All Posts by Sovrath

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Originally posted by DemonknightI


level 1-59 this game is great.  It's WoW's endgame and Blizzard's insistance on making sure all the whiners weren't getting killed and everyone played nicely that kept it from being legendary.

My 2 cents, thanks

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Originally posted by Gameloading

my favourites for 2007 are,

Aion

Ragnarok 2

Granado Espada

Vanguard

Age of Conan

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I wish Aion was coming out in 2007. I know they said beta was sometime in 2007 but I wonder if that is also for the western market or if the western market will have to wait 6 months or so.

Quite frankly, the only mmo I like for the future is Aion. LOTRO intrigues me but I have my doubts. I would love it if I was wrong (and I am a true believer in making up my own mind, no matter what other people say as I have my own personal benchmarks for what makes a satisfying gameplay experience).

Conan just isn't doing it for me. I liked the books but I prefer games where my avatar can be sleek and otherworldly (and yes, I play a lot of elves) as opposed to barbaric and unwashed.

Warhammer just doesn't speak to me at all. Neither does Vanguard.

I guess I'm not into game hopping. I really feel that in order to truly experience these games you need to "be there". That some sort of commitment is needed.

I have been playing Lineage 2 for about 3 years now. I love so many things about it but in the end it just isn't doing it. I suppose the next update will be the telling factor as to whether or not I continue.

We'll see.

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Originally posted by Novaseeker
My question is this: with a gamestyle as similar to Lineage II as this one, why play this over Lineage II?  Is it because everyone in L2 has such a big headstart that it's more of a pain contemplating levelling there?  Is it because this game apparently has more quests than L2, even though it's very much still a grinding game?  Is it just because it's new?  Are there any other reasons?  I'm curious, because to me when I looked at this game, it struck me to be rather similar in many ways to L2.

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That was my issue. This game seems  very much in the same family as L2. So I already play L2 and just didn't feel the need to "start over" as it were. Especially since L2 has been out for just about 3 years and has a lot of polish to it.

Still, if you like Korean grinders and don't mind a game in its early stages, this might be the game for you. I like how you modify weapons ALOT and liked the auction house as it allowed me to sell when I wasn't on or when I was doing something else.

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Originally posted by Dunno60
Man, what a bummer. How much do they usually cost if you buy them from a player vendor or something?

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I think that is what he is saying, dual swords are about 1 million adena starting. That seems about right. I don't recall ever seeing dual swords for any cheaper. Quite frankly I've never seen them for 1 million. Cheapest I can recall is about 1.5 million.

But l don't really think you need dual swords until lvl 40. I know that is true for dark elf blade dancers. I can't recall if human fighters (going Gladiator) get dual masteries until 40.

lol... that's good!

I was wondering what was going on as I get a message that my account was suspended. I couldn't imagine what I wrote that caused me to get banned!

Go to the main lineage2 site www.lineage2.com and go to the technical support forum and do a search. I believe this has happened before and I've seen threads regarding this issue.

If that doesn't work I would contact support. You can do that via the main website.

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Originally posted by vendris

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You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period. Couldn't have said it better.

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So, you're admitting that there's absolutely no point to the boring, excruciatingly, dull, repetitive grind from 1-70.  "The PVE portion of the game sucks.  The game isn't any fun at all until you reach max levels.  No one plays the game for the PVE, they play it for the PVP".  Wow!  What a great game!  If the game is only about the PVP then why does the game make you grind for months before you can actually PVP?  If all I want is PVP, how about I just go play Starsiege Tribes and skip shelling out monthly fees to play through the PVE portion of a game that even the game's defenders admit sucks.

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Almost.

There are mid lvl clans and alliances that have their own interactions. So you can easily get to this point in your levleing career and enjoy yourself.

Also, there are the new academies which give huge incentives for clans and alliances to invite lower lvl people and help them get to lvl 40.

But yeah, you need to be steadfast. Like I said above, not for eveyrone and it's completely understandable.

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Originally posted by Wolfenpride

I played lineage 2 for awhile, up to 30 i belive...the idea of the game was great but i agree it just isnt that great of a game. The only thing the game really has going for them, is the open pvp/castle sieges and such, but really that kind of stuff is only for the top lvls, which is extremely difficult to get to. While leveling, their is very little to do, their are quest, but they involved killing 100 somthing which is extremely ridiculous. And grinding is just a wash and repeat cycle, their is no strategy involved in casual lvling/grouping. The grind is also amazingly long, like someone said before both financially, and expirence.

