Wow what a fascinating thread. When will it get deleted?

Oh come on OP you must have known that the first reply to any post asking for a space-based mmo will ALWAYS be EVE. Every single thread like this gets the same replies over and over again. There is nothing else. It has been that way for years.

Originally posted by Shinami

It requires less than 1% of all the money collected monthly to maintain an MMORPG server.  

In short....any MMORPG that takes 1 month of Fees, has enough money to actually keep the servers alive for 8 - 10 years....1 million subscribers who pay $50 for the base game and 15 for the first month is 65 million dollars. A year of fees..is enough to keep a server running for a lifetime. In short, MMORPGs are just moneymaking scams for the most part....to convince you that you SHOULD PAY TO PLAY and then make you FEEL GOOD that you are PART OF SOMETHING.

 

Before GW 1 came out, everyone said that YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY AN MMORPG OR IT WILL DIE. After GW1 came out, everyone said "OH GW IS NOT PERSISTENT. SO IT DOESNT COUNT" but Instanced Games take more bandwtih to actually run than non-instanced games.....so when GW II is released and you have a full persistent game...if it succeeds...

 

The world no longer has an EXCUSE to hide behind. No longer will anyone be able to defend why a game needs monthly fees to survive. This is why I want GUILD WARS 2 to succeed.

I apologise for cutting down your post as it is one of the few times when I have seen someone posting on this forum with real genuine knowledge instead of opinion passed off as fact. Too many times people such as the OP who know nothing at all about the real costs of running mmos will claim that monthly fees are needed.

I wish more people understood what a scam monthly fees are. Unfortunately the majority of mmo players are like the OP and sincerely believe that they are neccessary. Now however when a company comes along that isnt being greedy and trying to rip people off, people become suspicious. They actually WANT to pay extra money for nothing because they are used to it. Its pure follow the flock mentality.

Everything you have said is exactly spot on. I also want GW2 to succeed for the same reason. Hopefully other companies will follow their example and in time we might finally see a decline in rip-off monthly fees and an increase in good quality mmos.......because those monthly fees clearly arent making any difference to the piss poor mmos that keep getting churned out these days.

Originally posted by teknician

Originally posted by mpking3

I saw the name " Guild Wars 2"  So long before a and wanted to try, then i found its still at develop process,  I always kept it touch with news on this game and waiting to see a DATE OF RELEASE.  

 

Now I feel Bullshit waiting for this, These people announced this  shit too early ,  

 I WANT TO PLAY THIS RIGHT NOW!!!!

Because rushing releases always turn out so well.  Do you know anything about game development or marketing?  I would much rather wait for a good game than get some instant gratification from a crap game release.

Indeed. I'm perfectly happy to wait for as long as it takes with this game as I have been waiting for years to play an mmo that is actually good for a change. GW2 might finally get me interested in mmos again. It's not like the whole universe revolves around Guild Wars 2 anyway. Its only a game lol

Well so do I, but you will just have to wait wont you

Originally posted by Robert_S4

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Corres

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Corres

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Corres

any other comment on that? yeah i too heard that Final Fantasy 16 sucks balls.

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals

A bit of education on how to read roman numerals.

To be fair though the OP did incorrectly post XVI which is 16 instead of XIV which is 14

heard anything about sarcasm? yeah?? good!

Heard anything about paranoia? Yeah? Good!

I wasnt being sarcastic. I was genuinely helping you to educate yourself and improve your knowledge, as by doing so you improve the average intelligence of the human race.......which is a good thing.

That was me being patronising by the way, just in case you didnt catch on.

oh well then i must thank you for that. thank you kind sir. 

being patronising to me? why?

 

nevetheless maybe should've written this in first post.

@op: go back to school

You're most welcome

I'm being patronising to you because you're reacting like an angry little child. All I did was correct an error you made and point out a source of information so you could see how to read roman numerals. If I lacked knowledge on something (which I do a lot) and then posted something which was wrong, I wouldnt be upset or angry if someone corrected me and pointed me to something useful. I would feel a bit sheepish and humbled perhaps, but also glad that my knowledge has been improved.

Posting "go back to school" is something you would have done. I chose not to do that. Of course some times I am indeed a sarcastic shitbag, but today is not one of those days.

