Originally posted by krakra70
OP I would have expected a post like this from someone who started gaming with WoW, not an MMO veteran. Your standards are way too low, sir. How can you even like the PvP in this game after having played DAOC?

Yeah,i lol at that myself.

ArenaNet would of got a +1 of me if they actually released with a Darkness Falls type dungeon.Oh, i think the op actually played daoc.

Originally posted by evilastro

Yeah I have to disagree about diplomacy and crafting. These arent meant to be 'side games' they are meant to be standalone professions, and take just as much time and effort as leveling your adventuring class. It is why you can progress to max level in any one of the spheres and not touch the other two. The diplomacy card game is a lot of fun, and crafting is complex and meaningful, which other games are often criticised on here for being too simple or worthless.

As for performance, yeah its still crap, and the game looks aged. A graphics overhaul would do this game a world of good. Some parts of the world look simply amazing, but the character models really got slaughtered when they did the optimisation patches after launch.

And totally agree about the F2P restrictions. SoE just dont get it, if they make it so everyone can play equally and then milk them for sparkly stuff and appearance gaer they will get a lot more money (and a thriving game which attracts more people) than with the current nickle and dime method.

+1

Just shows how some people haven't got a clue about the diplomacy system or crafting.What other mmo has a whole other item base and armour gear for crafting.You could play this games as a total crafter and not touch the other two spheres,it would take you just as long to level as adventuring and diplomacy.

Crafting has it's own quest and items,this isn't some micky mouse GW2 crafting system.

Originally posted by Jjay8869
VG in its current state is still one of the best MMOs out there.  Even with its disastrous start, I believe VG will be around for some time.

Agree totally,seems people talk a good one about wanting an old school pve game but don't want to give Vanguard another chance.

Thery would rather moan about DF2 not havinbg a pve server lol.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by NBlitz

For anyone complaining about people not creaming their pants over GW2 and making a post about it on the forums: be happy.

Once people stop making posts about it and simply quit the game without saying as much as a word...is when you should start complaining and asking "Where did everybody go?"

We are not complaining about that - what we do take issue with (just ast TOR, TERA< and TSW players did) is the 'Nagative Nancy's' on this forum. They do nothing but belittle everything and give NO CONSTRUCTIVE criticism at all. It is mostly those posters that are the 'DOOM and GLOOM' experts and the ones posting in threads like these, like you, for example.

 

The game does have it's negatives and positives - all games designs are compromises based on what the game designers want to put in. If there was a game that has something for everyone, would anyone play it? Probably not - people feel the need to complain.

Their have been many contructive criticism posts/threads on this forum about GW2.The problem is that most  of the GW2 fans can't handle anything negative said about the game.Don't make out that you except contructive criticism when the evidence point to otherwise.

I could link tons of contructive criticism post and show you how the over the top fans turn it into a learn how to play thread or go back to panda land lol,like every person who has issue with the game comes from WOW.

You don't want anything negative said about the game at all and if that's the case then you are on the wrong site.Perhaps you should head on over to the official forums or guru where 99% of the post are glowing reports.

If it's to hot in the kitchen i get out.

Originally posted by CcDohl

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by CcDohl

Originally posted by TangentPoint
 

In theory, sure, that could work. If we're talking hypotheticals, then sure.. I can concede that it might work. It's still not necessarily a good idea, and, in my opinion, not likely to be what they're interested in doing in the first place.

 

So you admit that I'm right. Cool. Thanks.

Nope you are not right.

Originally posted by CcDohl

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by oreal52

I would come back to DF if there was a PVE server for sure.I don't care about PVP and the meaningless gank-fests at all.

I would love to explore the world and everything in the game without geting killed every 2 minutes by some high level mofo who can't find a better thing to do. I'm feeling lucky because the world is full of pve oriented games,so i will always have something to play even if its not DF.Whatever happens to DF :) i don't care :P

Again,you want a vast open world to explore then come play Vanguard.

What are you? The advertising rep for Vanguard? Maybe you should invest in some banner space rather than just posting in the forums.

Nope my point is: if the op really wanted a PVE game that follows the same theme as DF but in PVE form then he would be playing that game instead of looking for it in a game like DF.

Let DF be DF and look else where,Vanguard is the obvious choice if he really wants what he is asking for.

Now,how does that answer grab ya.

Originally posted by oreal52

I would come back to DF if there was a PVE server for sure.I don't care about PVP and the meaningless gank-fests at all.

I would love to explore the world and everything in the game without geting killed every 2 minutes by some high level mofo who can't find a better thing to do. I'm feeling lucky because the world is full of pve oriented games,so i will always have something to play even if its not DF.Whatever happens to DF :) i don't care :P

Again,you want a vast open world to explore then come play Vanguard.

Originally posted by snapfusion

Originally posted by 123443211234
NO Everything in Darkfall revolves around pvp and the ability to be killed at any time.  A pve only server would be an entirely different game.  Although the pve in Darkfall is better, harder, and more interesting than any other mmo I've ever played it will never come close to preparing someone for a pvp encounter.  (i.e. your get comfortable and transfer comment)

NO really?  Why because you would be tempted to play on it?    Why in the hell do YOU care what people do with their own time? You dont like, dont play on it.

DF needs more subs and more money than their full loot PvP servers could ever produce.  They need this revenue to bring REGULAR updates to the game.  Something we never saw in the original DF.

A PvE / no loot PvP server for DFUW would quadruple their sub base the revenue base and the amount of conent.

Ill say it again,why are you not playing Vanguard.

It has a vast uninstanced world,bigger than DF.

