With all this excitement and the sense of urgency, secrecy and exclusivity generated by only a restricted number of copy's being available for an exclusive limited early access launch I'm finding it quite hard to resist the urge to pre order myself, especially considering the low low price of only 50 Euros.

The question you have to ask yourself is, can you rely afford to miss out on this once in a lifetime opportunity?

I think this is spot on and a very accurate and comprehensive review of what state the game actually currently is in a few days from launch, but then again I would because I'm a troll vapor hater carebear WoW player after all.

I'm sure in reality its nothing like this whatsoever, that's why I'm pre ordering and I hope you all are too.

I agree many people will be confused by the lack of quests especially after reading Darkfalls official list of features.

I don?t like PvP, why should I even consider trying out Darkfall?

If you give it a chance, you?ll discover that Darkfall is an extremely well rounded game. For example, there?s as much effort going into the quest engine and the crafting process, as there is going into the combat design.

Darkfall features the ultimate player based economy, more useful trade skills than any other released MMORPG to date, advanced NPC and monster AI, and a quest engine constantly creating new and challenging content.

Furthermore, the game world is huge; you could move to a remote area with your friends and try to create a safe haven for other like-minded players.

Of course like 90% of the features listed in the official FAQ and 90% of what the developers have been saying for the last decade its all total BS.

But now its not just a wish list of BS to get the supporters hyped up anymore, its now also false advertisement and a bait and switch scam.

Yes it is good to know that we now have another sh*ty griefy grindy exploity "sandbox" game that we can all pre order for 50 Euros soon that we might be able to play on the 25th instead.

Did you read all of the beta tester feedback in those threads?, please explain how their impressions of the game could be any worse or more of a disappointment to people who believed the hype coming from Tasos and Co over the last 6 years.

Problem is we can't try the game out for ourselves, we have to preorder it for 50 euros, so please do explain why you think this game is not ready for release so you can help people make an informed purchase decision.

I'm not sure if you are correct about the moderators removing all negative posts, look at these two on the front page, pretty damning stuff, and not locked or deleted.

Any Beta Testers *Not* Like What They See?

Darkfall is the most frustrating game i have ever played

Originally posted by Darkstar111

 

When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.

 

 

A company doing a total U-turn and announcing it will offer preorders for a chance at early access to a limited staged launch for its game that's still in a state of early beta testing, that's still under NDA 1 week from its latest 'Launch' date, that has most of its features and content still 'turned off',and still apparently in 'debug mode' for 'testing purposes' awaiting a last minute wonder patch that will fix and add everything missing looks desperate to me.

 

The last few remaining members of Darkfalls passionate community that still have the courage to post on this website under their previous accounts that were promoting Darkfall up till recently as the holy grail and next coming of open PvP sandbox MMO's that called anyone who disagreed with them 'trolls' that have now resorted to the "yeah but they don't owe us anything so stop whining its got potential and their only poor independent developers that never lie or do any wrong" spiel looks desperate to me.

 

Why you would think someone who's entire list of 'troll hater' predictions have unfortunatly all come true recently would be desperate I fail to see, I'm just enjoying the fireworks, get over it.

 

 

Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it.

Yes it was also not released in 2003,2004,2006,2007, "within 2008", or "Jan 22nd 2009" like they thought or led us to believe, and it might not on "Feb 25th 2009", so get over it and stop whining Aventurine has not lied or done any wrong, get over it.

 

U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.

 

 

Yeah I have friends in beta who don't like the game, get over it, hopefully for Aventurine they are the minority and if they keep getting banned for 'trolling' when expressing criticism and saying this game is no where near ready to launch on the 25th they will be, so get over it.

 

-Darkstar

-Polarization who's desperately rehashing the usual troll rubbish with his so called famous sarcasm, get over it.

Did I mention you should get over it and stop whining because they never lied or done any wrong because my quote proves it and I say so, anyone who disagrees with me is only trolling, so get over it and stop whining because its only a game so get a life and stop wasting your time.

 

Originally posted by Respit

Too bad I have to go to work in a few.

If your gonna quote, then get it right.

Tasos made that statement. Did you even read the whole thing?

I'll link it up again for ya. 

The part you quoted is the last one on the first page.

 

Darkfall Update Interview   November 28, 2005

Oh the irony, using a Tasos quote from 2005 to 'prove' Tasos and Aventurine have never lied or done anything wrong, what were you thinking?

"Aventurine comes out of its virtual information blackout to let us in on the status of its fantasy-themed online world"

Good to see they have improved their community relations so much over the last 4 years, thankfully those virtual information blackouts are a thing of the distant past.

