All Posts by Sovrath

Originally posted by spyhunter107

Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game?

Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole!

I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!

 

Sign my petition @ http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/SaveDarkfall TY!

No.

We have to constantly hear about how games are not being targeted to more hardcore pvp players. There is finally a game that is targeted toward hardcore pvp players.

To that end there are so many games that you can play that have decent pve content.

No. No. No.

Ephimero, all you are doing by posting such cool shots of Aion Characters is making me want to play now.

And we know that that is not possible.

If you were a woman I would say you were a tease

Originally posted by Requiamer

Wow is a pvp game now?

Exactly, since when did WoW turn into a pvp game?

OP, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Originally posted by Syno23

meaning that, there's:

- Great graphics

- Indept detailed storyline

- amazing, fast action gameplay

- meaningful PvP

- what more?!

Well that is all subjective though (do you mean in depth?)

Great Graphics - I agree though there are people who are going to hate the art design

Indepth detailed storyline - I haven't read it but the lore behind the world is very good in my opinion

Amazing, fast action gameplay - again, I agree though there are going to be people who don't like this

meaningful pvp - meh... is it? I mean I like the type of pvp that Aion has but quite frankly that is extremely subjective. It really isn't complete open world pvp and it is RvR so there are going to be players who are going to hate the pvp system

what more- well, it is the only game that I am looking forward to with the exception of the LOTRO expansioin. But as far as games go, this seems to be it for me.

Originally posted by Hives

I have no love for WOW but to think for one minute that WAR will even reach 7% of WOW's active "paying" subs is to drowned yourself in total and complete nonsense. But hey, in the end you will have a War/Funcom tattoo on your ass and will be ok.

I couldn't agree more.... I hope he is ready to welcome back 10m WoW players after the free month is up.

True. It's like the OP has had a complete break with reality and doesn't understand why WoW is as popular as it is and what demographic War speaks to.

Originally posted by Kandaje

Greetings...

This is for the current generation of so-called game designers and quasi programmers who seem to be inflicting the online game genre with their still-borne abominations.  It's just a simple list of V-8 moment rules of thumb, A.K.A. Common sense - that apparently is no longer quite so common...

Alpha testing is testing the interface - Not the content.  If you're injecting new content every day - you're moving too fast.

Beta Testing is testing content and balance - Not the interface.  If you're still mucking around with the interface - You're NOT in Beta - You're still in Alpha.

If your game is a FPS - primarily using mouse and keyboard, and you neglected to put an invert mouse check box choice in - You are doomed to failure.  At least half the people on the planet - want the mouse to move the other way...

Every commercially acceptable operating system these days is based on a user modifiable windowed interface  of some type.  Why are you clowns still pretending user interfaces should be hard coded?

There is an ancient wisdom that says: Build your house on a foundation of rock.  NOT sand.  In other words - Get the interface down and working, all the little non-sexy details FIRST.  Things like inventory management, user feedback to choices, collision detection, etc.  Probably the single MOST important detail of ANY online game no matter what the genre is INVENTORY managment.  If you screwed that up - your entire game is screwed.  An example:  NWN-1 Beautiful inventory system.  NWN-2 - absolutely hideous inventory system - That's all it took for me to uninstall NWN2 - one look at the hideous inventory...

If your game is a Space game - Make this simple comparison:  Are your Ships - basicly a 1964 Volkswagon beatle armed with a BB gun, running around  in a walmart parking lot?  (because nearly every space game is exactly just that).  If it is - please- don't bother...

Nearly every online game these days, suffers from exactly the same problem.  Uberism.  Instead of rewarding cleverness, organizational skills, creativity and game play skills - virtually all games rely on an ever expanding absurdity threshhold.  The Uber-Arms vs Uber-Armor Vs Uber-Mob race.  AKA - Grinding.  Requires no skill, and creates an unrealistic unsatisfying economic nightmare where as soon as you get the next uber thingy - everything less becomes worthless.

Any Skills based character system that allows anyone to get good at everything - is a BAD system.

In game Death - SHOULD mean that you have to start all over again with a new character - Otherwise, it's meaningless.  Unfortunately, economic reality disallows that option in any game that one has to pay to play.  But it WOULD tend to lead to more conservative and REALISTIC game play wouldn't it?

At last count - there are at least 117 known elements.  Any trade game should take that simple fact into account...

If what you know about actual real world firearms is only what you know from movies and TV - make a pizza delivery game instead. - PLEASE???

I could go on - but, I've probably already lost 90% of the ADD crowd...

 

Where to go with this one!

