All Posts by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by Neanderthal

 

Originally posted by komarr

Pulling things back to the original topic.  While AoC has PvE, PvP and raiding, some people will never pvp or raid.  Some will only pvp.  People will play those parts of any game they like and leave the rest.   There is no rule that says people have to use every part of a game they buy.

Wow!   That sounds great!

 

Except...if you want to keep progressing your character (and you'll need to if you want to stay competative) you'll have to farm pve raids.

"But..but..but, aren't pvp and pve gear seperate?" 

 NO, PVP AND PVE GEAR ARE NOT SEPARATE.  My God, that's the biggest load of BS hype there is about this game.  And I can't even blame the devs for this misconception because they NEVER said this.  This idea was invented by fans who WANTED it to be that way and then convinced each other that it would be.  The complicity of the devs in the misinformation is simply that they allowed the misconception to flourish and grow and didn't make any real attempt to set people straight.

The way it works is that PvE stats on items and PvP stats on items will STACK with each other when the item is used in PvP.  When the item is used for PvE only the PvE stats count.  This means that an item with great big PvE numbers on it will have great big numbers in PvP as well.  But an item that only has great big PvP stats on it won't be worth jack sh-t in PvE.

They did it this way to prevent people from using PvP items to bypass raid progression, NOT to prevent overpowered raid items from being used in PvP.

But it's practically a moot point anyway since they decided to set up PvP rewards in such a way that only people who grind PvP like a full time job will ever get the PvP item rewards.

"But..but..but, can't I make crafted items for PvP?"

Sure you can.  But if you want to make anything worthwhile you'll have to farm raids for the materials. 

In addition to that you are barred from making the best crafted stuff if you're not in a big guild.  See, you have to be in a guild with a instanced city of a certain tier or you can't even make the best of the crafted stuff.  And to have a city like that you'll need a fairly large guild.  That's part of their plan to push people into big guilds because they figure that once you're in the big guild you'll happily dedicate your life to raiding and all will be well.

You don't believe what I'm saying?  Copy this post and save it.  Then if it's all proven wrong after release you come back to this board and repost it and throw it in my face and laugh and laugh and laugh at how you pwned me.

Very nice. So hardcore raiders will have an advantage over hardcore PvP players. Guess this means that PvP gear will be plentiful at the auction house. Still doesn't change the fact that the winners stay on top and no one else will have the ability to move up in PvP.

It isn't conspiracy theory to complain about how all your options lead nowhere.

The American political system is binary in nature. You can vote for a corporate theocracy or a socialist republic. There really isn't any political party in America that honestly supports th American ideals of liberty and personal freedom.

No matter who you vote for:

• We're still going to have a wasteful war on drugs.
• The government is still going to try to mandate who we have sex with, how we have sex and who we can marry.
• You still aren't going to have the right to defend yourself from violence.
• Government institutions are still going to push Christianity despite the separation of church and state.
• You're still going to have extreme limitations on the right to assemble.
• Their is still not going to be any public controlled media or non-corporate news media.
• There will be an increase in the number of police officers.
• We still won't leave Iraq.

So yeah, It's like choosing between leprosy and syphilis.

Originally posted by Briansho

 

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

So just found out the bad news about Age of Conan.

For those of you that don't know, AoC is going to be all about the raiding and raid gear. To get the best gear in the game, you're going to have to raid. You can't start raiding until you hit level 80, but since you'll be playing offline till level 60 that may not seem so bad. To make it sting just a little bit less, the raids will only be 24 players max.

PvP? Yeah, it's hardcore... If you call losing XP every time you get killed "hardcore." It's even possible for your progress to be lowered to zero for your level if you get killed too much. Did I mention that you only get between 1/2 to 1/3 of the XP for a killed in relation to how much you lost from death? And just to make sure that you're really hurting, the gear you get from PvP still won't be as good as what you get from raiding.

Why do developers pull this shit? We all hate grind. We've all been very vocal about hating grind. We've voted with our dollars by buying WoW and Guild Wars by the truckload because they confined grinding to the end game. Is this really so hard to figure out?

