Originally posted by Knytta
Smedley has always been very clear on that he personally prefer PVP and conflict you must read his twitter answers in that light. Maybe, just maybe he has been able to convince the Sony execs to do a Eve inspired pvp sandbox and in that case we will see. But all ideas that SOE only will release PVP servers are silly, most EQ and EQ2 players do not play on PVP servers and like it or not SOE wants to make money. There will be PVE servers everything else is unthinkable.

That was my thought.

I believe he has, in the past, indicated his admiration for EVE. I suspect there is a possibility that EQ next might have an "EVE like" structure. Not exactly like EVE but something similiar.

As I said, there is going to be "something" for those who don't want to pvp.

But we will know soon enough come August.

Originally posted by ClassicEQ

Oh my gosh when I read things like this I get really excited. EverQuest as a true, full sand box with open world PVP would be so perfect. I want a hard game, damn it. None of this GW2 crap.

 

I just hope there is truth behind his hype tweets.

 

If so, then it is time to stop playing in the bumper lane, kids. I'm ready to taste the sweet salty tears of people who diss hardcore games.

 

 

I have no doubt there is truth in his "hype tweets". I also firmly believe that there is more to it than others are capable of believing.

This is not going to manifest itself in a way that people think (especially per your last sentence).

EQ and EQ2 with a huge installed pve base and they are going to pass on that money? doubt it. And I'll eat my hat come august if there isn't "something more".

Originally posted by Bidwood

it will be non-consensual PVP. The key is that guy's statement about how the economy in a sandbox can't be healthy unless there's open-world PVP. If people can opt out, the economy will take a dive.

 

SOE can afford to take this risk because the game will be on PS4. Most console multi-player is PVP-centric, so even if all the PC gamers head for the hills they will still make crazy profit. However I'm thinking they designed this PVP in such a way that it fits in with the other game systems and is fun. Darkfall had good open-world PVP, but many players were turned off by the lack of substance in the other pillars of the game.

nope, sorry, not buying it.

As I said, they arent' going to make a game with this amount of effort and money without giving primarily pve players an alternative.

Just not going to happen. There will be "something". Like I said, it will be an alternate continent or alternate server but "something".

Originally posted by wordiz
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I think you guys are setting yourselves up (will wonders ever cease!!!! ) for a bit of a dissapointment. They aren't going to spend all this money and time and restarting a game several times just to solely make an open world pvp game.

If anything they will have either different continents with open pvp or some way for those who don't want to pvp to "bow out" (and can't wait to hear the screaming then) or they will offer alternate rules servers. this much money spent and they are going to want to capture as much of the mmo demographic as possible.

All he did was agree with one person on a point, he didn't define how it would manifest itself.

This is why hype can be bad and this is why we can't have nice things.

Originally posted by khameleon

This game is being hyped so much, IMO it is gonna be a massive letdown for people just sitting waiting for it.

Its already going free to play in Asia http://www.mmobomb.com/news/archeage-goes-f2p-in-korea/

The combat is the same old stuff as any other game. Combat is what makes games fun or not fun to me. 

The sandbox features are nice, but I have a feeling the game isn't as fun as its being hyped to be. 

I'm just gonna be playing Final Fantasy XIV and then try Elder Scrolls. Two games that have familiar worlds, items, characters and a place in all of our hearts for decades now.

And in that case, I appreciate where you are coming from. However, Combat might only be a small piece of the pie for someone who is more into building, crafting, creating a nation.

Though I won't be playing this game as I don't like several things about it, I don't really think it's overhyped at all.

The ability to plant, grow, harvest and use your own resources, the ability to, apparently, combine abilities and create your own classes, the ability to have war on the high seas, use gliders, and have limited looting, are not things that are done a lot so I can easily see people getting excited about this.

The ability to build right in the world.

There is a lot that is "special" about Archeage.

As far as your Final Fantasy answer, regardless of changing your class by changing weapon, the combat is still tab targetting, skills with cooldowns, etc.

So I still don't see how you can justify one over the other.

Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Originally posted by bubaluba
Archfage yea sure! Only game that have chance to dethrone wow is ESO. Cmone guys be realistic! Nobody cares about Everwhateverquest or some blackwhatever or wildgirlsonsomestrangecartoonplanet. ESO is the only one left with charismatic lore, rest is just waste op money. DESTINY PS4, ESO PC!  Forget about the rest

Does this post make sense to anyone?

Actually yes;

(people talk about) Archage (being the next big thing) yeah sure! (The) only game that will have a chance to dethrone WoW is ESO. come on guys, be realistic! Nobody cares about "Everwhateverquest" (EQ NEXT) or some blackwhatever (Black Desert) or wildgirlsonsomestrangecartoonplanet (Wild Star).

ESO is the only one left with charismatic lore; the rest is just a waste of money.

Destiny on playstation 4 and ESO on the PC. Forget about the rest.