First off, there is so much opinion here that it's very hard to read without arguing several points. However, you border on being extremely well written and wanting to just spout nonsense. "Still-borne abominations"? If it wasn't for such interjections I would say it was a very well written piece. But then you start interjecting your opinion about permadeath which has nothing to do with your original statment.

And does every modern game really allow for a completely modifiable interface? It's not clear how far that is to go but if you mean adding the player's own features then there is another argument there.

All that aside, your point is pretty good (the original point) that game companies seem to go into beta with many issues that seem to be things that should have been fixed in alpha. You are also very right about such things as inventory management. I imagine anything that woudl be considered bare nuts and bolts systems would also fit.

So a hard post to read. It's not clear that you want to talk solely about "bad betas" and that you want to also discuss your more personal ideas about what makes a good game. Which I'm sure many won't agree with.

edit: I do agree with your assessment about skills based systems though. But that has nothing to do with the title of "failed betas".

It has nothing to do with one being superior to the the other.

Now that there are significantly more people playing mmo's game companies have to contend with where they can mitigate financial disaster.

Oh sure, it's easy to say "hey, game companies need to take a chance", but I wonder how many people really take the same financial chances in their own lives? Do you go to work thinking "if this one product we are working on doesn't hit it big we will have to go into bankruptcy and we'll lose our jobs"?

And again it's easy to say "well if game companies would just get it right then they wouldn't have to worry". But no one goes in thinking they are going to tank. Ask the Hellgate London People or Sigil, or the company that was originally developing STO.

It's also very possible that a small sector of the hardcore pvp group has cut off its own nose to spite its face.

Very few people it seems want to deal with some of the highly aggressive and in many cases, inappropriate pvp players. Not to say that they are all like this. Hardly. But when I go into pvp it is completely about the objective. No drama, no grudges, etc. But when you start hearing people spouting utter garbage if they lose (or win) it gets old. Especially to people who have made it out of puberty (no matter their age).

So it's very hard for game companies to create games where the environment might foster such vitriol. It's hard to get people to play a game where they have to watch their backs all the time and where they are going to get verballly abused, win or lose.

Still, as you pointed out, there is a market for this. But is there enough of a market to justify the rising costs and risks of online game development?

Yet there are games out there that still have open pvp. Lineage 2 is a perfect example, and it is even a bit easier to get to higher lvls than it was before. Of course you are still dealing with rmt and botters but I wonder if all competitive games have this issue?

In any case it looks like Dark Fall might actually come out. You should withhold judgment until you try it. You should probably also mitigate your expectations as the hype is way too high, the expectations are way too high and it is one of the only more hardcore pvp games that is in development.

Originally posted by Omega3

Originally posted by Theocritus

     Whats funny is alot of the people that hated long travel times in EQ also hated PoK which made travel way better......I have not found a game yet where running for long periods of time is fun......Games like EQ2, WoW, Lotro simply have too many quests and the entire game feels like run, do a quest, run, do a quest, run, do a quest.........I couldnt play any of those games longer than 4 months......

EQ was boring when you simply camped mobs in the outside areas.

It instantly became fun when you entered a dungeon, because it increased the risk, there was a chance for special loot, and there was the chance to actually meet other players in the middle of a dark place.

In that respect, good dungeon design is critical to the enjoyment of it; and instanced zone while giving the players much comfort, further induce them into being self-centered solo players who group for their best interest.

lol,, well what an opinion. I can just feel the vitriol.

Truth be told, you are correct in that dungeon design is important and that it's hard to say that camping mobs and grinding is superior gameplay to questing.

But the idea of instanced zones can be more about story line but that's another topic.

I think the OP doesn't understand the complaint of excess travel.

To illustrate, I signed for Vanguard to give it a try because I liked the idea of a huge world where one can make discoveries. And Vanguard does seem to have this. it was neat to go out and explore. The issue hit when I just wanted to make my way back to town to restock or sell items. I suddenly realized that it was going to take quite a while and that was when I realized why players didn't want this type of gameplay anymore. If you have limited time, traveling back is less fun and more of a chore.

When you are questing you are doing something. Your mind is engaged with the task at hand. But traveling just to get to town is less attractive to players who don't desire to live in an online world but who just want to play a game. When one is done with whatever task that they were doing the prospect of traveling 20 minutes back to town starts to get old fast.

Originally posted by Crystallis

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Crystallis

Cant wait for the game to be  released.. been so bored in  college,  as for the hype meter im not to concern about it, i would play this game regardless of the hype.

 

Then you are in the wrong college!

How can you be bored in college!?!?!?!

 

Its boring because i rather be playing games then listening to my proffessor's lectures and yes i might be in the wrong college >_>.

