Originally posted by NetSage

My recommendation is find a Corp.  Playing with another noob may help a little but overall not the best :P.  While it may seem like the recruitement channel is only looking for dedicated older players (older than 1-6 months) there are those who aren't.  Like the one I joined last week is very casual friendly but they don't have plans for PVP right now (which works for me right now).  They also have a 1% tax rate which is also good for me.

So just keep looking and watching for one that you think will work for you.

You really should find a corp. You will learn exponentially more from players with experience.

Eve Universioty is a great corp for new players.

Kyleran, you KNOW you want to come back  :)

Just do it.

I don't believe a word you say.

Originally posted by Riverstar

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Kshahdoo

 

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Originally posted by MadnessRealm
I don't think OP's problem with DarkFall is that he lost his loot, but rather HOW he lost it. New Players are unable to defend themselves for several months, they get killed so easily by Veterans and Veterans can catch up anytime with Bunnyhopping.
 
New Players can't:
1:Kill the Vet.
2:Run away on foot from the Vet
3:Run away on a mount from the Vet
 
The only thing that's left for them is to stand still and wait to get killed/ganked. Any effort of running away is futile for the first few weeks.
 
That's what seems to be OP's issue with the game. Loot is too easy to come across to matter that much. But being completly defenseless without any possibility of survival is ludicrous.

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Lol man. I was playing vanila World of Warcraft on PvP server, so you just don't know what gank looks like. DF is pretty noob friendly comparing to that experience...

Yeah....and Vanilla WoW is a great reference right?

I played UO, SB, etc. The grind in both those games was fine, you could max out rather quickly to compete, meaning that you could defend yourself against "Vets" much sooner. Hell, in SB a Lv.39 could kill a Lv.75 if you're good and know what you're doing.

 

But DarkFall isn't even close to that. Veterans have an overwhelming advantage over new players because they have all the skills possible. New Players have no chance to even run away, let alone defending themselves. If the game really relied on player-skills, this wouldn't happen, sadly it's not the case. And AV is not going in the right direction to adress this.

You need to translate vet=pvp beast=those who invested 1000+ hours (or is it 10k+ now we getting closer to 2 years mark) into their toon cause casual "vets" get beaten out the crap by newer chars then themselves who have invested more playtime then themselves.

Once you have put up that in perspective you might also take into considaration that you are not ina 1 vs 1 arena in Darkfall too.

Exactly this.  The great thing also is that these people become well known and should be avoided whenever possible, unless of course you are out to make a name for yourself.  God I love Darkfall.

A little off topic, but I'm still on a high from the pvp we had last night.  Reds roll into our city with us scattered around the area.  We gather outside the city and press in to attack but they leave and spawn a boat in the ocean and start doing asset destruction.  We repair the cannon tower that we are shooting back with but then head out to get the boat.  A lot of cat and mouse with them driving away when we swim to close.  Then a separate group from the enemy alliance shows up and pinches between the boat and the land.  Lots of fighting ensues with our group getting wiped a few times but we keep regearing and putting pressure on them.  Then another neutral clan happened to show up and steal the boat from our enemies and didn't attack us.  As we are moping up the remnants of the enemy, another enemy group shows up, oblivious to everything that happened before.  Another battle ensues and we win that one.  This happened over a few hours.

I know of no other game in which stuff like this could have happened.  It is simply an amazing game.

It is an amazing game, if you have your skills high enough to defend yourself. I have had some great times in this game, but still being not even a month old character, I get frustrated as hell ALOT. It took me awhile to make some arrows (with mining the ore and wood and then making them) I put half in the bank and then proceed to go hunt in an out of the way area. Well on the way I get ganked and lose all my arrows.

I then decide it is time to go back to my clan. Well they are halfway across the map. I get my trusty mount, and head out to them. I bind at a chaos stone about 1/4 of the way there. Traveled another 25 min without finding any other binds and promptly get ganked by 2 reds (I was completely naked so what was the incentive?) and end up 25 min back at the chaos bindstone. 