Originally posted by Sawlstone

Originally posted by Shadanwolf
I think the concept of the game and the choice of Firor to lead the new company was excellent.His early descrition of his vision for the game  was exciting. I also think the direction the game has taken in the last few months has dramatically reduced my interest  and hope in what I thought was going to be a great AVA game.

I feel the same. No hard feeling toward anyone. Its just heading a direction I am not at all interested in. Maybe there is still hope since it is so far away from being launched....just maybe.

And none taken.

Though I love pvp I am more interested in the game when they say "multi-player elder scrolls".

I don't care about factions because in my experience the "new mmo player" doesn't care much about faction pride. I would sooner have a FFA pvp elder scrolls game.

However, anything that maximizes my freedom like a classic elder scrolls game (well the few that had this type of freedom) is ok in my book.

Originally posted by Naqaj

Any people?  - Marginally

Friends? - Very much

Yeah that's the same for me.

I want there to be people "around" to give the world vitality but I don't have to interact with them on a regular basis. I do enjoy interacting with the few friends I have who play online games.

Originally posted by bubaluba
If you suck in pvp do not play this game. You have  skyrim to play and stay there safe in your virtual world. MMO only pve is pure boredom . Thanks to heaven nobody in gaming industry  want to listen to such ridiculous opinions like you posted here

Or those who want strict pve can not only adventure in their own faction but they have two others at their disposal. Not to mention the adventure zones (which I suspect is one of the reasons for the delay.

So if people don't want pvp and they are interested in this game, they shouldn't listen to you.

Originally posted by tkreep

Originally posted by striderbob

There were minor latency issues, like getting behind a mob and still being hit by its frontal cone attack, or stunning a mob and having it still perform its ability. I even checked the combat log to be sure and sure enough

Mob is casting ability.

Mob receives the effect of stun.

Mob's ability hits you for 75.

The effect of stun fades from the Mob.

 

wut

were you on a japanese server, none of that ever happened to me

actually, I was on a japanese server but couldn't understand why no one was talking. that is usually not the norm for a beta. I then figured out I was on a japense server when some japanese characters printed across the chat box.

my connection was amazing (well, the interface indicated "good").

I then changed to  US/EU server (talking there) and didn't notice any difference.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Sovrath

So people should take a deep breath, lower your godly expectations and realize that the game can very well be "a good" sandbox and let it lie at that.

That wouldn't imply rectal leakage or loss of bowel control, right?

A reasonable level of expectation is maintained by a reasonable level of rhetoric.

Well, that "Depends"

har har I crack me up.

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

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Originally posted by Sovrath

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Originally posted by Foomerang So lets say August comes and we find out that EQ Next isnt the epic sandbox we were lead to believe. What if all the features that Bill saw were not actually implemented in the game yet and was simply a list of planned features they want to do.  

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my thoughts...

 

temper your expectations.

Why? Because the game very well might be, in the eyes of some, an epic sandbox. But in YOUR mind's eye it is very possible that any game will not fit/fulfill your requirements for epic sandbox.

So people should take a deep breath, lower your godly expectations and realize that the game can very well be "a good" sandbox and let it lie at that.

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That's pretty much where I'm livin with this game. I do find it interesting that the majority of us (myself included) are willing to believe what we do not yet see time and time again. Im glad we arent all cynics. But the irony is how open minded we are to games we know little to nothing about and then when we get actual info and game footage we nitpick it to death.

Well, case in point, SWToR...

I wasn't going to buy the game wasn't really interested but then said to myself "well, it's a bioware game", did some research, looked at their "stuff" bought it and it was "exactly what they said it would be" sans the pvp.

I was exactly what was in my mind's eye after reading Bioware's info.

And yet people felt cheated. So clearly what I read and what they read elicited different reactions/expectations.

Originally posted by Foomerang

So lets say August comes and we find out that EQ Next isnt the epic sandbox we were lead to believe. What if all the features that Bill saw were not actually implemented in the game yet and was simply a list of planned features they want to do.

 

my thoughts...

temper your expectations.

Why? Because the game very well might be, in the eyes of some, an epic sandbox. But in YOUR mind's eye it is very possible that any game will not fit/fulfill your requirements for epic sandbox.

So people should take a deep breath, lower your godly expectations and realize that the game can very well be "a good" sandbox and let it lie at that.

Originally posted by Incandela

 

 

How do you figure that? I'm just giving people the opportunity to give proof to their claim, as I have ALREADY done. Not surprised in the slightest nobody will take me up on the offer.

I don't blame people for their attitude either. Its easy to see this kind of lag and throw the beta card, and expect it to be fixed by launch. However anybody who played this game knows that this was a real problem for three years of the games original launch. Heck, read the comments on that first video. Go to the lodestone link in the description. Circles became triangles, damage from phantom voidzones, etc. The fact that its the EXACT SAME problem even on local servers should go to show that its not going away. And if you think it will after hearing all the facts, then you're naive and delusional.

