all that hard. Nobody in these groups care who has what gear and you could play them in greens at level 58. But people play them all the time because they are darn fun. This is what Rift is about, not about hard-core raiding and cool gear.

Currently on xfire (yeah, I know, it doesn't actually mean much) rift is ranked 33 with 1300 hours and it isn't even open to the f2p market yet! Three weeks ago it was hovering at around 400 hours per day. So while it remains to be seen if these decisions are actually good or bad, at the moment things are looking pretty good.

i know you mean well with what you are saying but lets be honest the reason people are flooding the servers is because of the double rapt promotion thats been up for about a month and just got tons of new keys last week. I was just playing rift up until about a week ago and everyone coming to shatterbone and faeblight are return players getting their free storm legion souls from the expansion from raptr or brand new players get both and 30 days for free. Rift while it will do better with larger amounts of traffic from plenty of burned out mmo players surfing games , this cash shop DID piss off more players than what you are letting on (though it might just be your servers observation) There is pay to win threads on the official forums getting locked all the time over this crap. Also Im not sure when you joined rift but rift has ALWAYS been a raiding game. That at its core is the absolutely only thing to do is run experts events and raids or conquest if you are a pvp fan with some warfronts. They designed the entire game from the ground up with wow and warhammer in mind so im not quite sure how you say people dont play rift to raid. Just go to each servers official forum and see all the progression threads to see for yourself.

im glad you guys are here on this site finally seeing Trion for what they are and this free to play . Now also keep in mind they nerfed all marks with this expansion dropping from heroic bosses so grind is WAY worse than 1.0 ever was . On top of that the only way to get extra marks from dailies is to either A buy the sub for a month and get a boost to tokens or B buy the gear from the cash shop because once anyone gears up past heroics there is no point at all in doing them like raid geared toons used to do in 1.0.

This game isnt going to crash and burn because there is a lot of players who prefer to spend money instead of earning things out there otherwise these studios wouldn't be doing this to begin with. But I honestly do not see much of a future for this game other than a cheap thrill ride for the average player playing a month and leaving when you can buy your way to raids. Also with this patch , they still are so damn clueless and are not even trying to address the MYRIAD of issues that caused so many players to leave the game and not come back. I honestly think Trion just gave up on the game and are more or less focused on pushing out as much revenue as fast as possible. The new zones been in the works for months , trion said that even before layoffs so even fans cant use this content patch as an excuse to say trion is still pushing out content because other than the new zone and couple of raids they been working on for months its all 100% store.

Also good luck saying a word of complaining on their official forums , that place is a pure shit pool of venom by the most rabid fans ive ever seen in my life. Even if you try to be constructive all you ever get back is go back to wow and bashing. I personally hope this game flops hardcore as others have said in here so maybe game companies learn a lesson about these sorry cash shops that sell gear and I win items for lazy players who don't want to earn anything.

like yourself ive played them all as well pretty  solidly off and on for years and the only one that i feel like has good quality is wow and i keep going back to it after all these games continue to just lose subs or die off until they are free. WOW for myself seems to be about the only game out there right now that has polish quality and a overall team that actually seems to get their own playerbase. Vanguard is still sorta on life support witha  very small team adding in tiny bug fixes and class issues and EQ2 is just old dated and went through about 4 identity crisis revamps over the years. While it has polished zones and classes its slow and boring combat for me that lacks any thing other than grinding AAs to be ready for end game and it seems like you have to worry about that instead of just fluid leveling and having fun.

Rift well just dont even get me started on them that game i go back to for a week or two tops until im totally just disgusted with it and leave as fast as I can. Another game worth mentioning is LOTR online here (I know you didnt for whatever reason is your own) but they have sped up combat a lot and things flow much more fluid but the large class revamp isnt until the expansion so its still not 100% polished yet , though the combat has gotten faster than Rift and EQ2 for sure.

