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Originally posted by Kuro1n
Tibia before the bots invaded.

I don't believe I ever tried Tibia. That's an older, 2D one, right? 

 

'course, I could just go find out for myself :p

Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Pratt2112
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Vesavius

This is the harsh reality of monetizing a no sub game.

I guess all the people saying that they like F2P as long as the shop only sells cosmetics didn't buy enough cosmetics. I guess what they meant by 'cosmetics' though was "stuff that i don't ever have to, and of course won't ever, buy".

Take away the sub from a AAA MMORPG and it seems people expect it to run on fresh air and just be provided as a gift to them for entertainment.

F2P, and B2P, advocates are reaping the seeds they helped sow. 

At least when I'm playing a P2P game I know I don't have to deal with sleazy dev tactics to disguise money grab ploy as a feature, and the constant power struggle between cash shop vs content focus.

Not to mention when your business model is so volatile (you don't know how much revenue you're getting month over month unlike in P2P), it is extremely hard to plan any long-term content development outside expansion packs that are expected to pay for themselves.

FFXIV and GW2 are the prime examples of what can happen. Meaty content updates every 3 months on the dot + expansion packs every year and a half. Promised features are actually released. When your game is B2P your promises amount to nothing outside maybe expansion packs. Everything depends on the ROI which the B2P devs can't anticipate ahead of time.

GW2 was released a full year before FFXIV yet the signs seem to indicate the latter is getting its first expansion before the former. This is ridiculous considering how much of the game's increasing value rests on expansion packs in GW2. I don't know what the hell ANet is doing, letting a P2P game get ahead of them on this. The players are getting royally screwed here.

I fully agree.

Even in 'F2P', such as AA which i am playing now, I just buy a sub and ignore the cash shop.

Given the choice I would have every game 100% sub all the time every time.

Sad that it takes something like this being done by a big-name MMO for people to snap out of their "F2P iz teh bestest!" mindset and realize the kind of devious crap that really goes on with this revenue model. 

What the OP describes and links to is the kind of crap *all* Cash Shop based MMOs pull. I posted a similar explanation a while ago, of  how CS's stagger the cost of items against the quantities of gems you can purchase at a time, to make sure people never have enough left over, for anything worth purchasing anyway, and always need to buy more.

And all the while, the devs dress it up to make it look like they're doing their players some huge favor.

I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Heh.

It's sad that some people will still attempt to defend it.

 

I have been on these forums a long time and, trust me, I understand where you are coming from.

Yep. I guess the word "FREE!" is a hell of a blue pill.

Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Vesavius

This is the harsh reality of monetizing a no sub game.

I guess all the people saying that they like F2P as long as the shop only sells cosmetics didn't buy enough cosmetics. I guess what they meant by 'cosmetics' though was "stuff that i don't ever have to, and of course won't ever, buy".

Take away the sub from a AAA MMORPG and it seems people expect it to run on fresh air and just be provided as a gift to them for entertainment.

F2P, and B2P, advocates are reaping the seeds they helped sow. 

At least when I'm playing a P2P game I know I don't have to deal with sleazy dev tactics to disguise money grab ploy as a feature, and the constant power struggle between cash shop vs content focus.

Not to mention when your business model is so volatile (you don't know how much revenue you're getting month over month unlike in P2P), it is extremely hard to plan any long-term content development outside expansion packs that are expected to pay for themselves.

FFXIV and GW2 are the prime examples of what can happen. Meaty content updates every 3 months on the dot + expansion packs every year and a half. Promised features are actually released. When your game is B2P your promises amount to nothing outside maybe expansion packs. Everything depends on the ROI which the B2P devs can't anticipate ahead of time.

GW2 was released a full year before FFXIV yet the signs seem to indicate the latter is getting its first expansion before the former. This is ridiculous considering how much of the game's increasing value rests on expansion packs in GW2. I don't know what the hell ANet is doing, letting a P2P game get ahead of them on this. The players are getting royally screwed here.