 In before delete I suppose.

 

Seriously though, I'm pretty certain Corres was just being silly about it. As in... He knew that it's XIV but since the OP wrote what he wrote, Corres wrote what he did but leaving out the *sigh* at the end because it was that obvious, and yes, I really think it was THAT obvious.

Hence, why he wrote 16 instead of XVI.

Edit: The person being sarcastic was Corres, he wasn't implying that you were being sarcastic neonwire.

 

I can't care less though, forumland has some pretty "weird" people... meh

 

Sometimes people are better off if they just shut their zipper, myself included.

 Ha ha! Well in that case I had better get stuck into that humble pie as it seems I have a lot of it to eat in this thread

Originally posted by Corres

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Corres

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Corres

any other comment on that? yeah i too heard that Final Fantasy 16 sucks balls.

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals

A bit of education on how to read roman numerals.

To be fair though the OP did incorrectly post XVI which is 16 instead of XIV which is 14

heard anything about sarcasm? yeah?? good!

Heard anything about paranoia? Yeah? Good!

I wasnt being sarcastic. I was genuinely helping you to educate yourself and improve your knowledge, as by doing so you improve the average intelligence of the human race.......which is a good thing.

That was me being patronising by the way, just in case you didnt catch on.

oh well then i must thank you for that. thank you kind sir. 

being patronising to me? why?

 

nevetheless maybe should've written this in first post.

@op: go back to school

You're most welcome

I'm being patronising to you because you're reacting like an angry little child. All I did was correct an error you made and point out a source of information so you could see how to read roman numerals. If I lacked knowledge on something (which I do a lot) and then posted something which was wrong, I wouldnt be upset or angry if someone corrected me and pointed me to something useful. I would feel a bit sheepish and humbled perhaps, but also glad that my knowledge has been improved.

Posting "go back to school" is something you would have done. I chose not to do that. Of course some times I am indeed a sarcastic shitbag, but today is not one of those days.

Originally posted by jessian

So there i am, a once proud owner of an account to this game since 26 july 2003.  i have been alliance, horde and back and forth since my first level 60 warrior named Jessian on the deathwing server

 

now in 2010 i recieve an autobot email stating,

 

Account Name: ***************** Masked for security reasons :)

 

Reason for Closure: Terms of Use Violation -- Exploitative Activity: Use of Third Party Automation Software

 

This account was closed because one or more characters were identified using an unauthorized cheat program, also known as a "hack." These programs provide character benefits normally not achievable in the World of Warcraft. Such benefits include, but are not limited to, increased speed, teleportation, or running through walls/boundaries. Use of these unauthorized programs harm the game environment because they offer an unfair advantage over other players and supersede the intended limits of the game.

 

Now here is the kicker...

 

i have never bought gold from any seller.... i never went to get hacked or programs to do the above. now before anyone goes, " aye right, i dont believe you..." 

 

well my account is been FROZEN  since 2006...   strange that. i did think of using a game pass 2 months ago but didnt sign up. Yet strangley Blizzard can claim i used a hack program yet didnt have an ACTIVE account...

 

How ??? did Blizzard hack " bypass" my account?

Sorry if this has been repeated by others as I havent read all of the responses, but the email you received was a fake. If you log into "your account" using the links it provides, it will take you to an exact copy of the battlenet login webpage. I have been receiving these emails over the past month. Unfortunately I was too stupid to realise they were a scam. Its all pretty authentic looking.

However recently I contacted Blizzard support without using the links in those emails, so without realising it I got through to the real Blizzard. They confirmed that they had not contacted me at all and that all of those emails are fake. Character transfers, a purchase of Starcraft 2, password changes, illegal selling of accounts, etc etc........none of it happened.

It's tricky though because the emails use the same headers and email addresses as Blizzard does. Also I havent played any Blizzard games for about a year so I have not logged into my account through the normal methods for a long time. If I had I may have spotted the scam sooner. Now I know to just block and ignore those emails......which is annoying as I get one or two every week. Oh well.

Originally posted by Corres

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Corres

any other comment on that? yeah i too heard that Final Fantasy 16 sucks balls.

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals

A bit of education on how to read roman numerals.