Honestly if you want a quality game to play stick to wow , they have already started making posts about losing 2 million subs and have big plans to address that stuff so I think they are probably going to be the only studio to actually release a quality expansion and address the reason people are leaving , plus you don't have to be nickel and dime to death with free to play.

so much just plan out wrong in this thread its not even funny and so MANY band wagoners as well here cheering on bad info. Rift is going free to play just like SWTOR and the rest of these train wrecks of mmorpgs not because guild wars 2 or any other buy to play crap that releases. Its because the games are by far not holding any population because at their core majority of the people who have tried them come right back to sites like this and call them wow clones because at their hearts thats what they are. The ONLY thing different in Rift than wow is their soul system and random popping events like rifts and world events which ironically just so happens to come from warhammer online and half the devs were laid off from mythic to begin with go figure...

Rift was complained about constantly at release during beta's and even when storm legion released. So all you guys telling people they are wrong are actually the wrong ones because anyone whos played rift off and on for years can tell you there has been SO many times players have left in droves because of some of the stupid crap they did or the carpal tunnel marks grind and raiding grind. They even added conquest trying their best to win players over with 3 way pvp systems as GW2 was releasing. They are just like games like LOTR online D&D online or Tera or SWTOR for that matter and the only reason they are changing their business model. Also they are selling every single thing in the game but top tier raid gear so have fun with the worst pay to win system of a western mmorpg . No one wants to call them out for what they are and how bad they been instead they would rather ride their fanboism to the max because they are getting some game access for free....

Rift has been having its population coming back because of Raptr and it was before free to play was even announced durr OP. If people are  being given a free game , pets and expansion plus 30 free days of game time of course its going to get people playing its common sense.

Also plenty of people go to the forums and tell people why they leave and trust me its never once been because it has a sub fee listed. Its because its still at its heart and soul a wow clone and still to this day does absolutely nothing at all better than wow does it .Contrary to this jaded opinion of majority on this SMALL site , wow is about 1000x better than rift ever will be and if you are going to play an exact end game clone of wow but with about 10x more grinding for tokens and marks than wow ever had on its worse day what do you expect people to do? Thats why all you hear in rifts general chat is wow jokes and dissing on wow by a bunch of angry nerds that just lost their first love and are burned out of wow. Yet they are ALWAYS the first to run right back to wow every single expansion that releases. Trion had at its prime maybe 250k subs , wow even losing subs is 8.3 million , you can do the math yourself and see why people leave.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Manolios

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by iamflymolo

Originally posted by Issiea
I don't mind if it is slow, its just the way that I level.  It just needs to be more interesting.  Ok, so adventures are dungeons I take it?  How about PvP?

The variety makes it interesting. Adventures are good options as long as your adventure has 5+ people. Pvp is also very good as long as you have daily random warfronts available and your faction wins at least half the time. Dungeons work well but there aren't a lot of them so that really isn't an option for the whole process. After level 50 onslaughts open up and those are extremely fast if you have a group of 4+. Also, zone invasions can be awesome and if you get into a group farming raid rifts that works well, too. So you can pretty much always find a different way to level when the method you've been using gets dull.

For me the most consistent way to level quickly is still doing old-fashioned quest runs, but then I wrote a leveling guide for Rift so I'm a bit of an expert on Rift questing.

Instant adventures are just quests without quest givers.  In fact, many of them are existing quests.  Instead of a purpose (even a half assed one) you are just ported somewhere and told to kill 13 things or maybe kill a named mob.

 

yes but instead of doing quests alone, you are doing them with others. besides that, you can do other things happening there in the same time, as an opening rift, an invasion, a world boss or whatever.

its special also that game downlvling you and gets you to places and quests in every map, so it gets less boring. plus its nice to play in the whole world map and not only in some territories all the time, doing the same quests and killing the same mobs every day.

i wished this many times for WoW too. so huge and nice world for nothing. you get 1-2 lvl's in every area and thats it. at least RIFT lets you play again there, while you gain loot, xp etc appropriate to your lvl.

so imo in the current mmo market, considering the quality and the payment model, RIFT is the best choice by far.