 

I fully agree.

Even in 'F2P', such as AA which i am playing now, I just buy a sub and ignore the cash shop.

Given the choice I would have every game 100% sub all the time every time.

Sad that it takes something like this being done by a big-name MMO for people to snap out of their "F2P iz teh bestest!" mindset and realize the kind of devious crap that really goes on with this revenue model. Even from a company like ANet.

What the OP describes and links to is the kind of crap *all* Cash Shop based MMOs pull. I posted a similar explanation a while ago, of  how CS's stagger the cost of items against the quantities of gems you can purchase at a time, to make sure people never have enough left over, for anything worth purchasing anyway, and always need to buy more.

The entire reason they use a "cash shop currency" rather than real currency, is so they can set it up that way, as well as making it harder to track exactly what they're charging for things. It also makes it more difficult for the player to track exactly how much they're spending. Everything about it is shady.

And all the while, the devs dress it up to make it look like they're doing their players some huge favor.

I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Heh.

It's sad that some people will still attempt to defend it.

 

So, I was discussing with a friend about MMO communities, and how it's so seldom that you see people in MMORPGs anymore who are open and helpful to other players - not just their friends or guild-mates, but people in general. So many keep to themselves, only care about themselves, or will outright try to screw over and take advantage of others, creating a cold or even hostile environment, it's difficult to know where these friendlier, more outgoing communities are.

For example, helping people through notoriously difficult content and not asking for anything in payment/return. Rather, helping because they can, and asking only that the recipient pay it forward by helping others similarly when they need it. I mean true interaction, people doing things for others for the sake of helping a fellow player enjoy the game "that much more", making the community that much better by doing so.

I'm curious what MMORPGs people here play, or have played, where they felt the in-game community was the friendliest, most helpful, etc. Again, not just people in your own guilds, personal friends, etc. I mean people in general.

If you could give an example of such interactions, that would be even better. It could be something done for or by you, or something you witnessed being done for someone else.

Thanks :)

 

 

Originally posted by Moguy3
Oh and they posted about the expansion. No clue why you want to go ape over them posting that. Always that one guy.

Yes, I'm aware there was a forum post made about it.

That's not a MMORPG.com article. That's a forum post referencing an article posted by Kotaku... which is even worse.

A regular forum member could just as well have posted that.

I'm talking about something like, you know... a front-page news article discussing the event, the news, all that was talked about, etc. etc. 

Other sites already have their own articles published. MMORPG. com has links to other websites. 

Not quite the same thing.

 

 

Originally posted by mayanking
honestly does it really matter that much if they are alittle late in covering a game?

I'm not even sure if I should treat that like a serious question.

Poking some light-hearted fun here, but I'm kinda surprised that we've seen not a word from MMORPG.com about this, you know... wee little shin-dig that just took place this past weekend in Las Vegas. A few people even showed up for it, I hear. I think they called it a Fan Festival or something like that.

Rumor has it, they announced an expansion, or something like that, among other things. Might be something that would be very relevant on a site that specializes in MMORPGs. 

Just sayin'....

In all seriousness, I attributed the lack of updates about the event over the weekend to y'all simply not working weekends (which I was apparently wrong about, as pointed out by other posters here). But now, an entire Monday later... and still nothing? Not even a blurb?

Ya waiting for the news to go cold before handling it, or what? You prefer it served up room-temperature maybe? :p

Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by Pratt2112
Originally posted by Nepheth

Omg what the hack is mmorpg.com doing? First 2.4 and now this. More than 24 hours have past since this expansion announced. And still there is not even a word from mmorpg.com. They did the same thing with 2.4 too. They did nothing for more than a day and than they just released the damn trailer without covering any news. For gods sake this is a f*cking expansion and they don't even care. This website has some serious problems with Square Enix I believe. I guess they don't get enough money from them...

I think they don't work weekends.

 

They've posted several things today...about destiny and heroes of the storm.  

Ah, then I stand corrected.

