Originally posted by Buttdart

Originally posted by mmoDAD

Originally posted by ragz45
BTW what does the content of this thread have to do with bouncing from hub to hub?

Just about every Theme Park out there has Hub to Hub leveling. Once you complete the Hub, there is no need to revisit that location. By the time you reach End-Game, most of the world is outleveled and rendered moot.

End-Game is the game. Hub leveling has got to go. It's time to use the entire world.

Try the Red Light MMO. It's very hub-to-hub bouncing, yet the endgame is about as sandboxy as it gets.

Explain to me the raiding system!

Are some of you ill? It's 100% their fault.

With the amount of time and money it takes to develope a mmorpg, you would think the developers would do a little research.

HISTORY SPEAKS

#1. EverQuest 1 was a success. It made money and had long-term sustain.

#2. Star Wars Galaxies was a success. It made money and had long-term sustain.

#3. World of Warcraft came to town and set a new precedent. It buried every other MMO in terms of profit AND had long-term sustain.

#4. SOE yearns to generate WoW-like profit. Thus, they revamp Star Wars Galaxies into a linear "WoW" style game (NGE). It backfired... big time. Zero Sustain.

THE SERIES OF WOW-CLONES BEGIN

#5. Vanguard releases. It's ultimately an open area Theme Park... another big / broken version of WoW. Zero Sustain. It's a mess.

#6. Age of Conan releases. It's ultimately a tiny version of WoW. Hardware issues for many. Lack of content. Zero Sustain. It's a mess.

#7. Warhammer Online releases. It's ultimately the same WoW-steak... but with different seasoning. Been there, done that. Zero Sustain.

#8. WoW is getting pretty old now. Many players aren't necessarily looking for a new clone, but a totally different experience.

#9. The MMO surge is over. WoW started as a fad, e.g., nerds played it, jocks played it, business people played it, losers played it, women played it, rich people played it, ghetto people played it. New people aren't buying MMOs anymore. Most people who purchase them are veterans. They are getting older and yearn for a bit more depth. WoW is starting to get really old.

#10. Aion, Star Trek Online, Champions Online, DC Universe, Countless no-name clones, EQ2 revamps their PvP into Battleground form, RIFT, etc.

#11. SWTOR finally launches. It quickly becomes the most talked about and most hated game of all time. It's the birth of a new genre: Single Playing Online RPGs. No Sustain.

#12. More WoW-clones launch... including Tera and Guild Wars 2.

#13. The Secret World launches. While it's a bit different than WoW, it has no appeal and is not what MMO gamers have been looking for.

It's not hard to look at the trend. PEOPLE DON'T WANT ANOTHER WOW! People want depth, player-driven content, content, and sustain. However, the developers do nothing but look at WoW and their damn numbers.

Originally posted by ragz45
BTW what does the content of this thread have to do with bouncing from hub to hub?

Just about every Theme Park out there has Hub to Hub leveling. Once you complete the Hub, there is no need to revisit that location. By the time you reach End-Game, most of the world is outleveled and rendered moot.

End-Game is the game. Hub leveling has got to go. It's time to use the entire world.

Originally posted by Banaghran

Originally posted by mmoDAD

Originally posted by Banaghran

The notion, that the endgame (whatever that may be) is somehow "suffering" from the existence of leveling content is hilarious, like the notion that grown ups are "suffering" from the existence of children, i am looking forward to this thread.

If i would not enjoy a good flame, i would suggest rewording your argument a bit, especially the bit about "polluting".

Flame on!

:)

 

You are comparing a video game to real world. But sure... I'll play along.

 

I used to live in Ohio. However, my family moved to Michigan. I left Ohio to be with my family. Not because I out-leveled Ohio. I could go back to Ohio and always find something to do, e.g., work, play. In a MMO, I can't do anything in the past areas. Moreover, the past areas take up almost the entire virtual world.

Yet, in case you wouldnt be able to find work, would you claim that you suffer from all the schools you already have no use for in Ohio?

Flame on!

:)

If the schools took up 95% of the land, then yes.

Originally posted by Banaghran

The notion, that the endgame (whatever that may be) is somehow "suffering" from the existence of leveling content is hilarious, like the notion that grown ups are "suffering" from the existence of children, i am looking forward to this thread.