You are still doing the quests alone.  there is no interaction expected or required with the other people, they are NPCs doing the same thing you are doing.  And i fail to see how going back and repeating quests you did at level 12 is all that much different than dailies.  But I just never understood the appeal of IAs, its soulless content (like most dailies).  Now downleveling for older invasions, that is fun imo.  

EQ2 has downleveling too, and has significantly more content than Rift and a much better game world.  LOTRO also has mentoring.  I consider both these games superior to Rift just because they arent as bland as Rift (although LOTRO might be too slow/sluggish combat for most).  Rift is in my opinion currently the 4th best WoW/EQ2 style themepark imo.  Not as good as the original 3 (WoW, EQ2, LOTRO) but better than the later ones (WAR, SWTOR) and the cheap knockoffs (Allods, RoM).  Its not a bad game, but its not a great one either.  Although none of the themeparks are great anymore (as opposed to Vanilla WoW, SoA LOTRO and EoF EQ2)

You describe how I feel about rift much better than myself , while its going free to play and marketed here and all these suckers are falling for it like its going to be just so great , they have done absolutely nothing at all to address how stale the world and leveling in this game is. I understand some in this thread are just trying to be helpful like Kano etc but this game just is so damn slow and boring once you hit 50 that most lose complete interest in the game and quit which is why they are going free to play to begin with. 

Just like in the myriad of threads complaining on certain things that just plan out suck on the official forums they ignore who complains or close threads , yet they listen to moronic fanbois on their forums that would rather tell everyone who dislikes things they are stupid or they want things to easy etc like another troll did to me in this thread. There is a reason this game is going free to play and its not because of the kindness of their hearts trust me. Its stale bland and boring with gimmicky leveling and a crappy copy and paste of wows endgame , which by the way its about 100x more grinding in rift to get to the fun raiding unlike wow who has raid finder and actual scenarios that help to gear you up unlike rifts crappy daily expert system that you cant even get boss marks anymore....

I play wow and many many haters on this site can talk all the smack they want about how much better rift is than wow yet rift has never even brought in a tiny piece of the sub numbers wow pulls every month even losing steam with only 8.3 million subs now. Also lotr online combat is not slower than rift anymore , they have dumbed down the combat some by making it so you don't miss special attacks anymore and raised stats on weapons so you can kill faster and have auto loot etc so its actually much faster compared to rift nowadays. Also they are about to put in a completely new talent tree system based on the old wow and swtor talent tree style.

BTW ive played rift off and on since beta 1 and have multiple toons that are in their 50s and had plenty of drowned halls GSB river of souls etc experience and its funny I ALWAYS leave after just a month or two from rift to go back to wow no matter how hard I try to stay with Rift. I dont need build help to have fun I know all the builds that work for storm legion and I know how to get to 60 fast if I want which btw people is hunt rifts not carnage quests so get it right. Obviously I just do not enjoy the game until they address why everyone leaves to begin with especially considering they have added more end game content than wow has at times and people still leave in droves.

i have 3 toons in storm legion currently a level 52 rogue 51 warrior and 52 mage and I can tell you right now questing is not interesting at all unless you  enjoy their story which is pretty shallow imo. Once you hit 50 you hit a brick wall basically anyways where at least you could plow through mobs and have a great time leveling even if the combat is slow and clunky. Once you hit storm legion mobs start having 26k health when you have 6-7k and things slow down to a literal crawl which wouldn't be that bad imo if they actually lowered the health of the mobs and made things faster. A lot on this site disagree because they seem to want their games to be a full time job with overtime where it takes you 80 hours a week to get a level but that to me isnt fun.