"Claus Grovdal: Darkfall is freedom to have fun straight from the box. There are no set grinds that you need to go through in order to enjoy the end game. There's no level grind, no money grind, no item grind."

Anyone in Beta will tell you that is total BS, Darkfall is a grindtastic grindathon grindfest up there amongst the greatest Free to Play Asian grinders.

Tasos Flambouras: Fans have been speculating and/or hoping that Darkfall is "the new Ultima Online" or "Shadowbane done differently". We don't think of Darkfall like that.

Good because non of your fans will either.

Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website.

4 years later...

Tasos Flambouras: Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.

4 years later ... and then just continuously delay it after saying you would never announce it until you were sure you would meet it.

Henning Ludvigsen: Graphically, the longer development time has given us a chance to make the art better, improve the animations, etc.

Improve the animations, good one!, but wait, we are seeing the improved animations?, imagine what they must of been like before they were 'improved'

Tasos Flambouras: But the main reason is that we decided that it's time to show Darkfall, rather than keep talking about it - we believe that it will speak for itself better than we ever could.

That's why 4 years later Darkfall beta is still under NDA 1 week from launch, so it can speak for itself.

And that's why over the last 4 years Darkfall has never been shown to the mainstream gaming press.

And Tasos never has stopped talking about it, because Tasos's and a few of his friends and supporters could speak for Darkfall better then Darkfall ever could for itself, even 1 week from launch.

Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game.

4 years later ... but now we find out we have to preorder to get a chance to play test the game, after you said there would never be preorders and we would all get a chance to try the game before buying it.

Claus Grovdal: We're looking forward to the clan beta test where we'll get the chance to play around with the various rulesets.

Whatever happened to that clan beta in 2005?, oh yea right.

Everyone who pre orders will already be donating money to save Darkfall.

All of Darkfalls major features are finished and fully tested but currently just not turned on under two weeks from launch for testing purposes, honest, that's the truth, you might of heard this many times before from other untrustworthy developers and their passionate community's, but this time its definitely different I can personally assure you.

Aventurine want the public beta testers limited to only the most basic elements of early poorly implemented unfinished buggy unbalanced lackluster frustrating tedious rudimentary empty boring game play features and content because that is how they will assure that all of the rest of Darkfall is fully tested, feature complete and ready for release, including the majority of its features and content that are currently turned off.

All the features and content listed on the FAQ and more that the developers have been claiming for the last decade are implemented in Darkfall have already been fully tested by Aventurines professional testers, and you can see what a great job they have done on what little of the game we have seen so far so obviously there's no need to worry about the state of rest of the game.

Everything will hopefully be fixed and turned on and fully tested sometime after you have preorderd and are waiting to get early access to Darkfalls limited pay to beta release after it launches on the 25th or perhaps later depending on how Aventurine decide to stage it purely for your benefit of course.

And I'd like to remind everyone that Darkfalls "limited" "staged" "preorder for a chance at early access" "launch" on the 25th is not just another delay by a different name, repeat it is not another delay of anykind it is purely Aventurine attempting to accommodate the overwhelming unexpected demand they are experiencing after Tasos hyped Darkfall for 6 years and announced sign ups for their open beta and allowing 300,000 people to apply with promises of everyone getting a chance to try before buying their finished, feature complete, fully tested ready to release revolutionary advanced groundbreaking next generation game.

Kishe stop trolling, the publishing deal partnership agreement Aventurine announced with a virtually unknown Greek Dvd distributor with no previous experience with MMO's or games or online subscription services last year that has so far done nothing 2 weeks from launch, showed Aventurine was a totally legitimate company, conclusively put an end to accusations that Darkfall was vaporware, and proved beyond doubt that Darkfall really is feature complete, fully tested and ready for release and definitely not a scam.

You are not qualified nor do you possess the faculties necessary to interpret or appreciate the real meaning of his words, because you are a troll hater carebare go back to WoW.

Tasos is only speaking to the real Pro elite veteran hardcore sandbox non linear open PvP gamers who want a full freedom revolutionary next generation advanced groundbreaking title, we are the only people truly worthy of understanding what he is really saying.

I am the second most intelligent person on these forums and I can prove it, so you should probably listen to what I am saying, and I encourage you all to preorder as soon as possible so you all have the best chance of hopefully getting early access to this awesome game that's better then any other current MMO.

Everything was fixed in the last patch or will be soon and all the debug mode medium settings for testing purposes features have been or will be turned on before launch, its got potential, please preorder.
 

Those are his words but your troll hater poor reading comprehension, unrealistic expectations and ignorance of the reality's of Indy MMO development and translation errors make you incapable of understanding what Tasos actually really meant.