Vangaurd tried twisting the knife too and look what happened. A game that could have been a haven for old schoolers got sunk by bugs, which the olde skoolers wouldn't put up with, and apathy from casuals that wanted no part of the massive treadmill.

I was kind of hoping that AoC would bring something interesting to the table in regards to combat and PvP. As it stands, AoC is a one trick pony that's relying entirely on the novelty of it's combat system and IP to attract gamer interest. It will, but titties and semi-real-time combat are probably not going to hold that interest.

 

Thats a pretty carebear statement. Based on all this info if you go out and pay for this game and play it, then come back here and whine then I have no sympathy for you. Dude, WTF??

HAHAHAHAHA!! He used the word "CAREBEAR!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You are one clever guy! I've never heard that before! Did you make that up yourself? "Carebear" HA! priceless! Really, you should have your own radio show or something. Your wit is really incredible...

Personally, I have no tolerance for raiding and adding another raiding treadmill to MMO mix is like making yet another freaking Halo clone in the FPS genre. Been there, done that, didn't even get a damn T-shirt. You're mileage may vary, of course.

The concept for the PvP is straight up broken. The result of these moves is a bell curve where those at the top become invincible and those at the bottom can never catch up enough to even be moderately competent. Even if those that fall behind learn to play, their new found skill will be offset by the stat penalties that they've incurred. Those at the top will have not only have their natural understanding of the game, but also a nice fat gear advantage.

AoC is still an RPG no matter what direction Funcom spins it. Build, stats and random rolls are still going to decide the outcome of most combat encounters. If you handicap in favor of the winning best team and against the worst team, guess who's always going to win and who's always going to finish last. This system shuts down the mobility that is crucial to actual competition. Use your brain and think about it rather than trying to wave your epeen.

BTW, I'll admit that I'm way off on the offline component in this game, but no one else seems to have a concrete number either. On this thread we've heard that the offline part ends at level 5 or it end at level 20. Which is it? Does anyone actually know?

And now because I just can't get enough macho insecure, primal chest beating, fratboi asshatary, I will describe my current fixation...

I wandered into to the local military surplus store, because I had never been before and wanted to check it out, the other day and noticed that in the back room they seemed to be running a gun shop. I wandered back there and then noticed that most of the guns had a little orange band around the barrel tips. I've been aware of airsoft for quite some time now, but I never realized just how life-like some of these guns were. Many of them being full metal replicas of guns that I either can't afford or just can't legally own in this state. It's a wonder that I didn't walk out of the store with one.

Now I haven't played paintball in almost five years. I still have an old Tippman collecting dust in one of the cavernous closets in this apartment. I don't even think they manufacture that model anymore to be honest. The gun itself was probably about $150 when I bought it and it certainly wasn't tournament material. The cost of the "marker" wasn't the real paycheck killer though; it was the cost of paint, CO2, and time at the field that would run me up to about $70 every couple of weeks all summer long.

Anyway, the guy that was watching the store came back and asked me if he could help me with anything so I asked the price on a few of the guns. Turns out that I could get an entry level plastic gun for around $50 with the full metal guns hovering between $150 to $300 depending on what type of replica it was. Behind the counter he actually had a full metal Browning M60 replica with a $3000 price tag on it. So my eyes are like dinner plates and I'm thinking about how much I can drop and not starve till my next paycheck, and not be murdered in my sleep by the wife, when he asks me if I'd like to fire one of 'em. My jaw literally dropped. I've been to paintball stores and the only way that they'd let you try the gun out first is if they were attached to a field and had one they could rent you.

So I say yes, and pick out a hawt looking M4 and the guy walks me over to a BB target trap and hands me the gun and a clip. A God Damn Clip! The operation of the gun is exactly the same as the actual M4 so I slap the clip in, pull back the bolt, turn it to full auto (not possible on a real M4, but who cares) and unload....