I love the open world, the skilling up of archery, and my clan was awesome, but I work full time, and to get nothing accomplished everytime I log in because I keep getting ganked is not my idea of fun. I realized that yes, I do not have the personality or patience anymore to lose my gear and progress in games. It is sad because this game was tons of fun. If they came up with a server that had no full loot options and they finally get the alignments fixed where the alfar, wolves, orcs vs. elves dwarves, humans instead of getting ganked by your own race I may come back. Until then I had a great ride in my month I played for only $7.50.

Arrows? I've been only playing 2 days and already have like 400 arrows just from killing goblins. Just use your melee weapon to kill monsters that have arrows for awhile until you get some.

I've been "ganked" 2 times already in 2 days, but oh well. I keep most my stuff in my bank. I know you aren't whining, but you seem to want the devs to make the game easier for you or something.

It's not that bad.

Originally posted by fallenlords

 I especially like the space battles when you see an enemy far away, approach, and it turns out to be six ships. What you thought would be easy turns out to be a frantic/hectic fight for survival. 

 

 

Is there a death penalty now if your ship blows up? I just don't see how it can be that frantic or hectic if your ship respawns 15 seconds later. If I, as a player, haven't really anything invested in my ship, it doesn't seem all that crucial in any way at all.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by gholston

I don't think a lot of you guys that are saying how unfair it is really get it.

Alliances lose Titans all the time which are worth 40 billion isk or more. This is the same thing. It's just an in game item. All items in Eve have value,from the Kestrel to the PLEX. They can all be bought with ISK (that's in game money). ISK has a real world value of both player time to acquire it and an estimated street value in RL money.

 

1 PLEX cost say 300 million ISK in game. This could be 2 Heavy Assualt Cruisers or whater.

 

The problem is, most dolts don't assign any value to their TIME they invest in a game acquiring said in game money. This has RL value as well.

 

Normally this is children who just don't get the value of what their time is.

No, gametime do not equal any RL value when it comes to money. Nor do watching TV, nor do taking a walk in the park. Not counting the 'equipment' needed for those things. Your work pays you so you are able to have free time, the salary is not there so you can work... yes you are getting paid to work. Note the difference.

The time spent playing a game or take a walk do not make a difference on you monetary assets...

Either way. When some alliances pay upwards 100 billion ISK in rent. What is measly 22 billion? C'mon running a plex in mediocre 0.0 gave me 200 million ISK last time.

My work doesn't pay me so that I can have free time. I work for myself. You are making the assumption that work has to suck, and some guy pays you to do it.

It is STILL your time. Your time and effort involved in something with a goal to get something out of it (money).

Whereas Eve is YOUR time involved so that you can get something out of it (ISK, better ships, skils etc)

You can get satisfaction out of work just as you can out of Eve. It just depends on what you do.

I don't think a lot of you guys that are saying how unfair it is really get it.

Alliances lose Titans all the time which are worth 40 billion isk or more. This is the same thing. It's just an in game item. All items in Eve have value,from the Kestrel to the PLEX. They can all be bought with ISK (that's in game money). ISK has a real world value of both player time to acquire it and an estimated street value in RL money.

1 PLEX cost say 300 million ISK in game. This could be 2 Heavy Assualt Cruisers or whater.

The problem is, most dolts don't assign any value to their TIME they invest in a game acquiring said in game money. This has RL value as well.

Normally this is children who just don't get the value of what their time is.

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Well best of luck to you Hagonbok on your crusade. Maybe you can get something like a PAC going with similar ragers and preach the injustice you think you were dealt. I'll tend to believe people have enough common sense to grab the trial and see if he game or any game is worth paying and playing for rather than listen to rage quiters and over confident fans in forums. In the end it's still opinion and people like different things.

Best of luck on that mission of yours. If you get bumper stickers made or billboards out let me know and take some good pictures for us to see.

Have a good weekend.

Ask the lifetime sub buyers if this logic holds true.

Well, I, for one, would much rather walk goats and tend to my bees than be involved with STO.

I say "Cheers", and good move sir.

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by gholston

Eve Online is a great game, as long as you don't have A.D.D.

