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Yes me too.

They are sure making risky design decisions for this game

This could end only in an epic fail or an epic win. No middle ground

Collision detection comfirmed! YAY!

I don't think i would go swimming.... all those people swimming have the same faces and the same trunks. And they are trying to sell me gold.. It's creepy.

Better go back to my old beach and have fun with my old friends.


Originally posted by baphamet


not talking about metacritic, i'm talking about right here. do you not recall the negative beta reviews that people here took as law?

why is that okay but when someone makes a positive one it's because they did it on launch day? are we to assume these reviewers were not in closed beta and were not just waiting for official launch to write their review?

just sayin..

Well BETA reviews are BETA reviews.

And considering how the game turned out to be they were pretty much spot on.

The game is pretty mediocre and especially the PVE is lacking. Considering a 5/10 in PVE and a 7/10 in PVP i guess the reviews with an average around 6/10 are pretty much right.

and it shows on the reviews... the more time it passes the worse reviews it gets. On metacritic the best reviews are almost all week 1 reviews which tells alot about the state of this game.

Originally posted by Umbrood

Weird thing is, reviewers usually sugar these things, AAA titles rarely if ever go below 7, quite frankly you do not bite the hand that feeds you.

6 is not average, the lower end of the scale is rarely used.

How many games get between 7 and 9?

Probably over 80%.

I do not have a dog in this fight really, I preordered the imperial version but I have yet to start playing, figuring I would let them fix the most glaring bugs from beta, as the mythical "closed beta has a different build that fixes everything", patch did not come to pass.

Time will tell of course and I will use up my 30 days at some point, but the reception of this game puzzles me a bit.

6 from a "professional" reviewer is pretty much bottom out, and even though there were a lot stuff that annoyed me during beta, that seems a bit harsh.



Since when getting 6/10 is good? especially for a supposed AAA title with a big money, a big trademark and a big company behind it?


Never heard of most of those minor sites.
Originally posted by dbgager
Originally posted by Burntvet

But why should people keep playing/paying in the meantime?

Better for people to not subscribe and save the $15/mo while Zenimax gets their game together, in 6 months, and then maybe sub again.

Having a sub these days makes people expect more, from a game and a company.

If a company is not doing enough to earn that sub, people shouldn't pay it until they do.

(Let alone pay $60 for the box).

These games are super complex. This game was nearly 40 GB installed. There is no such thing as a bug free game when it is released.  Especially not an MMO.

You're just saying that he is right and people should just unsubscribe and come back in 6 months

Originally posted by MMOExposed

This is a decent civil forum which we can have a good civil debate and discussion.


So I want to hear the argument of the "Anti-ESO Payment Model changers"


Why Elder Scrolls Online "SHOULD NOT" change its payment model from its current sub payment model?


I want to hear both sides of the argument, but I will start with the voices of those who believe ESO should NOT change its current payment model.

Read fine print below....


Edit: I believe both sides in this should have a chance to defend their argument, which is why I am asking the "Anti-ESO Payment model changers" to voice their opinion on this.

It's quite simple


Because it has paywalls like a F2P yet it tries to charge a monthly sub.

I think i will bookmark this thread for when ESO will go f2p. Funny moments
Originally posted by StarI

Some facts directly from their website.


There are 2 things being sold on their website:

- Digital Standard Edition

- Digital Imperial Edition


Digital Imperial Edition is same as Standard with some bonuses added.

If you purchased Standard Edition before and now change your mind, you can upgrade to Imperial Edition.


There is no cash shop.

Stop the presses.


We must inform Zenimax that they got it wrong and there is no cash shop 

Horrendous marketing campaign but then again it doesn't matter and i doubt they care very much since anything with "Elder Scroll" slapped on it will sells millions and millions of boxes even if it sucks.

It sells itself.

Originally posted by SuperNick

Has it actually even been confirmed that the ONLY way to obtain the Imperial race is by buying it?

Seems to me it's just as likely you'll earn it after you finish all 3 storylines or perhaps from PvP; who knows.

Also get used to cash shops, they're here to stay. Don't like it? Don't play. Pointless coming on forums and complaining endlessly thinking developers will somehow rush out to view your post on some forums that make up less than 0.5% of their playerbase.

Personally every cash shop in the last 5 MMOs I've played hasn't affected me in ANY way. The days of P2W are long gone from any real game, so if people wanna spend their cash on crap like skins, XP boosts and mounts; more power to them. It usually just means they quit the game quicker anyway.


As of now you get Imperial Race only if you pay more.


Getting it free after you finish the 3 storylines is wishful thinking from fanboys. The same fanboys that assured us as fact that ESO will NEVER have an ingame cash shop.

It's the opposite. Do we have confirmation that you get the imperial race after completing the 3 storylines? where do you read about this?

