Originally posted by strangepower

Hello World.

You act like it's your first time out of the basement. You went to a big box retailer... and stuff cost MSRP. Don't be surprised when the sun comes out tomorrow.

What!

Umm what about dec. 21 2012? Or has my attempt at sarcasm also been lost in the void?

Just took this photo today @ best buy. Thought it was funny considering the game is going FTP soon, enjoy!

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

It's definitely not underrated on this site.  I've tried it on two separate occasions and the core of the game is tragically flawed:

 

1) Horrible art direction.  Just really, really bad art and animations. 

2) Boring combat.  Inexcusable really

3) No full respecs.  Replayability to them means rerolling.

4) Horrible story

 

It's a poor mans Titan Quest which was a poor mans D2.

I don't know, I really liked Titan Quest. I wouldn't say D2 was all that much better.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Which one is more likely:

• That no "huge market" exists for sandbox MMOs or...
• ...every single major developer hasn't noticed the elephant in the room.

Occam's razor is a friend.

Real life is the biggest sandbox ever. If people didn't want to play they have pleanty of option to get out. Seeing as the worlds population is growing, I think maybe... there could be a virtual market for it too.

Originally posted by Z3R01

 

That's right CCP!!! Way to go!

Lets make a FPS and develop it for the PS3.

Lets completely ignore the fact that Eve players are on PC

Lets ignore all the suggestion posts of Eve evolving into Ground based Fps/Vehicle combat over planetary control.

Last I checked the 300-400k accounts that give CCP money are all on PC, The people that buy the books, the mechandise and goto your stupid fanfest are all on PC.

This game even if it was mediocre would have sold like hotcakes ON PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I dont know who makes the decisions over there at CCP but not delivering this game to their PC customer base is pure stupidity!!!!!!!!!!

 

./rant over

Probably 18039% accurate but i'll accept that this may only be 100% accurate.

Didn't they even delay or bounce WoD for this game?

Doesn't matter anyway. I'm sure that EVE fans will go buy the PS3 just to play this game.. ... .... ...or not

Originally posted by Krystalmyth

Originally posted by tixylix

I mean really I know what a beta is, infact it's when the core game is built and the final touches are going on the game. So really nothing much is going to change other than polish and a few things added here or there. However...

However nothing. This thread ended right there, because apparently you actually don't know what a beta is, but you're going to prattle on as if you did.

Beta phase, in a software development phase, has little to do with final touches. A Beta can reveal incredible large problems especially when related to networks or a grand number of hardware configurations it will be presented to. Also beta tends to expose a piece of software outside of a development team, usually to a closed or open public for feedback and appreciation. It has little to do with polish.

Sometimes a Beta can last years with much software, or even regress it into a state that requires rebuilding entire sections of code. A beta can, in rare cases, scrap a project entirely depending on funds. For a game as large as many MMOs, a beta is a unique phase in development as it puts the major networking elements into practice for monitoring, something not easily simulated in-house. Final touches? A networking team could only be so lucky to view a beta as a final touch.

There is no software nor networking program that can truly show what that network can do in a real life topography. Many times networks overestimate, and still find themselves unable to handle the load. From a technical viewpoint, months of efforts can be undone by hardware driver support from manufacturers who though working closely with a dev team (or not at all in smaller games) can still find themselves unable to properly render, initialize, or support a feature on a system.

As such a beta is far from a polishing of code, it is in itself another phase of the cooking process. If we were baking a cake, you're comparing a beta as the addition of frosting, when for many MMOs, the cake has just been put into the oven. It might still be in the oven when the game is released in the case of a poor game or tight production schedule.

You're belittling beta due to a severe lack of understanding of what it is. 

That's why you're sick of it. Expectations. Your expectations of beta aren't being met because you don't quite understand what it is. You don't quite know what a developer requires, or what kind of publishing entanglements are a part of it. You have no idea what the development cycles are, or how problems are being handled on the application or network layer, or how a developer is communicating with development teams from hardware manufacturers around the world. You don't know. You don't care. You just want to eat cake.

....and the thread goes on with 1 more post.

I believe he is referring to gameplay mechanics, not backend coding. Lets not disolve into metaphors here, we can speak plainly. GW2 wasn't about to add defined roles, SWTOR wasn't going to add a space sim and WOW wasn't going to add mechs with lasers.

Core gameplay rarely changes from beta to retail release. They don't usually scrap the main idea the game is built upon for another entirely different idea.

Truthfully I have no clue what programming expectations are from beta to release. I've never run into a beta that completely refocused core game design though, I would love to hear of an example.

Interesting.

I'm just watching the GW2 events unfold while on the sidelines. Seems similar to SWTOR in the way that it's took forever for any sort of negative commenting to become prevalient.

I wonder if it truly is a better game overall.

Originally posted by Lopido

Originally posted by Trionicus

Played a little while, the day of and before JTL. My Jedi name was Azernio Zeb. My main was Trionicus human. I remember seeing you around but since I was smashed half the time I don't remember a quarter of the people I knew lol

I remember trionicus

Oh hey there! lol I remember you too and so does Andronicus oh and Drudge.

They are attempting a business strategy. It didn't work on the OP and they lost 2 sales, that simple. We will never know how much they gained by employing this tactic though, I'd love to see those stats.

I don't think I would mind if every mmo failed and there wasn't even any light at the end of the tunnel, matter of fact, cave that fucker in... no tunnel.

I'll help pick off the fallout gamer stragglers and maybe a percentage will convert to table top lol

Different games, different scenarios.

And Anet didn't put five hundred Bajillion dollars into developement and advertising.

Originally posted by DKLond

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

I have a guild of 60 people who are all having a blast.

The game, like all games, is not for everybody, so be it. Time to move on then, get away from the game, from the forums, and do something else.

All 60 people are having a blast? Not a single one of them is getting bored?

Time to get back to the game then - and get away from the forums :)

That was pretty lulz. *thumbs up*

I really do wish I liked it more though. A decent amount of ex guildies from other MMO's are playing it so I could hit the ground running but... Just can't do it. Now I should try and return D3 to make up for it lol.