 OMG. I have a friend that has A.D.D so bad the poor guy can,t even carry on a conversation but OMG he plays EvE online like a god, the guy has 6 accounts now and dual 60" monitors. Every time I go to his house I drool. The dude blows my mind talking EvE theory and explaining stuff and EvE concepts, everytime I leave his house my head is spinning. If you are new to EvE and you play Solo and have no people skills or social abilities NO you won't like it. EvE is a game unlike no other and you MUST communicate with others and MUST get in a player run Coorporation ASAP>! And some player run coorps just don't have a clue either you MUST find one that does! And you will be amazed at what goes on in the universe that 70 % of the players have no idea about....

Check out the Video here... This kinda shit really does happen and frequently ... I have seen it!

http://play.eveonline.com/en/home.aspx

Oh please. The only thing complex about EvE is figuring out how such a sad arsed boring game has lasted this long. It has very little that can't be found in pretty much any other PvP oriented mmo, and what it does have that is unique to it is dull dull dull dull.

Strange how it gets such great reviews and ratings.

Originally posted by negentropy

Originally posted by gholston

Yeah I suppose it's about as dorky as your halfling fishing in LOtR eh?

 

I find it humorous that you are even posting in a thread asking what other good space mmos are out there, ragging on ppl that suggest Eve, as if you are the authority on anything but purple wizards and halflings in a pve love fest.

 

But please, carry on.

Nice addition to your post after the fact, but I'll bite...

I find it humorous that you are even posting in a thread asking what other good space MMO are out there, ragging on ppl that DON'T suggest Eve, as if you are the authority on anything but rage-o-holic pilots and prosthetic metallic extensions for what is lacking in the groin area in a purely PvP gank fest.

 

But please, carry on.

Hehe. Make sure you tell Twinkle-tits the Elf that you need more wood for your magic arrows  :)

See, I can bash your game too. Have fun in your safe little padded amusement park.

Yeah I suppose it's about as dorky as your halfling fishing in LOtR eh?

I find it humorous that you are even posting in a thread asking what other good space mmos are out there, ragging on ppl that suggest Eve, as if you are the authority on anything but purple wizards and halflings in a pve love fest.

But please, carry on.

Here's a nice video for you created by CCP themselves.

HTFU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

F1-F10 FTW !!!

People that don't like Eve either mine for 3 months or run missions and think that's what the game is. Then they accidentally jump into low sec, get barbecued and quit. Then they go back to WoW, which is exactly where they should have stayed.

Eve players are a different breed. They are not coddled by the game, nor do they want to be.

Another funny thing I just thought about too is the unanimously great ratings Eve gets with almost every MMO site including this one.

But again...  You actually have to have an attention span longer than that of a gnat.

I guess that's why I like the Eve community too.

Originally posted by AzurePrower

 

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Originally posted by GTwander

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Originally posted by AzurePrower
 

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Originally posted by GTwander

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Originally posted by AzurePrower
Notice how all the people that love EVE are always praising it on the forums instead of playing the game?

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As long as the skill-training queue is going, they *are* technically playing it and progressing while AFK.

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Wouldn't you rather a game you can play instead of going AFK and letting it play it for you?

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You know I was being facetious, but feel free to mouth off, it suits you.

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Not mouthing off. Just showing the pretty painted portrait for what it really is. All the EVE fan boys and girls always seem to get on the defensive when their favourite MMO is revealed to be less than godly from another perspective.

Yeah, funny, I just got done fighting in about 4 engagements in null sec tonight. I never play tho. lol.

Problem with Eve is you actually have to make an effort to learn the game and find your niche. Most people that hate it is because they just couldn't find that purple wizard with the giant exclamation point over his head.

That happen to you?

Eve Online is a great game, as long as you don't have A.D.D.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by gholston

Always baffles me why people pay 15 dollars a month to play an MMORPG solo.

 

Makes absolutely no sense.

  People like to see other people (not npc's) running around inside the game they are playing, it gives the game some personality, some life, after a couple of quests they may chat for awhile, if a boss is to hard they may group, but if they are like me a group isnt always desireable because you have to follow along with the group dynamics.  same reason why people dont get married, like to date-yes , do I what to live with that person or any person THE REST OF MY LIFE nope

Alright. Still just seems completely counter intuitive to playing an MMO, but I see your point.

No need for me to hijack the thread. Apologies

Always baffles me why people pay 15 dollars a month to play an MMORPG solo.

Makes absolutely no sense.