To be fair though the OP did incorrectly post XVI which is 16 instead of XIV which is 14

heard anything about sarcasm? yeah?? good!

Heard anything about paranoia? Yeah? Good!

I wasnt being sarcastic. I was genuinely helping you to educate yourself and improve your knowledge, as by doing so you improve the average intelligence of the human race.......which is a good thing.

That was me being patronising by the way, just in case you didnt catch on.

Originally posted by Corres

any other comment on that? yeah i too heard that Final Fantasy 16 sucks balls.

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals

A bit of education on how to read roman numerals.

To be fair though the OP did incorrectly post XVI which is 16 instead of XIV which is 14

Yeah it "feels" like a sandbox game at first, but in truth it isnt one by any stretch of the imagination. The game world is big and open but really its as static as any other themepark game on the market. Nothing you do matters in the "gameworld" and I found that players tended to ignore each other as there wasnt any real incentive to interact. I thought the use of stats to increase would make it all more interesting at first but it rapidly became a real chore for me.

No danger. No excitement. Oh this npc wants me to kill 10 bandits. Why is that? Will it matter? Do I really have to? Is there something else to do? I could just ignore his quest and wander off but then I'm just ignoring the game so whats the point in that?........especially considering that there are more npcs waiting down the road who also want me to kill 10 bandits......or 10 snakes.....or 10 whatevers. Oh I can dig up some carrots I suppose and make a salad. Yeah this is what real gaming is all about. Hmmm.

All the while players are everywhere, running back and forth between npcs and the designated killing/harvesting hotspots like an army of mindless cloned sheep and completely ignoring each other as they focus on the only thing they can change - leveling up their own characters. It's not the players fault though. They were just playing the game the way it has been designed. It just seemed so drab to me, having a game where each player reads/plays their own copy of the story while watching others run around doing the same. I thought Fallen Earth was going to be really interesting as its developers seemed to have a vision for something different and new and yet to me it actually seemed even more boring than other straightforward mmos. I got no sense at all that I was in a harsh land where various factions were in conflict with each other.

The crafting system was also incredibly dull. I have no idea why some people thought it was good. No variety to it whatsoever. Get blueprint. Collect required items. Click create. Wait for item to appear. Repeat. Level up crafting skill. Move onto next object in the list. Repeat. Why am I doing this? Who cares what items I can make? I'm in a static lifeless world which I cant have any impact on and no one gives a crap about each other so why am I crafting stuff that everyone else can make anyway?

I played Fallen Earth for a few weeks and found it sort of interesting for half that time, but after that it just became painfully boring to log in and plod my way through it. All I could see was a loooooong and boring journey through an arid desert of a game. After that I just let my months free (?!) play expire. Maybe there was something amazing and awe inspiring way off in the distance but I just couldnt muster the interest to wade through the boring grind to find out. From what I have read of peoples reports the game doesnt really change that much.......but then these mmos never do. What you do at the beginning is pretty much what you will be doing all the way through. Fallen Earth seriously turned my brain off. I felt like someone had poured cement into my soul lol. Yep the world of Fallen Earth is indeed a harsh wasteland. It certainly sucked the life out of me.

But yeah I really dont think this is the sandbox game so many people have been waiting for (probably because it isnt one), but at least some people like it. Each to their own I guess.

Originally posted by slim26

This is the type of MMOG we wanted for years: actions, freedom of movement, freedom of attacking, Smart AI, destructive environment, great pull you in missions: story quest, side quest, sub quest, errand quest, secrete missions, spy missions, part time jobs. What about the awesome graphics even on completely low settings, great character animations, great combat animation. What about the EPIC boss fights, boss AI system that acts like human control, gear that looks  realistic game wise, crafting etc, I can list more but you get the point.

So is it because it is from South Korea or you few thinks the MT will be bad (P2W) from doing some research the item shop is just makeup and stuff, you cannot pay to win in Vindictus. Or, because South Korea is on another level in making these type of MMORPG/MMOG and most Americans not liking that "fact" wth is the deal seriously? This is like a dream come true for millions of people but most of you act like it is nothing new, bs... it is completely new technology  in MMO development (WAKE THE HELL UP AND ENJOY THE NEW GEN) because TERA, C9, B&S and Aion 3.0 is next on the list, peace. IF you few do not like what so many many gamers asked for, so what the hell do you few want as a MMORPG?