Well, there wasn't any kick to it so to speak, but it had an impressive rate of fire. I was also told that it was electric (which explained the buzzing noise when I held down the trigger) which meant I wouldn't have to buy CO2 or Nitrogen for it. Looking at the plastic BBs that the guns use, I could buy 5000 of them for $10. You can't even get 2000 painballs for less than $25.

I'm almost sold on this. It costs less, looks more authentic and even if I never play an airsoft game, I can still plink empty beer cans in the backyard with it. Although, I've determined through research that airsoft guns are created pretty much equal from a functional perspective. In paintball, a more expensive / higher quality gun wins every time. In airsoft, the extra cash is for the sake of a more realistic looking gun.

I'm sure that I can't be the only person that's played paintball on this forum. I'm also sure that there are probably a few airsoft players here as well. I'd like to know what you guy's opinions are in regards to this matter. Lets just try to keep the stupidity level low, k?

So just found out the bad news about Age of Conan.

For those of you that don't know, AoC is going to be all about the raiding and raid gear. To get the best gear in the game, you're going to have to raid. You can't start raiding until you hit level 80, but since you'll be playing offline till level 60 that may not seem so bad. To make it sting just a little bit less, the raids will only be 24 players max.

PvP? Yeah, it's hardcore... If you call losing XP every time you get killed "hardcore." It's even possible for your progress to be lowered to zero for your level if you get killed too much. Did I mention that you only get between 1/2 to 1/3 of the XP for a killed in relation to how much you lost from death? And just to make sure that you're really hurting, the gear you get from PvP still won't be as good as what you get from raiding.

Why do developers pull this shit? We all hate grind. We've all been very vocal about hating grind. We've voted with our dollars by buying WoW and Guild Wars by the truckload because they confined grinding to the end game. Is this really so hard to figure out?

Vangaurd tried twisting the knife too and look what happened. A game that could have been a haven for old schoolers got sunk by bugs, which the olde skoolers wouldn't put up with, and apathy from casuals that wanted no part of the massive treadmill.

I was kind of hoping that AoC would bring something interesting to the table in regards to combat and PvP. As it stands, AoC is a one trick pony that's relying entirely on the novelty of it's combat system and IP to attract gamer interest. It will, but titties and semi-real-time combat are probably not going to hold that interest.

It's kinda hard to go anywhere when you're chained to a treadmill....

BTW, UO is just as much of a treadmill as anything else out there. The difference is that you get more of a choice between treadmills.

Originally posted by Obiyer

 

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Originally posted by goneglockin

Then there's ridiculous CoF penalties the shooting element of the game. It basically turns the gameplay into a competition of classes and role appropriateness- because that determines the outcome of a fight more than the skill of two evenly matched players will.

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Yes! You read my mind, I want the smooth kills of CS. There is recoil control and managing your spread in FPS's like Planetside for one but they are more extravagant in most cases.

My grievance isn't the spread per say, but really it's the TTK. In most FPS's I play they feel way too high. Even if they seem small numerically in practice they are still high. The most frustrating thing in a FPS for me is when someone tanks me, when most of my shots hits and they still live because of more armor, health packs or other power ups. There are FPS's that do this well like the UT series where map control is key to a victory. Where even though two players are evenly matched the player that controls the map better and times the power ups right will win. There is a level of strategy in that, but I agree with you that recently trueness, control, and intense executions are becoming less and less important.

Two words: Rocket Arena

It would be really nice if they redid that mod for Quake 4 or UT3...

I also think that BF goes way overboard on the restrictions. Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon both concentrated on accurate ballistics and their guns were nowhere near as inaccurate as the guns in BF2. The guns in R6 and GR were also a damn sight deadlier. I remember last man standing games of Rainbow Six that were over in three minutes flat and you didn' t see any of the bunny hopping / strafe hopping nonsense of traditional shooters. You also didn't have the low powered, inaccurate firearms and insane movement restrictions of BF either. Even America's Army doesn't slow you down that much.

And what's up with needing a vehicle to get any damn where? I spend almost as much time trying to get a ride in BF 2142 as I spend actually fighting!