It has a deep crafting system that is a whole other game in itself with it's own quests armour and items.It takes just as long to level up as adventuring.

It's has diplomacy which is another whole game in itself with it's own quests armour and items.Again this takes very long to level up and is full of telon lore.

It has open world dungeons,some takes days if not weeks to finish.

It has open world housing where everything is craftable,from bricks to wallpaper to carpets and plates,it's all player made.

It has vast guild halls that are totally player made.

It has ships from galeons to carvels all player made.

It has over land raid bosses and open air dungeons.

It has fully controled flying mounts and so many lands mounts its a joke.

It has great weather system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV8WRqTaEe8

If you really wanted a pve world like df you would be playing Vanguard,i think you don't know what you want.

Let df be df and play vanguard instead.

19 races and 15 classes.

Nah,you really haven't got the stomach for a true epic pve old style mmo.

Originally posted by googie23

its a great way to bring alot of new players into the darkfall world and when they are ready they can come to the PvP server and start a new character. never make an option to transfer from PvE to PvP.

Why not just play Vanguard,it has an open non instanced world and has many sandbox features but it's an PVE game.

Originally posted by Sicae
Vanguard, ff14, eq next. Thats your current and future "true" mmo. Now quit whining about WoW and how it ruined mmo's with sunwell, yogg+0, LK heroic and deathwing heroic.

This is it.

All these people in this thread saying they want old are just saying it,none of them really mean it,if they did they would be playing Vanguard.I've played the game for 5 plus years and it still has many things i have not done and discovered,nope i think these people are not ready for old school.

I am looking forward to this game as well,i have 2 beta keys for the european version called Age Of Wulin which sounds alot better than Age Of Wushu lol.

The European site is alot better than the NA site imo.

http://en.wulin.gpotato.eu/News/0100000000/1360402

As you can see i made the very first post/thread about this game on these forums,i love these kind of movies.I watched all the snake and monkey shadow fils and drunken master and many more.

Can't wait to try the game.

As for GW2,it's the most boring mmo i've ever played to be honest.

Originally posted by Eir_S
No one's surprised that you picked WoW or that you're bashing GW2.  I saw this coming the moment that thread went up.

And i'm not suppried you are the first to answer this thread,how do you find the time to play your bestest game.

Anyway OP,i voted the third option.

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by DMKano

If GW2 is to build a community, the game would have to support a lot of features with community as a focus  - until this happens GW2 will never have a good community.

That's entirely subjective.  I feel the game has a good community now, or at least it did when I was able to play a few weeks ago.  Is it the same kind of community as UO?  Don't know, never played it, but it doesn't sound like it.  That doesn't mean it's a "bad" community.

By community, he's speaking more of an in-game cooperative and social community, not just the playerbase as a whole.  Games like SWG and UO were very focused on players playing and working together to achieve goals, whereas modern games like GW2 consider social play to be joining a guild, and hanging out with a few people in voice chat.  I've even seen a downward trend in guilds being useful in the most recent games.  Lots of people join them, then never engage in with the group, because there's really no reason to.

You can add Vanguard and EQ to that list as well.

Originally posted by just1opinion
FFS how many negative threads can one person start?  We get it....you hate the game.  Almost everything about the game bothers you.  Solution:  Quit writing about it and go play something else that you enjoy.

No one forces you to read these threads,are you ArenaNets appointed champion defender.

Their is one but you are obviously not playing it.

Vanguard is not quite as harsh as EQ but it really isn't a walk in the park,it's a thinking mans old time MMO.It also has a vast non instanced world which has depth and mystery.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by RefMinor
It didn't change everything, so the premise of your question is incorrect.

Definetly this.

 

1) GW2 got rid of quest hubs: Yes, it also pretty much got rid of quests too. So.... I'll take quest hubs over that. The game is at least 98% kill/gather/destroy tasks. You know, those exact things people complain about in other games but for some reason when ANet does it, it is revolutionary.

 

2) GW2 is B2P: Yes, they successfully tricked players into paying $60 for a F2P game. Yet again, because it was ANet, it is revolutionary and will be the future of gaming. So the future is we'll all pay $60 for a F2P when currently you get F2P games for free to start with... good improvement.

 

3) GW2 auto grouped everyone: Yup, and they killed all socialization by doing so. Good to know the future of gaming is an MMO where no one ever talks to each other. Sounds fun.

 

4) GW2 did combos!!: Oh wait, other games already did those.

5) GW2 did Dynamic Events!!: Oh wait, other games already did those.

6) GW2 did WvW PvP!!: Not any different from RvR that has been done before only this time there is absolutely no point to it at all so it is boring as hell. Not a good improvement.

 

 

If we base the future of gaming off of GW2... we're f&%ked.

Could not of said it better myself,on top of that GW2 lacks depth.

I have no problem with the trail system,i'm looking forward to this themepark/sandboxx hybrid mmo.

The OP needs to actually word it right.AA is a themepark MMO with some sandbox features.

Hybrid is the future.

The OP talks like their is no progression in GW2 lol,like the game is all about just having fun and not worrying about better items/armour.

So OP are you telling me that you are still running around in your level 1 armour not caring about getting better stats because you are having to much fun.Are you telling me that you would play GW2 even if it gave you no rewards or better items as you progress.

GW2 is like any other MMO,it's a tredmill of proggression to get better shinny items,have you even reach level 80 lol.

You like GW2 and bully for you but don't assume that anyone who dosent share your views is not having fun.

Why bother with 99% of your thread when you could of just wrote: how can we force the MMO community to like GW2 because i like it.

You can't.