They work weekends :p

I thought they didn't, since at times in the past, if I contacted them about something during the week, I generally got a reply back within 24 hours. If it was on a weekend, or a Friday evening, I wouldn't get a reply 'til Monday, at the soonest.

 

Originally posted by Nepheth

Omg what the hack is mmorpg.com doing? First 2.4 and now this. More than 24 hours have past since this expansion announced. And still there is not even a word from mmorpg.com. They did the same thing with 2.4 too. They did nothing for more than a day and than they just released the damn trailer without covering any news. For gods sake this is a f*cking expansion and they don't even care. This website has some serious problems with Square Enix I believe. I guess they don't get enough money from them...

I think they don't work weekends.

 

Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by Xatsh

that crap lasted alot longer then XIV.

No one in XI ever complained about lack of content, shallow game play. no one every whines about everything being thow away content.

People didn't complain about using horse-drawn carriages to move around in the 19th century either. Horse-drawn carriages also lasted alot longer than cars have lasted!

With that kind of logic horses are a viable alternative to cars in 2014 :)

(no they are not, and FFXI endgame is the horse-drawn carriage of MMORPG's). Well, except if you're Amish of course.

I think the point was nailed when you stated that content in the spirit of stuff like Sea or Sky, or other events in XI, would work in FFXIV. 

After all, if you look at what some of what we already have in XIV system/content-wise, you can trace their roots back to XI; they've just been altered/updated/improved to work within XIV's framework. 

It doesn't have to be a binary, all-or-nothing situation.

 

 

Originally posted by Nepheth

First 2.4 trailer and now this. My body can't handle this much hype.

lol! Indeed.

Neither is my character.... yet.... >.>

 

I paid for the premium stream, and to say there was much "squee and awe" watching the opening keynote would be about right :p

Originally posted by cheyane
 

Bravo well thought out and basically sinks the post you answered.

Thanks! I'd like to think I was making some kind of revelatory, profound point in that post. It would certainly be good for my ego :p. However, I kinda feel like what I explained (informed > uninformed opinions)  is, or should be obvious to everyone. Perhaps it isn't, though. Who knows? lol

Oh BTW do do The Wanderer's Palace. First time I did it as a white mage I was healing like a crazy women cos they pulled   like 3 sets of mobs and was quite busy and had  little chance to look about.  Playing hide and seek from the stalker .

Oh, I intend to. I'm kinda wanting to get leveled up to 50 on MNK, and also want to do mining-goldsmithing-leves-atmasfordragoonzodiac-sightseeinglog-Turntania5(shudder)-hunts-StoryMissions-Hildibrand!... and.. various other stuff. So, it's a bit of a juggling act :p.

 

Originally posted by Hyanmen
Clearly the crow is not very delicious for some people :D

lol

Indeed.

Originally posted by Sector13
 

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Well now you're just flailing about wildly.

First, if you're going to respond to someone, you should at least address what they actually say, instead of constructing ridiculous strawmen to attack.

Next, since my character stats seem to be of importance to you - enough that you'd attempt to reference them - here's what they actually are. You'll notice I'm nowhere near max level with 10 classes/jobs.

To point out that you can't have an informed opinion of something you haven't actually experienced yourself is not being "narrow-minded". It's stating the obvious.

Someone who's played 10 minutes of a game can formulate an informed opinion of those 10 minutes. Anything after that is them assuming what the experience is like. They can say something *looks* fun, or *seems* boring. But that's as far as they can go. They can not say it *is* fun, or *is* boring, not even as a personal opinion, because they have no personal experience to base it on. 

For example... I haven't yet done Wanderer's Palace in FFXIV. I've watched a video of it, and it looks like it's pretty fun, what with a giant Tonberry stalking you down corridors and such. I can not, however, opine that it is or isn't fun, because I haven't actually done it yet. For now, my opinion of that content is uninformed, and it would be dishonest for me to try and present it otherwise.

can however, voice an informed opinion of Temple of Qarn, which I have done, and found to be rather lackluster. I can say what I didn't like about it, and why I didn't like it. I can describe particular mechanics, enemies, the layout, what I found good or bad about them. I can support my statements with actual first-hand knowledge of the content, because I've experienced it myself. That is an informed opinion.