If i would not enjoy a good flame, i would suggest rewording your argument a bit, especially the bit about "polluting".

Flame on!

:)

You are comparing a video game to real world. But sure... I'll play along.

I used to live in Ohio. However, my family moved to Michigan. I left Ohio to be with my family...not because I out-leveled Ohio. I could go back to Ohio and always find something to do, e.g., work, play. In a MMO, I can't do anything in the past areas. Moreover, the past areas take up almost the entire virtual world. So yes. I view it as pollution.

Questing and progression need some serious change.

You don't have to be a "Power Grinder" to reach End-Game these days. In fact, most players can read all the quests, absorb the lore, and still max out their characters before the free month is over.

Modern MMORPG End-Game

• Raiding: 2-5 Instanced Dungeons
• PvP: 3-5 Instanced Zones with Objectives, e.g., Capture the Flag, Team Deathmatch, Control the Point

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by mmoDAD
It amazes that there are people in the world that actually believe this stuff, e.g., charging up their credit cards, etc.

 

Why on earth would anyone put faith in a race of humans that used to cut the hearts out of their own to appease some sun entity for rain etc.

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There is actually a finite fixed expiry date on our sun. One day there really will be an end of the "world" regardless of us being here or not.

 

I know there will be an end-date one day. Rev.

It amazes that there are people in the world that actually believe this stuff, e.g., charging up their credit cards, etc.

Why on earth would anyone put faith in a race of humans that used to cut the hearts out of their own to appease some sun entity for rain etc.

Some unique features. Sure. But I honestly think this is going to be another example of a game that fails due to lack of player-driven content.

You can have the best gameplay in the world. But when there isn't anything to do in the end other than PvP the same instanced zones over and over or Raid the same 5 instances over and over...    it's going to flop.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by apocoluster
   Voted TOR..because it exists and I can play it.  I give it bonus points for acutally telling me a Star Wars-ey type story.  Im glad i can continue to finish out my stories to see how they end

One of the biggest complaints of SWG when it was around...was that it never felt Star Warsy.  I remember beta 3 and others and I were just saying, "this is basically EQ in space."

 

No way. I felt like I was part of Star Wars in SWG. In SWTOR, I felt like I was in middle school. I honestly found SWTOR to be extremely cheesy, too - with all their stupid cliche` quotes and typecasting, e.g., "I have a bad feeling about this", every Smuggler must have a Wookie companion and a fast/ugly ship, etc. It's so typecasted for kids that it was embarrassing to play.

I asked my dad, who happens to be a major executive within one of the most prominent steel industries in the US, about what he would do if he had won the Mega Million drawing.

He told me...  quit his job, purchase the SWG license, and remake the classic game with modern graphics.

Go dad!

Voice acting, IMO, is a waste of delopment time and money. Moreiver, it locks the quest into place. For instance, if a dev wanted to add to it or change it later, he would have to start a whole new acting scenerio.

Also, it makes the game disk req so much more.

Questing in general needs to be revamped. Atm, it's boring. People just speed right through it, hit "M" for map, follow the arrow, pick up the item or kill goblin, return the item, and omve on to next quest. All of it is boring

Originally posted by denshing

1: My guild in SWG made a ticket requesting help to fix a stuck statue at our city. The CSR (Customer service rep) Came a couple hours later, and the leader city warned him which flagged him for PVP if he didn't leave the city within a short period of time.

He ended up being attackable and we griefed him and danced on his corpse. Needless to say we all got banned, but it was fun.

 

2: In Planetside, my friends outfit was doing mock gen drops/holds. I was on the opposite faction and CR5. I told my friend that I was on the way to the base they were practicing at. They were about to leave so I had my friend ask them to do another run because he felt they needed more training.

They did this and I showed up in my cloaker, set my Orbital strike right above their galaxy. When they all loaded in I had already pressed the button and it was counting down. As it was going off I ran up to my friends computer and listened to all the members in TS screaming and yelling BAIL BAIL OH GOD BAIL as all but one of them blew up in a glorious fireball.

Haha! That was you?!?

I remember seeing that screenshot so many years ago on the forums.