But from my experience now , ive spent many hours in Rift since they announced their free to play and all that did was honestly make me resub back to wow where I came from because reading the myriad of new info from the devs and seeing they are basically just shining up Rift nicely with free to play gimmicks and not actually addressing the issues of why so many people left to begin with Ive given up and went back to wow where at least I know things are actually fun . To people staying good luck though as you got one hell of a grind ahead of you if you want to raid.

Originally posted by syntax42
Allods was not very impressive, in my opinion.  I think Obsidian chose the wrong team.  I'm willing to give it a look, but if it has a cash shop like the one in Allods, I won't play it.

I agree with you completely Allods online was the #1 rated wow clone when wow clones were just starting , they literally came up with just about nothing at all on their own it was all copied directly from wow for a quick cash grab. Then on top of that they created parts of the game like death charms so when you died you had to have a cash shop item on or you risked a item breaking. Then the expensive runes and costly advantages in pvp. The list goes on and on , and while I'm sure G-Potato had its hand in this expensive cash shop mandatory game , the devs continued to do this crap and it was shady period. I think this is another game I'm not even remotely going to be interested in because the company doing it is amateur and greedy at the very best said about them.

Originally posted by Onecrazyguy

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Onecrazyguy

Originally posted by DMKano

Originally posted by Vannor

Well, since the game is using PWE accounts I'm pretty sure the security is exactly the same as it is for every other PWE game.

There isn't a common complaint that PWE accounts are being hacked in any other games (PWE or Cryptic) so it makes no sense that it'd start happening in Neverwinter and nowhere else. I'd honestly look closer to home for whatever is causing the problem.. I know people hate to hear that and you'll probably just ignore me and keep blaming the game instead of figuring out whether or not it could be something on your end. I'd hate it if someone said this to me as well.

It happens with every game.. lots of new traffic, lots of people claiming there are security issues. PWE didn't have security issues before this launch and all the games have the same build in the launcher and login systems.

When Rift goes ftp.. you'll see people complaining about it there as well. Yet right now, there's no issues at all.

Rift does have an authenticator for 2 factor auth in their Launcher. I wish all companies used an some form of 2factor authentication, right in the launcher.

Rift is actually a really BAD example. In it's early days they had accounts being hacked to hell and back and they continued to tell customers it was their fault. After weeks of this happening it turned out someone was using packet manipulation to get into their back-end and could control accounts and even unban themselves.

Yes, but it's been fixed now for a long time. Trion's server structure was brand new then, it can make sense. Neverwinter's (PWE's) isn't.

There very well may be a problem with Neverwinter. All I'm saying is don't automatically assume there is no other reason. I mean, Neverwinter sends out activation codes when new IP's access your account... how are people losing accounts with this in place? I tried it myself. Logged in at my parents house and it locked the account until I verified it.

My point about Rift is that like many games, there are security issues on the server side that automagically get blamed on the customer.

Um no it doesn't always send out an activation code. Ever try changing your email? It sends a verification email to the NEW email address and NOTHING to the old which makes no sense at all.

You are making assumptions as well. You are assuming this is using the same PWE back-end that other games use. Yet you don't really know that. For example, try entering a NW code from PC Gamer or one of the magazines on the PWE site. It will take you to a NW specific site, so it's likely NOT using the same system.

It could be on my side, but the number of people experiencing the EXACT same hack seems to indicate it's more than a client side issue.

 

 

 

the sad thing is with this company PWE you will never ever get a straight answer , they are one of the worst bottom feeder companies in the industry up there with Aeria games and Gpotato.

Originally posted by simsalabim77
WoW has the most competitive PVP hands down. I can't think of a single fantasy MMO that has better PVP than WoW. 

make sure next time you put "in your opinion" because you can pretty much bet that majority of this site and others will never agree with you. A gear based system where skill hardly matters is hands down one of the worst pvp systems hands down. I play wow still to this day and FINALLY after expansion and expansion and constant arguing with idiots like greg street we can finally get rid of all the pvp stats on gear and make it a better experience.