Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by Mcgreag
I am talking much older games than that, I started with PnP RPGs around 20 years ago. The d20 systems is a new system (2000, by then I had almost stopped playing PnP RPGS) that was released after the initial MMORPG wave. I would even go so far to say the the modern d20 systems are inspired by MMORPGs and not the other way around.

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So you were playing PnP RPG's when you were seven?

Well D&D was out using the d20 in the 1970's, so before you were born. BUt that said I preferred Runequest and Call of Cthulu (both percentile skill systems) to d&d.

To the person who would play a MMORPG if it was based on d20 - that would be D&D Online.

Originally posted by Arcken

They should have put that on the box. "This is an unfinished product, it will not work properly, it is not a quality product because we screwed up. Please buy this product regardless, we really, really need your money.

Allright Vanbois, where on the box does it say its not complete? Putting it in a fresh new box with no mention on the box whatsoever that its janky and barely works, well  thats borderline false advertising. If I go to a new  car lot, and see a sweet lookin ride, I dont expect that oops they forgot to put the motor in because they were running short on cash. Perhaps youd like to pay for the car now and in a few months (maybe) we will do something about the motor.

Go ahead Vanbois I look forward to yet another flame because god forbid someone doesnt like what you do.

 

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Originally posted by DrowNoble

I think Amathe misunderstood my statement about real life and games.  I am absolutely not condoning what Serenity Now did.  My point was that Serenity Now apparently couldn't separate an ingame mechanic (open pvp) and a real life event (funeral).  So yes, calling me and laughing at my loss or sending disrepectful email would also be umm... inappropriate to put it mildly. 

I bet even today, that in /gu chat Serenity Now probably still brags about it to themselves.  People like that disgust me and are the minority gankers that give the majority pvpers a bad name. 

Oh and sorry Amathe if I sounded like I was sympathizing with them.  I definately was not nor was any of my post meant to be sympathic in any way to Serenity Now.

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Originally posted by Minimum

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It's a freaking game.  I want to be able to PLAY.  To be honest, I like exploration.  And I would look forward to doing just that.  But how many times did you have to ride the damn boats in EQ before it got old really really old?   In DAoC how many times did you have to ride the horses before it got old, really really old?  In WoW how many times do you have to ride the birds before it's old, really really old?

And none of these games have something so onerous that they let you go off line to travel (caravan system).  I forget which EQ expansion had you traveling to the new druid rings on foot first before you could port to them, but I kind of like that idea.  Same with WoW, where you have to go get the flight path before you can use it.  But after awhile, it all gets old.  

What I want is fun.   Why do people like you always think people want it "easy"?   I just want to PLAY, is that too much to ask for?

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

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As all the skills are time based (real world time) im not seeing how you were able to compete or achieve the skills necessary to do so.

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Also, im not sure how you can rate PvP so high in a game that you basically Pay to become more powerful. The real world time based skill system means you abilities and power increase the longer you have an account, as opposed to the achievement model of most other games ( you do something you get better, skill or level based games, how ever long it takes you).

Just to address these points, let me first say that EVE is a fully skill based game.  That takes a moment to sink in, unless you've played one before.  The implications are not just that there are no classes, but that there are no levels either, and no single player can ever become the best at everything.  Folks have calculated out that to learn every single skill in the game to max levels would take something like 20 years of real time!

That is how a new player can compete and even do quite well against veterans who've played since day one.  Sure, you'll never "catch up" and be as all-around powerful as one of the old timers, but you can be just as good at flying a frigate in a month.  Before you dismiss that, remember that EVE is a multiplayer game, and frigates serve an important role in fleet combat.  Unless you're just being a gate ganker, or a POS killer, you can always PvP in frigates, and honestly they're fun to fly.  Added bonus that if you lose, you're probably only out a few million... losing a battleship hurts!

It's also quite possible to be an effective trader in only a month.  You won't be flying the billion ISK freighter, but you can move an impressive amount of refined minerals in even a small industrial ship.  Buying low in one region and selling in another is a good way to make money.  Hauling for mining corporations is another.

Unlike other games out there, EVE doesn't hold your hand and lead you from point to point in your career.  You really have to get in there and figure things out, and IMHO that's half the fun of it.