This game is really only for those who can, and are determined to make it to the top, in other words The hardcore players. Once your up there though, their are the most amazing castle sieges iver ever seen in a game, and interesting pve raid bosses/dungeons.

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This quote is what is spot on.

This game is for people who are a bit obsessive and a bit "eye on the prize"

I remember one siege, probably the best siege I ever attended, where I actually invited friends over to see it. This was a huge deal as many alliances wanted us out of our castle. I remember signing in and seeing everyone getting ready and thinking "wow", you jsut don't get this with other games.

Sieges matter in this game. Clan wars matter in this game. This game has horrible quests and should be fun from square one. No arguement there (though when the game first started you had more people who were low lvl/more new people and so all the "drama" started in the new player areas.

But if you want a game that gives you things to do and gives you purpose this just isn't it. And I can "more" than understand why people wouldn't like it. It really isn't for everyone. But it is exceptionally beautiful and epic. Our major Raid bosses are extremely hard to take down. The raids take hours and can only be done with a lot of organization and planning.

And it does take conviction. In a way that is good. I do not begrudge anyone who likes games such as WoW or EQ2 or Guildwars (which I think is very beautiful by the way) because they are very fun and you can get to good stuff relatively quickly.

But L2 is really for people with conviction. Sure there are cheaters, but please, there are cheaters in wow, one of the most user friendly games ever. So obviously there is something else at work with these people.

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Originally posted by franksalbe

There is a lot to say about  people who try to talk you into something that doesnt grab you off the bat. Now, Now, b4 anyone starts jumping down my throat. I am not saying that L2 might not have great content later on int the game. What has to be taking into consideration is that the MMO industry is bigger then it ever has been worldwide. There are just simply to many variety of people playing for game designers of MMO to presume that people will still play through a game that doesnt catch them from the go.

"The easy and fun to learn but hard to master!" battle cry that all the MMO designers are bellowing out at the top of their lungs does hold true in alot of ways. This battle cry by no means mean we need to have more WOW clones (I would shoot myself it that is what it meant).

But what it does is help MMO designers focus more on fun and interactivity again instead of a never ending amount of crap loot and a whole lot of empty space  with no content.

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Well, I don't think you are off the mark. It's just that if one is going to try a game that is geared toward a niche market I feel it's fair to understand what that game is about.

Of course people should not feel that they should continue in a game that they dont' like. That's a given. But you can't evaluate a game like L2 in the face of other games as L2 is not about "fun quests" and ease of use.

It's a brutal game. Heck, I think the developers even saw this as they have changed the dropping rules on a recent patch.

Leveling is easier than ever. Well, as compared to the initial launch.

But it is and will always be about pvp. Not just fighting but the politics. That is the game. And yes it is not for many people.

But that's like saying baseball is boring when compared to Hockey. Sure, Baseball is not for everyone but there is an elegance to the game that appeals to some.

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Originally posted by isurus

I remember back in open beta; all the newbie areas were packed.  There was huge competition over mob spawns and some very interesting social dynamics came about because of it.  Toes were getting stepped on, egos were bumping in to each other.  PVP would break out all over the place and it lead for a very exciting newbie game. 

Nowadays, newbie areas are desolate and the goal is to get through the first 20 levels as fast as possible.  Newbie helper NPCs and starter shots have been added to help with this, but it's sad that what originally was a great hook to the game has degraded into a desert of inactivity.  I guess this can be said about all MMOs, though. 

One thing that has always confused me is that your character changes so dramatically at lv20 (and to a lesser extent, lv40).  When you hit that first class transfer your character can potentially transform into something completely different than what you've been playing for the last 20 levels. 

And speaking of lv20 transfers, whoever created the Scavenger quest was derranged. 

I think NCsoft should add a wide variety of meaningful, low level, low SP skills for pre-20 characters to try out their options.  Notice i said meaningful, ie. give mystics an option other than spam wind strike solo for the first 20 levels.  Give them some more buffs or a summon.  Afterall, ow can you tell, prior to lv20, that you want to be a buffer when all you do is nuke mobs with windstrike?  If you've never made a character before, you probably don't even know that such an option exists. 