The point being, it seems that there are a lot of people who are not experiencing this so perhaps it's you or your internet? Maybe you should take part in the beta and submit your info/questions/concerns. Additionally, if I'm not experiencing this with other players then I suspect I would still not see evidence of this.

As far as posting footage, the NDA said "no" to footage so I'm of the mind that unless they are  killing puppies or selling kids on the black market I don't see the need to break that.NDA.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Iselin

I would say that if you don't enjoy leveling, you don't enjoy RPGs. Something like an FPS would be more your style.

That's neat and all, but it seems you're assuming all MMOs should be or are RPGs. Otherwise your statement is irrelevant. Relevant or not, it's false.

"Long boring grind" is what the OP specifically addresses, which is different from progression one enjoys, correct?

 

 

long boring grind can be subjective.

Even though he used those terms he also states he doesnt' like leveling. So wouldn't that mean any leveling was a long boring grind?

I suppose there could be a "short" boring grind but how bad can 10 levels reallly be?

Originally posted by Loktofeit

 

I'd hopefully have the intelligence to realize what I'm looking for is retarded.

 

This!

Why would anyone who didn't like leveling leave to "level up again" and be at the exact same place? What is better, starting all over again only to end up with the same result or having 10 levels "dropped" on you and only have to make up those 10 levels.

And in the end this just means you shouldn't be playing games where leveling is a major part of game play.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by Sovrath
 

The graphics are definitely not at 1.0 quality. They have obviously tuned it down for lower end PCs.  The style and effects are still top notch, but it is noticeable.

I don't really thnk that's true. I think they are "different. One thing I've notice is"  that the lighting seems to make things brighter. the way the world seems "lit up" is different.

Originally posted by flizzer
Does anyone here think 1.0 looked better, or maybe these screenshots don't do the game justice.  The look was never the problem with the original. 

The game world actually looks amazing. Those screen shots don't do it justice.

This is with everything up to max of course so if you have to turn things down you won't get the same affect (obviously).

I have the same problem with Skyrim. The game looks amazing on my screen but the screen shots never do it justice.

As far as this game goes, The improvements are amazing. I will say that if people are tired of kill x/collect y quests and that's all they rely upon for play then they might have issues. I love the "main" quests and how they do the cut scenes. I was thinking that they really put aion to shame as the Aion devs indicated that the game would have cut scenes and it's like amateur hour.

The cities look great, the world feels great.

I even got a half decent looking bit of armor as a low level gladiator. The combat is fast but too flashy. I would say that is one of my gripes as there was a fate that spawned a type of boss mob and everyone started attacking it. I honestly COULDN'T tell what I was attacking. At all. Through the whole fight.

It wasn't until the boss mob gave up and walked away that I could see it was some sort of character.

Fates are fun but I think one's mileage may vary. They are essentially like spontaneous public quests were a mob invasion forms and everyone drops what they are doing to attack them. They might get more involved later on (and in last beta I had some mobs running for reinforcements where I was then wasted) but at the moment they seem to just be mob attacks.

I would say if you like final fantasy, like beautifully done worlds/characters, don't mind reading or listening to quest text (there is humor in this game "drop the pretzel, put it ON the ground and back away") and don't mind engaging in the other things this world has to offer such as crafting, then I can say this game is for you.

If you are one of those players who is looking for (and must play) the savior mmo this game won't do it.

Originally posted by Incandela

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Incandela

Originally posted by tkreep

Originally posted by Incandela

Here is the horribad movement lag that was present in 1.0: http://youtu.be/hIJCQs-R7X4

And here is how much they improved it through 3 years, a relaunch, and localized data centers: http://youtu.be/m3ZZDvMxjLk

Wondering why people were taking damage 20 feet clear of voidzones at E3? That's why. They've done nothing to fix it. Pretty new zones, quests from WoW, events from GW2, and the same old lag that makes any normal play a nightmare. Pass.

Made a new account just to troll on the game i see cuz I been playin it since last night and havent run into any lag.

Then you're blind, what can I tell ya. The videos speak for themselves.

Well, I concur with him I have noticed absolutely no lag as of yet.

Did you ever think that this was something to look into, you know, because it was a beta and they might want to know?

Maybe a few people are experiencing a lag "for some reason".

but I certainly am not.

 

I tell ya what. Give me your server and starting city. I'll run circles around you, and you can record footage to dispute the above videos. Then we'll see who is experiencing what.

or you can just be petulant.

Originally posted by Hokie

Originally posted by ZombieKen
I don't see how this is a surprise.  TES console numbers dwarfed the PC from what I've heard.

This is true.

And then what I heard is that to this day Skyrim is still selling decent on the PC. While sales for the console have almost dried up.

And when they are added up PC sales have almost overtaken the total number of console sales, and are then expected to do so within the year, and eventually to surpass it.

sorry but at this point I'm going to ask for "link".