Then time to change and quickly.

Originally posted by Crystallis

Cant wait for the game to be  released.. been so bored in  college,  as for the hype meter im not to concern about it, i would play this game regardless of the hype.

Then you are in the wrong college!

How can you be bored in college!?!?!?!

Originally posted by jircris

 If you dont like it then go play warhammer lol.

You'll have to explain where that came from.

Originally posted by Kainis

I think the melee ppl will have to watch out, because the casters/ rangers will be coming in like a squad of pigeons!  

LOL... love this line.

Originally posted by chillsan

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by chillsan

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by chillsan

I would hate to see that happen, I would not like this site to become like gamespot where it seems a sponsor has it's deep pockets influence what goes on the site.

 

The problem is that many players have lost sight of what these forums are for. They aren't fan forums they are private forums that are made available (free I might add) so that players can discuss games. However, it takes money to run them.

So if you want, (and I mean the "royal you") you can start your own site and have your members say whatever they want about any game.

But for a site on this level they need revenue. How do they get that? They sell advertising. And no company is going to advertise on a site where the players are hostile to their product.

To that end, if you had a product you wouldn't advertise on a site that lambasted it.

Now, you might say "but I'd use that as a wake up call to make the product better". True and good for you. However, if you can't make it better over night and you have employees to pay and rent to pay and equipment to maintain and insurance to pay and 401k's to pay into and medical etc, then you are most likely not going to be able to afford to advertise on a site that is hostile to your company.

 

You stated the obvious but still, this site shouldn't become like the aformentioned. Otherwise people do go to sites where they can discuss things in anyway they wish. That in turn means less visits, which means less revenue. A stock discussion is relevant to a game discussion in that said company is involved in game business. I agree that some posters get outta hand, but what I saw is they kept it in one thread and sorta just want to make themselves feel better about a company they are not happy with. It helps people vent their anger for what they perceive has been done wrong to them in some way. High powered stock brokers are not trolling these threads causing havoc and selloffs, most people who buy and sell make decisions based on financials, these are just gamers wishing to vent and come to place they feel comfortable. If they went and started plastering stock prices on every thread and hijacking other threads then I could the problem.

 

Well apparently it's not obvious.

It doesn't matter whether or not players would go to this site or not to discuss things freely.

I've seen this on the Lineag 2 boards for years. That board is a forum for the business and for the game. It is not there to foster anything other than discussion of the game and maybe some issues. But in no way, shape or form do players have free reign to discuss whatever they want to their heart's content. No business would allow such a thing unless they could implement whatever fixes that were required lightning fast.

Otherwisse they are essentially offering the players the noose to hang the company by.

So it ist with this site. This is not a fan site and is not paid for by us. It is a site that is paid for by advertising revenue. In some ways it is or can be thought of as a direct extension of the game companies.

it is what it is and offers, like many other sites, quite a lot of information about what's going on. Whether or not people think it's perfect is not the point.

this is not a set of forums by the players and for the players. So we have to live by the rules of these forums or go elsewhere.

There will always be people who will visit this and other forums who absolutely don't post on forums. They just don't. over the years I have been contacted by so many of these players who have questions but just don't post on forums as they don't feel comfortable doing so.

So whether or not playrers feel that they want to take posts elsewhere because they can't post how they like, doesn't really mean anything as there are so many other people who just use these forums as a source of information.

Until you or anyone else starts to pay for these forums I suspect that that is the way it will stay.

And like I said, players can feel free to start their own forums. However, as I've seen, though they might contain a lot of good information and allow a greater breadth of freedom they also lack a bit in moderation and eventually turn into something that most mature players (no matter the age) just won't put up with.

It just is what it is.

 

Yea but on Lin2 'NCSoft owned' company forums they also delete and curtail too many anti-bot posts, because that also hurts their profits, they are not going to come straight out and say or put it that way though. Even though plenty of posts still sneak through. This is on the other hand is an all around open board for discussion to an extent when people chose to remain civil.

As for the it is not directly paid for by us, our participation viewing and reading things here indirectly results in their being payed. It's all connected.

I also understand what you mean about the lurkers, some people are not able to seperate the facts from the lies and half truths, that's why a discussion like this is important. It's great you help out players in pm who just lurk as this place can certainly be unfriendly at times.

That is true, we are the people who indirectly pay for the ads. I guess my real point is that websites that rely on advertising need to seem like advertising friendly websites.

So yes, these forums can't become like the L2 official forums because as you pointed out, there will be a chunk of players who won't want to come here because they will feel like it isn't a good forum for discussion.  But they also have to make sure that their advertisers aren't taking a beating either as they will just pull funding.