In this respect, L2 requires some research and planning.  New players should look up the lv40 classes and read about them on forums.  Unfortunately the L2 playerbase is especially bad, as this is a very cutthroat game that encourages you to do whatever is necessary to meet your goals (underhanded techniques are very prevalent here). 

I played retail for well over a year and have played on various private servers on and off ever since.  I could write a class description guide that explains the gameplay of all the lv40+ classes, but it would probably be dated as i haven't played C5 yet.  I don't know, talk me in to it

edit: Nevermind, there already is one as a sticky in the L2 forum (go figure).  If you're just starting to get into L2, GO READ IT

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And that is just the thing Isurus. You got it right.

L2 is not a "hey... looks cool, might as well try it " game.

When the game first came out I was intriuged by the images I was seeing. I read all the reviews and realized that it wasn't the type of game I wanted to play. Still, I never tried an online game and EQ held no interest for me whatsoever (or any of the other options in June 2004.

So I bought it so that I could at least try it and see what it was all about, with the idea that I would probably stay a week.

Well, here it is, about 3 years later. I have a lvl 75 Spellhowler (soon to be a Stormscreamer in 35% - a few weeks work). The sieges can be incredible. And if you are a more hardcore pvp'er, the clan wars are right up your ally.

But this is not a game for people who are looking for guildwars or WoW or EQ2 type play (not bashing those games, just that L2 is so different).

I'm sorry that people don't like it but you can't like everything. This is a very "particular" game. It is not for everyone (and sometimes I don't think it's for me either.. yet here i am enjoying myself). But you need to do research and be prepared, otherwise you will just end up bitter.

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Originally posted by Orthosin

Got to level 10 and the grind was so omg. And there was barly any players to interact with. Why was this game created? Why are there no auction houses in any korean made mmos ok ok i give archlord credit for that but archlord is a whole nother suckage in itself.

Why do koreans make mmos? They have not got one right yet. Before i get bashed by a crazy anime fan or korean mmo lover i have played many korean mmos and i have got bored QUICK i walk into some huge town asking to group and i see nothing but a bunch of people sitting on the ground spamming items. PLLLLLEASE eastern countrys stick to making single player RPGs.  

I know your all saying well if you dont like em dont play em. Thats not the case instead of wasting money on these craptastic games they could put that money to making awesome single player rpgs.

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Ok, the problem is that you don't understand this game. Doesn't mean you are going to like it, but you need to understand what it is about.

This game is about clans, alliances and player vs player conflict. The quests are boring and there is a grind (and if you think 1-10 is hard try 75+).

The reason there are fewer places in the new player areas is because the nature of the game is to level up and get into a clan as quickly as you can. It is no fun to screw around in your teens and take your time to get to lvl 20 (first class transfer) because players are not going to think you are serious and will not want to recruit you (I believe you need to be 20+ for the new academy but I am not sure)

This game is about pvp. There doesn't need to be an auction house because part of this game is playing the economy. That is done through player run stores. Take a trip to Giran and tell me that there are no players in this game. Just make sure you turn down your computer settings.

If you like pvp, epic raid bosses, alliance vs alliance intrigue, pking, revenge, and having a clan being just more than a chat room while you do quests (you rely upon your clan, they become your brotherhood) then L2 is your game.

But if you don't like any of this then yes, there is not much to recommend.

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Originally posted by Marusha

Ok so I sign up for LA2 trial account and its only 10 dys not 14.

And also I created this account like tomorow and still not recieved a 20x digit cd key. NCSoft sux.

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I have to disagree.

I actually enjoy the grinding. I find it very relaxing. Clears my mind.

What the problem is for me is when games ONLY have grind. That the quests aren't fulfilling or fun.

Also, I have no problem paying to play. I am a firm believer in getting what you pay for. Money has to come from someplace in order to support the game, new content, upkeep, employees, etc.

Guildwars has done what they have done becuase of the very nature of the game as well as the technology they use. They don't need to support servers for entire worlds.

But if we don't pay then companies are going to start relying on paying for items or advertising. And I hate advertising.

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Originally posted by darkfenix200
And now when I put in my username and password the login button does nothing. Is this how this company works all the time? Constant issues? Or am I having a bad experience?

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Originally posted by darkfenix300
I'd be great if the trial keys actually worked.

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Guys, the mmorpg.com admin is looking into the issue:

"This trial is not supposed to require a credit card unless you decide to stay after the 14 day trial.  I have someone from NCSoft looking at what you are reporting...should have something for you soon."