 It bugs me that so many americans seem to just automatically assume that everyone else is also american

Originally posted by karmath

 

There is nothing wrong with sub based mmo's. Most cost $15 maximum a month, pretty easy to see the value in it. A 2 hour movie will cost you easily twice as much. Some games fail because the game itself is badly designed, buggy, laggy ect. Not because people cant afford it.

......except that with a movie you can decide to watch it again and again several months later without having to repurchase it for the privelege. Movies are also fully functional products when you buy them. The makers of the film dont charge you to fund the making of their films.

Sub based games for the most part, are decent quality games with no gimmicks to make you spend cash a upfront fee that gives you total and unrestricted access to the game, were everyone else is on the same level playing field.

Thats your opinion. I think the majority of p2p mmos are really bad games that focus on quantity over quality in an attempt to keep the player paying and playing for as long as possible in the hope that one day the game might become good. This content is often bland and uninspired and feels more like doing a job than playing a fun game. Most of these mmos play like single player games with linear stories, except that other single player and multiplayer games are of higher quality.

No upfront fee? Really? I consider paying £30-£40 for the full game to be a pretty high upfront fee actually. If they left it at that and simply treated their game like any other computer game on the market (ArenaNet cough cough) then it would be fair enough. However to then continue paying a monthly fee in addition to this so you can play what you already paid for which is a LOT worse than other multiplayer games which are available is just silly

The so called f2p games while free to download are gimped in a way where you are really only playing the 'demo' version. These games need flashy gimmicks and marketing to pull you in so they can get your cash.

Most f2p titles rely on people who pay a heck of a lot more than the standard $15 in most cases to actually play the game as intended without limitation to compensate for others who just try the game and troll people in the 'global' chat.

 

tl;dr f2p is a scam, always has been, always will be.

 

Errm no f2p is a not a scam. How can something that is free be a scam? Paying money for extra stuff is a choice but not a neccessity. P2P games however with an additional full-boxed-price fee to buy the game encourages people to buy partially made games with the promise of them being complete at some point in the future. If all of this extra money from monthly fees led to higher quality games then I might perhaps see some point to it, but I havent seen this shining quality in mmos at all to be honest.

You should only pay ONCE for a game OR not pay a one-off fee at all and only pay for gaming time. You should not be charged both ways.

 

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

Just curious. Why is everyone repeating themselves like this? Isn't that just redundant? Also, nobody has bothered to "really" answer the OP's question.

The choice wasn't:

• GW1
• WoW
• "Other"

It was:

• GW1
• WoW

So at least try and pick something rather than subliminally promote how "revolutionary" Guild Wars 2 is by saying it doesn't play like any other MMORPG on the market.

I.E Does it have a skill bar? Yes? No?

Does it have a mini-map? Yes? No?

Do you move using a QWERTY keyboard? Yes? No?

Skill cool downs? Yes? No?

Instances? Yes? No?

This isn't of help to anyone.. At least give reasons why GW2 is "So different that it doesn't compare to either of those games"

>.<

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

No-one has chosen one of the stupid restricted answers offered by the OP because.......they are stupid and restrictive answers, neither of which would be a truthful reply. You're talking about how people arent helping anyone by not choosing one of those answers, and yet choosing one wouldnt be of any use anyway. In other words this is a totally useless thread that serves no purpose whatsoever.

Is GW2 more like jelly or chips? Who gives a shit! 

Indeed the Warhammer 40k universe has a pretty high "coolness" factor and it certainly has a lot of potential to translate very well to the gaming medium. I have just finished reading book 9 of the Horus Heresy (Battle for the Abyss) which was ok but not great.......although it was better than I expected considering it was written by Ben Counter who isnt a particularly good writer. In fact half the series is pretty rubbish and badly written, full of extremely tedius and repetitive situations involving yet another unstoppable army of super soldiers invading some planet full of heretics or aliens......or a string of really boring descriptions about how glorious and wonderful the primarches are and how all the space marines kiss their arses. It gets very old very quickly. Oh and I love (in a sarcastic way) the way the World Eaters (whose main thing is that they are angry all the time) primarch is called Angron. Yeah lots of thought went into that one lol

The best book in the series though is the 7th book called "Legion" which was written by Dan Abnett, who is perhaps the best warhammer author. All the others pale in comparison to his writings. Ironicly part of what made the book so good is that there is very little focus on actual space marines, which are really totally boring to read about.