Considering how greedy Zenimax is i highly doubt that they will give you for free something that people paid for. They are in for the money grab

Considering how Zenimax has lied on the cash shop so fare it's pretty much clear that the explorer pack will be sooner or later a cash shop item.
Originally posted by baphamet


Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by baphamet   that's besides the point. how many mmo's have a limited edition version of the game sold on their website with in game vanity items?
A playable race is a vantiy item?


that's besides the point, it's a part of their IE and not a cash shop item.

i fail to see the fact that they give you a playable race in their IE automatically makes it a cash shop item?

where is the logic in that?

You fail to see the point because you're not using logic.

So we have regular joe buying the standard edition of a P2P game and paying subs. He is supposed to have 100% of the game right? Zenimax promised he would get 100% of the game right?

Wrong. Joe has to go to the cash shop and pay EXTRA for playing a race in the game.

This is exactly how f2p cash shops works. No p2p game in history have ever made you pay to get an additional race

Originally posted by Horusra
Originally posted by BearKnight
Originally posted by obake90

I been reading on ESO Forums and MMORPG forums, that ESO has been very greedy.

People saying they are leaving the game because of the cash shop, Sub, and the price of the edition. People saying it should be free to play.


My question is why? Why should it be f2p, why are you mad about a cash shop, why are you saying the edition is high?


"well, this person payed this much more then me so he has a better so and so, "

Really? So if you go to a hotel and pay for the room at you should get the same room as if a person who's been a loyal customer and paying a higher fee?


" I'm not going to pay for the sub, it should be free"

This is a luxury, if you don't have the money don't even think about playing a game, you should spend your extra time making more money, you cheap bast***. 

$15 a month, hmm two people for a movie is $20.00 for 2hours....

" They said this and that, I want to cancel my pre order (cash shop) "

Things happen, things change, that's life.


Who cares if they charge this or that, its really up to you at the end if you are going to buy it or shop at the cash shop, who cares if the dude next to you spent $20 on a brown horse. This company needs to make money you know why? because its a company, they need to pay the DEVS for their hard work and make more games in the future.


" But i payed $70 mostly for the imperial race and after the few months people can buy it for a lower price".

You pay 10.00 to see a movie on the big screen but a few months later you can rent it for 1.00 on redbox...




As a developer looking in from the outside all I can say is the following:


Zenemax realized a while ago that their product isn't up to snuff to survive in the modern market so they're going to try and get as much money out of people during the "Rose Glasses" period. Box + Sub + CashShop burn strategy is a good thing prior to going F2P for big business so they can save face even after they turn hoards away.


If ESO were truly a title worth P2P it would NOT have a cash shop, or at least a cash shop that sells things other than pure cosmetics for uber cheap. 


From what i've read and seen for myself over the last two weekends ESO is not a title worthy of P2P, but is nothing more than a title worth F2P at best. It is more of the same StoryLine themepark hand-holding that gets old after a month or two before people burn everything and quit unless they make it all so grindy that it isn't worth it for the casuals they targeted to begin with.


A GOOD Publisher, aka: the guys telling the developers which buttons to press, either goes solid P2P with no cash shop, maybe one that only sells cosmetics which means NO XP BOOSTERS EITHER, or goes pure F2P. When they double dip it is a sure sign that the game is either dieing (WoW) or the game isn't worth the sub & box to begin with (ESO).



Just my two sents, but then again as i've said before I'm used to Publishers/Product Managers treating customers with respect.




I am highly doubting you are a developer.  If you were then you would have looked closer at the "cash shop" and seen it is basically account upgrades for the imperial edition and no xp boosts or anything else.  If you are a developer you have a poor critical analysis eye.

Mounts and playable races in cash shop while having subs.

And they didn't even launch the game. 

You have poor critical analysis eye

Originally posted by baphamet


that's besides the point. how many mmo's have a limited edition version of the game sold on their website with in game vanity items?

A playable race is a vantiy item?

Originally posted by StarI
Originally posted by Calven
Originally posted by Rigamortis


If you don't like this development then don't buy the game.. I know I'm not going to since I don't support cash shops in subscription games.


Last time I checked there was no cash shop in TESO? I'm guessing you're mixing preorder bonus with a cash shop?

Because they didn't check their facts from reliable sources

Originally posted by Blasphim
Originally posted by otacu

On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?

New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!

You pay more and you get more!


Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself

Kinda like the darkside?

Yes and they will have lots of cash shop minions

On a similar note.... who wants to bet that some time down the road (4-6 months) they will add the prepurchase bonus (play any race in any alliance) in the cash shop?

New players will feel penalized and demand for this ... Zenimax will be more than happy to tend to their needs. For the right price in the cash shop of course!

You pay more and you get more!


Once you've taken the first step you cannot stop yourself

Originally posted by Neo_Liberty
Originally posted by otacu

{mod edit]

Why? i admit i was wrong in thinking that paying a p2p game should give me 100% of the gameplay.

I'm too old fashioned.... we should open way to the "new p2p model"

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