Originally posted by Torak

That silly video of the guy who claims to have purchased the "rocket launcher"...not

That is an M72 LAW. It is a disposible launcher. To open it up like that arms it.  It is extremely dangerous to try to close that thing up if you are not trained. I would not advise opening that thing up "just for fun". You can not legally buy a M72 LAW.

www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/antiarmor/M72.html

I'm assuming that any ordinance was removed from the M72. Those things haven't been in production for decades. If it's already been spent or diffused, then it's mostly a collector item and therefore completely legal to own. You can own an '80s era RPG launcher, you just can't own any rocket propelled grenades.

I also don't think that anyone has any problems with mandatory gun safety classes and age restrictions. It's the outright ban of certain kinds of firearms along with less lethal defense products that we have a problem with. Many of us also feel that not allowing law abiding citizens to carry concealed (firearms, tazers, pepperspray, whatever) allows criminals a sense of safety that they otherwise would not have. For a mugger, it's very convenient to be able to know who's unarmed at a glance.

Khuzarrz wrote:

America's rampant gun crime compared to European countries with gun control laws firmly in place, and working perfectly? You can tell me all of your 'armed society is a polite society' bull until the cows come home, but that doesn't actually make it happen in the real world.

The crime rate in the U.S. has been in steady decline since the late '90s. Interestingly enough, the number of concealed carry permits has increased in lock step with the decrease. Thanks for playing.

I picked one group that is known for their violent crime, particularly with guns. I love how it's racism just because they're black. I could happily have picked white teens carrying guns to school, or your favourite bigoted rednecks.

No, it's racism because you racially profiled with the term "Ghetto Gangsta" as if every black person jumped out of an episode of Yo! MTV Raps. And why didn't you use white teens or bigoted rednecks? Maybe because you associate blacks as criminals unconsciously? I'm no less racist than anyone else here, but I at realize this and 'fess up to it when I find myself making asshole assumption based on stereotypes. The first step in fighting racism is to realize that it's something within yourself and not just the failing of others. Justify yourself all you want, you aren't fooling anyone but yourself.

Tianamen Square is a name that everyone on the planet knows for a reason. Noone managed to ignore it, including the government. It may not have worked, but it was a single protest. If everyone in China were to do exactly the same thing, the government would have been left with no choice but to either wipe out their entire populace - something which the average soldier would probably have had issues with - or give in.

Yep, everyone paid attention and did nothing. Just like Rwanda. And I find it laughable that you believe that the Chinese government wouldn't have killed enormous segments of their own population. Just like Russia in WWII, China can absorb casualties that would topple any other nation on earth. With 1/6th of the earths population living in their borders, they can kill millions of their own people and just shrug it off. It would be like Pol Pot all over again.

Myself, I'd rather a 'slave mentality' (that's entirely the wrong understanding of passive resistance though) than a violent one. The idea of passive resistance is NOT to make someone else intervene. What's the point in being a pacifist if you're advocating that someone else carry out the violence for you? The idea of passive resistance is to 'shame' (for lack of a better word) your oppressors into losing public allegiance and ultimately being unable to continue with such a conscientious opponent. It worked. They couldn't touch Ghandi, and ultimately he won.

Point one shows exactly where the difference is. As an American, I'm willing to die for the rights that are owed to me. When the colonies decided to tell King George to go fuck hisself, the British couldn't understand it. They just couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of freedom and individual responsibility for self government. Apparently, Europe still doesn't get it. There are no rights other than those that can be backed by force. Whether that force be economic, social, or violently cohered. The Second Amendment insures all other rights. It isn't exactly Assassination Politics, but it's damn close.

As for your second post... You're still trying to get outside forces to intervene. They may simply be turning their back on the genocidal lunatic in question, in the form of embargoes and wot not, but it's still outside intervention nonetheless. And all the while, people are getting killed by the truckload. Violence is the most expedient and decisive way to deal with injustice. What would take months or even years to accomplish diplomatically, can be over and done with in just a few days with a show of force. Violence is not always the right answer, but in the case of genocide, it's really the only option. Passive resistance is a tactic and it's long since lost it's edge.