If someone asked you to back up your opinion with specific details about the content, about the dungeons, about story, characters, cut-scenes... anything... You could not give them any kind of an informed answer, without making stuff up or referencing sources they could go and see themselves. Because you haven't actually done any of it and have no idea what you're talking about.

On the other hand, I and - probably to a greater degree - others here could answer those questions, because we have done the content.

Do you understand the difference?

Again, that is not "being narrow-minded". It's stating the obvious.

So bringing it back to you, you haven't played ARR since Beta, by your own admission. Thus, all you can speak to is how the game was to you, based on what you experienced, over a year ago, in Beta. That's all you can state an informed opinion on. Everything after that is just you making guesses at what you assume the game is like, based on what you've heard or seen.

In that context, yes... my opinion, or that of anyone else who's played the game since then and, especially, is playing now, is far better than that of someone who, like yourself, has not played it since before it launched.

I'll put it to you another way...

If you're interested in something... a movie or a book, say. You want to seek some feedback to see what others think of it before you pick it up yourself. Who will be able to give you a better, more informed answer... the one who's seen the entire movie, or read the entire book? Or the one who's only seen the trailer, or only read the book's synopsis? Whose answer are you going to put more weight in? Please answer honestly.

 

Originally posted by Gregor999
You're all paying monthly for Guild Wars 2. Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Having played, and mostly enjoyed, GW2 up to level cap, I can say honestly that GW2 and ARR are two very different beasts.

The only comparison I would draw are public events, but in that case, I could also refer to Rift and Warhammer Online (before they took it down anyway).

I actually like the way GW2 handles the public events a bit more than how they are in ARR. 

Originally posted by Sector13
 

I like how you like to speak for me, when I say the remark "best MMO out now" I am speaking for anyone that believes that in general, not speaking for the entire industry, didn't realize I had to be so specific with my words for you to understand.

Clearly you didn't realize it, or you'd have done a better, more thorough job explaining yourself in the first place to avoid such a misunderstanding. 

I'm not a mind reader, and I don't know you from Adam. I have no basis on which to divine "what you actually mean" when you say something. You said what you said, and I replied to it.

If you want to be better understood, do a better job expressing  yourself. "Say what you mean, and mean what you say".

I will try to be more clear since you apparently take everything literally. For your last question, lol. You going to say your opinion is better then mine cause you played it more? Hate to tell you, that's not how opinions work. 

Oh, hi Mr. Strawman.

Did I say my opinion was better than yours anywhere in that bit? No. I made no such statement. In fact, I didn't make any statement in that bit. I asked a question. Or, more specifically, I made a request. I asked you to link me to your character so I could see what your experience in the game has been.

Why? Well, if you're going to have a debate with someone on a given topic, it's helpful if both sides have current experience and first-hand knowledge of said topic. I wanted to see how much I could reasonably expect you to know about the game, based on your experience playing it. 

Considering your defensive reaction, that's obviously a problem for you. Given your next statement, I can see why.

I beta tested the game, had plenty of time to play it and it didn't get better. 

O.... kayyy...

So your view of the game is grounded in beta-testing, which took place over a year ago, before the game was released. You have no hands-on experience or knowledge of how the game has grown, changed or improved since. Yet, you're here - among people who are playing it, and are aware of those things - declaring what the game is, and how badly it sucks.

In the words of Matt Dillahunty: "You're done".

To return to your earlier question about whether I think my opinion is better because I played it more.... In light of your confessed ignorance of ARR... I can now say yes, my opinion on this topic is better than yours. Because an informed opinion based on hands-on experience and knowledge, is always better than an uninformed one, based on ignorance and conjecture

Good day, sir.

Originally posted by Boneserino
Originally posted by Pratt2112
 

Well, actually.. it was the point. But, you seem a bit confused.