Remember they are not promises anyway only predictions so Tasos has never lied, preorder as soon as possible so you don't miss out on a chance for early access!

Secretly I'm a little disappointed that Tasos, Aventurine and Darkfall have finally been revealed to actually be everything I had predicted they might be.

Only thing left to do now is sit back and watch the final meltdown fireworks when whatever's left of this games passionate community that falls for this trap and actually preorders implodes in on itself and Aventurine on the 25th or whenever this game finally "launches".

2/3rds of Tasos's friends, long term supporters and affiliated guild members in beta think Darkfall is the best MMO ever, where do I preorder?

Remember kids some of us are now finally admitting that this game is still in a very early stage of beta development and only has a fraction of what's been promised actually implemented but it has a HUGE WORLD!, its a SANDBOX!, and its got POTENTIAL!, so lets PREORDER!

Now let me try and remember what happened to the last game that only had a very limited inadequate public beta phase, offered preorders for early access, released unfinished, kept the NDA up until launch, had developers who were liars and BS'ers and also had a huge world, and was apparently a sandbox that had potential according to its supporters.

Translations for the unfamiliar usage of these words:

HUGE WORLD = empty lifeless deserted wilderness sparsely populated by random groups of mobs and nothing much else that you can spend countless hours "exploring".

SANDBOX = players are expected to entertain themselves and create content with whatever tools are available after they have finished grinding skills and resources because there's nothing else to do, availability and quality of entertainment and content solely dependent on player population and implemented tools.

POTENTIAL = nearly everything promised by the developers has the potential to be implemented at some time in the future after release.

No sir you are mistaken, Darkfall is the only game that has all those fantastic advanced revolutionary never seen before in any other game features, I have never actually played Darkfall nor even ever heard of any of those other inferior games you are ranting about you silly troll hater, but I can assure you I am 100% totally correct because Tasos said so and I believe him, and 2/3rds of Tasos's friends polled said Darkfall is the best game ever so I must be right.

If you had spent 5 nanoseconds researching the game on youtube yourself instead of making this pointless irrelevant wall of text rant saying nothing new you would see proof that Darkfall has the most revolutionary advanced groundbreaking next generation triple A combat system of the future that will send shock waves around the MMO industry for years to come for yourself.

Instead of whining about things you don't understand why don't you just go away and play all those other carebear WoW clone rubbish easy mode games you like and leave us hardcore elite sandbox veteran open PvP gamers to the only game of its type left that we have been waiting 8 years for, we don't need you and your not worthy enough to play are game anyway its only for superior gamers of the highest quality who appreciate what the developers have truly achieved.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

 First thing ill do is probably the starter quest, just to get used to the UI and the surroundings.

But then I think ill start with crafting, and move on to train lesser magic and greater magic.

 

-Darkstar

 

Actual gameplay translation:

First thing ill do is click on the NPC standing near to me when I spawn for the generic kill quest to collect axes from goblins, because there's nothing else.

Then ill attempt to accommodate the many deficiencies of the clunky, unintuitive unfinished UI.

Then ill run around the empty lifeless barren world at a snails pace until I get bored.

Then ill start on the generic click grind fest that is crafting, and stop rather soon after.

Then ill move on to the poorly thought out, barely implemented and woefully unbalanced generic click grind fest that is the magic system, and stop rather soon after when I realize the starting melee weapon still does more damage.

Then while I set up my macro program for this revolutionary next generation advanced groundbreaking title that's a refreshing change from all the other unfinished clones the industry keeps producing, I will try to convince myself that this games still got potential and was worth waiting 8 years for, and that they still have a few weeks till release and that they will probably patch in and turn on everything else soon, and they are still in debug mode and medium graphics settings for testing purposes anyway so everything will hopefully be ready and finished for the 25th and they can still delay again anyway.

Darkfall did not start development in 2001.

It was announced as being in development in 2001, with a predicted release date for 2003.

Razorwax was formed in 2000, that is when development on Darkfall started.

Claus started planning and pre development of Darkfall in 1995. 

Razorwax, its developers and Claus himself have officially said this in several interviews and on their own old website.

If Darkfall launches commercially in 2009 it will of been in various forms of development for 15 years.

6 in planning and pre development, 9 in full development.

Hard to believe but true, and often ignored or denied by supporters.

But its hardly surprising considering their circumstances, financial constraints and the ambitious nature of the project, not to mention their inexperience and amateurism.

Considering only this it's hardly surprising this game and its developers attract so many "troll haters" aka skeptics and critics.

When one factors in the years of lies, BS, unsubstantiated claims, and outrageous boasts and the past activity and behavior of its "passionate community" its inevitable.
 

What do you mean "lets see the features", you have seen all the features already.