I think this is a case that calls for death by slicing....

and all this time I've thought that nothing could be more flamingly homosexual than Caramelldansen....

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

 

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by jdun1

 

Originally posted by Gameloading

I don't see any reason why everyone should be able to have a gun.

I think It's pretty ignorant to expect everyone to carry guns and get along just fine.

I mean, just look at your own life. Has there ever been times where you just lost control over yourself? I'm sure that happened at least once, perhaps when you were younger. I'm sure this happens to everyone at least once..now put a gun in that situation and you have a recipe for death.

 

 

I don't see why not. Do you want to mess with a person that can kill you? Do you think that person would mess with you if you have a gun?

Why is it that gun friendly cities have the least amount of crimes? Fear. Criminals fear death.

It would be a wild west all over again. Point is that sometimes people get upset with each other, gun or no gun. I'd like to be able to walk the street without knowing that everyone can easily kill me.

 

Yes, and some people would like to walk the street without knowing that members of the same sex lust after them.

Some people would like to walk the street without knowing that other people have views about the world that they disagree with.

and still other people would like to walk the street without knowing that anyone has a different skin complexion than they do.

Freedom does not mean that everyone is comfortable. When we talk about freedom, we are not talking about the mere freedom from inconvenience.

Yes, and giving these organizations weapons would solve everything obviously....

Right now, they already have access to firearms. The only thing that keeps these illegal terrorist organizations in check is the fact that all of the  would-be victims have equal access to firearms.

This isn't a difficult concept to figure out. Most people are good. Give everyone the ability to defend themselves, and the bad guys are outnumbered.

Originally posted by Munki  

 

Originally posted by Aldaron

 

Originally posted by Munki

 EDIT: Also, as a note to address the robbery of the motel. The crook showed a gun and demanded money.
you give him the money, he leaves, he gets caught, he goes to jail, were all good. How did shooting him help anybody?

That is a highly naive, and unrealistic view.

 

But you want to know how shooting him helped? Well, if he was shot and killed. It immediately assures everyones safety, he is no longer a valid threat. And it also saves the state the time and money involved in "rehabilitating" him for the next couple years.

It's time to quit relying on the government to be your big brother. They are not an almighty god, unerring and all powerful. It does not happen like some fantasy. You give the guy the money, he goes outside, immediately arrested, found unanimously guilty, and sent away to a prison which will rehabilitate him in a couple years, and he'll never hurt anyone again.

About the only words that describe a mindset is, bullshit. Because that's what thinking that's what happends is. Guns are a tool. They can be used for good, or bad. But you can almost always be guaranteed they will be used by humans, creatures that have a propencity for both good and evil, no matter if they're dressed in blue or not.

Countless times they have shown that robbers with guns, dont want to use them, they are just instruments of fear. 

When I have a knife or gun in my face, how am I supposed to know the intent of the person holding it? That is basically the argument that you're making in favor of gun control. That is also a good argument against gun control. I don't know whether the person threatening my life means it or not, so I have to make the assumption that they actually mean it.

Who are you to take somebody elses life?

Who are you to tell me that I shouldn't use any and all force available to me to defend my own life when it's in danger? When someone makes a serious threat to your life, you either fight back or die. You're trying very hard to frame this as a vigilante mentality when it is simply the natural desire to continue living in the face of immediate destruction.

As for you "interesting" take on the facts of life. The real world isnt some corrupt useless bureaucracy as you seem to imply.

By that same token, life is not the perfect utopia that you seem to imply. I think we can both agree that the system isn't perfect. That margin of error is more than enough cause to want to defend myself against those that elude the system.

Criminals are rehabilitated and do go on to live productive lives.

In some cases, you're right. In many others, you're wrong. As an example, I've never heard of even a single child molester being successfully and permanently rehabilitated. Come to think of it, I've never heard of any sex offender that has been successfully and permanently rehabilitated. Recreational killers and spree killers normally do most of their damage before their caught. Spree killers rarely get caught because the kill themselves before the police have a chance to apprehend them. This are offenders that don't want your money. They want your pain. Do you still think that I shouldn't have the right do defend against these people?