The whole "best MMO out now" remark is the personal opinion of individual player(s). No one in this thread is speaking on the state of the entire MMO industry. Nobody is attempting to speak for everyone. They're just sharing their own personal opinions of the game, and how they feel about it. So, for them, personally, ARR is the best MMO on the market. 

For others, GW2 is the best on the market. For others, it's Eve... and so on. 

Do you understand the difference now, and why it makes both your responses to that remark seem kinda... silly and moot?

As for the rest of your post... Do you have a character I can check on the Lodestone? I'd like to see how much you've played, what you've done, and how informed your comments about the game are. If you have a character, please be sure I can view your achievements and such. Thanks.

You do realize that you are coming down on him for stating the exact same things that you were saying initially?

People in glass houses....

 

You seem confused as well. Or you're just strawmanning here.

I've never said anything like "the industry's in a sad state if ARR is considered the best MMO out there".

I never claimed ARR was just a "rehash" of 1.0. Even though I didn't like how it was back then, I still knew better than to call it that.

My initial criticisms were of decisions Yoshi-P made for the direction of the game, and that it seemed as though he had taken the 'easy route', by simply sticking to the template others had followed, instead of finding new and interesting ways to implement familiar concepts, such as they did in XI. Back then, that's exactly how I felt. I still maintain that's how it felt to me back then, which is why I didn't play it for a time.

What's changed now is that I see they've added a lot, changed a lot, and the game has become a much more well-rounded title, that stands on its own, and feels more like a world than just a game. It's now more what I was hoping it would be from the start. I also stated back then that I didn't see it doing well as P2P, as it didn't do enough to separate itself from other offerings, but that I hoped I was wrong. I've noted that - to me - they have, in fact proven me wrong. They have succeeded, the game is doing very well, it's evolved into something far more than what it was, or what I thought it would/could ever amount to.

Nothing I've replied to is even similar to what they're arguing, much less the "exact same things".

So, no.. No glass houses here.

Also, I'd appreciate it if you not try putting words in my mouth, just to give yourself something to argue with, okay? Thanks :).

 

 

Originally posted by NobleNerd
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
FF was ok til it filled up with console kiddies zerging every zone. It was like "omg we finally have a mmo, all get it quick!" - as a pc elitist it was just depressing to watch :P

Lol, well I'm sure half of them were PC users one of them being me.

 Keep in mind this is NOT their first MMO on a console. FFXI was on the PS2 along with Xbox. This is the first HD MMO though and FFXI was a different generation.

To the OP... I am glad you are finding excitement in the game! I too have renewed my sub with the new patch forthcoming. I may need a new guild, not sure if any are left in mine or they may have moved on.

Indeed!

What server are you on, Noble? If you're on Hyperion, I can hook you up with an awesome FC (mine, of course :p). A great group of people. It's a large group, and pretty much active around the clock - even with a chunk of them off playing Destiny for now. 

In any case, let me know! PM me with your character name and/or catch me in-game on my character, which is in my sig.

Otherwise, I hope you find a good and active new FC!

 

 

Originally posted by Sector13
Originally posted by Pratt2112
Originally posted by Sector13
When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

Well, actually.. it was the point. But, you seem a bit confused.

The whole "best MMO out now" remark is the personal opinion of individual player(s). No one in this thread is speaking on the state of the entire MMO industry. Nobody is attempting to speak for everyone. They're just sharing their own personal opinions of the game, and how they feel about it. So, for them, personally, ARR is the best MMO on the market. 

For others, GW2 is the best on the market. For others, it's Eve... and so on. 

Do you understand the difference now, and why it makes both your responses to that remark seem kinda... silly and moot?

As for the rest of your post... Do you have a character I can check on the Lodestone? I'd like to see how much you've played, what you've done, and how informed your comments about the game are. If you have a character, please be sure I can view your achievements and such. Thanks.

Originally posted by Sector13
When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

 

 

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