Anyway all of this is irrelevant when it comes to games, especially mmos. As Grunty advised, I wouldnt get too excited about the upcoming mmo title. I think it is highly unlikely that this game will be the equivalent of a Dan Abnett book.

Oh and you should check out books written by Alastair Reynolds. His stuff is more grown up and crushes all of the warhammer novels......although it wouldnt translate well into a game in my opinion.

Originally posted by jvxmtg

" I may be well off the mark here -- I certainly don't know what the devs are plotting in those offices -- but the demo was nearly flawless in every aspect: combat, animation, events, and graphics."

 

 

I share his suspicions. As I've been saying before, IMO, GW2 demo is too polished to be in pre-beta stage.

But that's because you're judging it by the extremely poor standards of other mmos.......poor standards that people have grown to expect and accept over the years. There is no reason at all why an mmo should be released buggy and incomplete and then use its customers money to finish making the game a few years after it has been released. This doesnt happen with other types of game so why do players constantly make excuses for mmos? ArenaNet are saying NO to that in the same way that they are saying NO to subscription fees.

It seems to me that ArenaNet is the most respectable company around at the moment and could well end up making all the others look lazy and greedy in comparison if they dont follow their example. If ArenaNet can release a complete mmo with no sub fees then why should anyone pay other companies a sub fee for an incomplete one?

Originally posted by djg1011

Now my question is this. Are all of the people trying, for some reason, to tell the guy who, I think, makes it rather clear he is poking fun at his own review while writing it that he is failing to write a good review seriously?

 

I mean, does anyone unintentionally put conflicting words in a summary and then rate the summary by the word count? Can anyone be stupid enough to think that? Is this effort against him some form of counter trolling that just looks and definitely is [in my objective opinion (see what I did there?)] stupid?

 

For sure.

I think its more likely that the posters who are taking the OP literally are all from a particular country (or selection of countries) that just generally dont pick up on that kind of humour. So in answer to your question, yes people can indeed by that stupid

That article felt like a breath of fresh air on a sunny day. The more I read about GW2 the more excited I feel about experiencing it, as they are taking mmo game design in the direction I think it should be going.

I absolutely love the fact that things actually happen in the gameworld through action and gameplay, rather than just relying on a text file attached to an npc with an "accept" button to be clicked on. I always thought that was a complete copout and a space filler to compensate for lack of game making skill on the developers part. It's much easier to get a bunch of people to type up text files and pass off their online book as a game, than make an actual game to play.

These events happen for everyone rather than being seperate copies for each individual player (hence the single player game design of other mmos) and the fact that the conclusions of these events effect what opens up elsewhere is just awesome. Its a great step towards creating a real multiplayer game where the player participates in a simulated world and has to deal with the results of other peoples actions, as opposed to the online single player co-op games we have been seeing for years. Different stuff will be happening in GW2 each time I log in. Now thats a real mmo. Sure things will eventually cycle back and repeat themselves but even still this is definately the kind of thing I have been waiting for for ages. GW2 is going to give me a reason to play mmos again. Me = excited.

Originally posted by Redemp

I don't get it ...

Why do people spend so much time writing something on a forum purely to piss people off? I'm all for trolling for an arguement, which by-the-way is what trolling used to be. I won't however go out of my way to produce a post designed to piss off anyone who reads it, wasting both our time .... so I can bounce in my chair with joy when I "Trolled" someone?

 

Anyone care to explain it to me? =/

 Because its something to do

This article is a joke. How can WAR be scored a 10 on anything?  A 10 = perfect. WAR is miles away from perfect. In fact hardly any game should be considered perfect. The only thing that made any sense in this article is the first bit about the game world.

To say that WAR is effectively equal to DAoC is just crazy. It isnt anywhere near as good as DAoC. The entire design of that game was so much better. I wish a new revamped one would get made.