I suppose this is why the American Newspapers have such a difficult time as we are constantly trying to balance the exact same thing. That is why private news sources are so important.

Originally posted by chillsan

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by chillsan

I would hate to see that happen, I would not like this site to become like gamespot where it seems a sponsor has it's deep pockets influence what goes on the site.

 

The problem is that many players have lost sight of what these forums are for. They aren't fan forums they are private forums that are made available (free I might add) so that players can discuss games. However, it takes money to run them.

So if you want, (and I mean the "royal you") you can start your own site and have your members say whatever they want about any game.

But for a site on this level they need revenue. How do they get that? They sell advertising. And no company is going to advertise on a site where the players are hostile to their product.

To that end, if you had a product you wouldn't advertise on a site that lambasted it.

Now, you might say "but I'd use that as a wake up call to make the product better". True and good for you. However, if you can't make it better over night and you have employees to pay and rent to pay and equipment to maintain and insurance to pay and 401k's to pay into and medical etc, then you are most likely not going to be able to afford to advertise on a site that is hostile to your company.

 

You stated the obvious but still, this site shouldn't become like the aformentioned. Otherwise people do go to sites where they can discuss things in anyway they wish. That in turn means less visits, which means less revenue. A stock discussion is relevant to a game discussion in that said company is involved in game business. I agree that some posters get outta hand, but what I saw is they kept it in one thread and sorta just want to make themselves feel better about a company they are not happy with. It helps people vent their anger for what they perceive has been done wrong to them in some way. High powered stock brokers are not trolling these threads causing havoc and selloffs, most people who buy and sell make decisions based on financials, these are just gamers wishing to vent and come to place they feel comfortable. If they went and started plastering stock prices on every thread and hijacking other threads then I could the problem.

Well apparently it's not obvious.

It doesn't matter whether or not players would go to this site or not to discuss things freely.

I've seen this on the Lineag 2 boards for years. That board is a forum for the business and for the game. It is not there to foster anything other than discussion of the game and maybe some issues. But in no way, shape or form do players have free reign to discuss whatever they want to their heart's content. No business would allow such a thing unless they could implement whatever fixes that were required lightning fast.

Otherwisse they are essentially offering the players the noose to hang the company by.

So it ist with this site. This is not a fan site and is not paid for by us. It is a site that is paid for by advertising revenue. In some ways it is or can be thought of as a direct extension of the game companies.

it is what it is and offers, like many other sites, quite a lot of information about what's going on. Whether or not people think it's perfect is not the point.

this is not a set of forums by the players and for the players. So we have to live by the rules of these forums or go elsewhere.

There will always be people who will visit this and other forums who absolutely don't post on forums. They just don't. over the years I have been contacted by so many of these players who have questions but just don't post on forums as they don't feel comfortable doing so.

So whether or not playrers feel that they want to take posts elsewhere because they can't post how they like, doesn't really mean anything as there are so many other people who just use these forums as a source of information.

Until you or anyone else starts to pay for these forums I suspect that that is the way it will stay.

And like I said, players can feel free to start their own forums. However, as I've seen, though they might contain a lot of good information and allow a greater breadth of freedom they also lack a bit in moderation and eventually turn into something that most mature players (no matter the age) just won't put up with.

It just is what it is.

Originally posted by solareus

The ability of the source of power is written into the lore :

Gandalf raised his staff and there was a roll of thunder and a flash of lightning, and Grima fell to the ground.

That's great. And reminds me I have to reread the books.

Gandalf was Istari.

Originally posted by chillsan

I would hate to see that happen, I would not like this site to become like gamespot where it seems a sponsor has it's deep pockets influence what goes on the site.

The problem is that many players have lost sight of what these forums are for. They aren't fan forums they are private forums that are made available (free I might add) so that players can discuss games. However, it takes money to run them.

So if you want, (and I mean the "royal you") you can start your own site and have your members say whatever they want about any game.

But for a site on this level they need revenue. How do they get that? They sell advertising. And no company is going to advertise on a site where the players are hostile to their product.

To that end, if you had a product you wouldn't advertise on a site that lambasted it.

Now, you might say "but I'd use that as a wake up call to make the product better". True and good for you. However, if you can't make it better over night and you have employees to pay and rent to pay and equipment to maintain and insurance to pay and 401k's to pay into and medical etc, then you are most likely not going to be able to afford to advertise on a site that is hostile to your company.

Originally posted by hobo9766

 

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Originally posted by SgtFrog
also what has stock prices gotta do wit mmorpg itself. gameplay wise...

 

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