And yes, humans have the potential for good and evil, but why do you feel the need to be able to take a life if you feel in danger.

Ever try to stop someone high on PCP from attacking you? The problem with real world violence is that you don't have the complete picture. When someone initiates violence, you don't know what they're on, you don't know what their motives are, you don't know if they have friends nearby that will help them out, you only know that there's trouble coming and you better fucking be ready because it's too late to find shelter.

Why do you feel you need to have the ability to kill.

I already have that ability. If I wanted to kill someone, I could do so with just about any object in my house. The problem here has to do with odds. Guns equalize unequal odds. Even if everyone else is armed, the playing field is completely level when all players can take any of the others out with  a single hit.

Why do you feel that you somehow can in an instant deem somebody unfit for life, when it takes course several months to hand out a death penalty.

When they are threatening my life, then it's not a matter of them being "unfit to live," it's a matter of them or me.

How can, in and instant, you decide how the life of somebody else should go.

Simple, I want to live more than they want to harm me.

The police work.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!..... oh... wait... you were serious...

If you look elseware in the world, nobody has the gun problems like the states.

Yes they do, but most are third world countries. Columbia is an excellent example. Keep in mind that Columbia is a dictatorship where guns are completely verboten to regular citizens. That doesn't stop the drug cartels in the area from acquiring and employing guns by the truckload though.

In Europe, even in Canada is MUCH less of a problem.

That's more of a cultural thing. Last I checked there were more gun ownership in Canada than America. In Sweden they practically have gun ownership on demand. So let's please cut the bullshit.

Last I checked there are more murders with guns in Texas alone than in 7 other countries (including Canada) all together.

Yeah, that sounds like Texas...

You have to understand that Texas begged to be a part of the Union and to this day still has the legal right so succeed. We didn't want them then and we still don't want them.

If you think a robber is always a threat to your safety, your being naive. Most of these criminals are scared shitless and are desperate. Nobody steals because thats the lifestyle they chose,

There are plenty of organized criminals that choose to run numbers, pimp, traffic contraband and run protection rackets because the money is a thousand fold what they could make even with a PH. D.

and often times with the right help they can get set back on track.

In the case of burglars that wait for when people aren't at home and break in, I can agree with you. Then again, a gun isn't going to be much of a deterrent to these people since I won't be home to use it anyway.  That still leaves sick fucks like Richard Speck that break and entering for the sole purpose of killing everyone inside.

You arent John Wayne.

And you aren't the Easter Bunny.

The Wild West should be gone by now, why do so many Americans feel the need to be vigilante and dish out the law themselves.

We don't. We simply want the right to defend the lives of ourselves and our loved ones. You can  continue to frame this as some superhero complex, but you'll just be making yourself look foolish.

You aren't trained to deal with people like this, 99% of you don't even understand the criminal mind.

Didn't you just say that X% of criminals didn't want to use the weapons they threaten people with?
Didn't you just say that no one chooses a life of crime? And now you're telling us that YOU know best because "99% of people don't know the criminal mind?" WTF?!

Why not let people who have spent years of their lives trying to learn how to help these people.

That's great... for the criminal. I would still be dead.

The world isnt as hopeless as you make it out to be.

You're right, I still have a limited right to fight back. Unfortunately, there are many people that don't think I should have the right to preserve my own life or the life of others. I hold people RESPONSIBLE for their actions. When you threaten to kill someone, you deserve to live with the POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES of that action. One possible consequence is that the person you're threatening will fight back and cause you considerable injury or even death.

Edit: As an additional note, studies have been rather unanamous that everyone gets more violent even if they just see a gun.

Source please.

Its refered to as the "weapons effect"

Any edged knife is also a weapon. Wouldn't it be logical that people would react the same way with a steak knife within arms reach?

When your not upset, having a gun, or other weapon has no effect on your mood, but when you get upset, having a gun with your or in the room makes you much more violent.

Then I guess it's up to the people around you to stay very calm and polite, doesn't it?

An armed society is a polite society.