Originally posted by Entropy14

I agree , of all the mmos I have played, I found Tera to be the worse.

 

TSW when i did play , had a great community on the most part people were friendly and helpful

 

and most games I have played , there is a few idiots, but in general I found as far as mmos go, the chat was fairly reasonable.

 

But Tera , was in a total different league for idiots.

 

 

You haven't played much mmos or most of mmos you play doesn't have a server wide chat. If you turn off global and just have Area than ya its fine like most game. but any game with a server wide chat will be spammed with just a few idiots buts its server wide so you see it all the time where in other games they can only infect 1 area at a time.

Lancer OP =P

But ya game much more balanced, I say archer is the most OP class as of now coz of their insane stun duration on traps but thats getting fixed soon.

Originally posted by jungleninja

To all those that attack guild wars 2:

If you dont like the game, ok, but dont say things thats not true. The game rocks! It has changed the MMO world and all you guys and galls that attack it, are just angry that your game cant live up to the name! Go and play with your pandas then, if you dont like gw2. But dont attack without vallid reasons. All I read are attacks that have no real underline. Just attacks with their own oppinions and not true facts.

And about saying that Arenanet is facking the numbers? Look what Blizzard did. They gave 6 million people a 'free' copy of diablo 3 and said look what we did. I got mine free with a magazine sub. So.....

Im really thinking that some companies are behind the attacks on GW2. Why? Because noone with a clear mind would attack a game. Some people like it, some dont, but a real gamer wouldnt attack a game. Its more likely an employee afraid of loosing a job thats doing it. And they should fear GW2, because all others asking 15 euros a month for a sub and not adding hardly anything and then also asking money for an expansion, that the subbers already actually paid for.....!

So, here you have it, like it or not, but a real gamer is not a hater!

Oh and by the way...I like the other game too, but im no longer paying for a sub! GW2 rocks!

Read the red than read the blueish color than see how much you contradict yourself.

Originally posted by nsignific
Massively ironic, considering the years of hate WoW's been getting from GW2 followers.

Your not a fanboi your a fan. There is a difference. Fans like the game they enjoy it and are generally all nice people. Fanboi are obessed with the game any if anyone dare to say other wise they will form a mob and hang them. Fanboi are very defensive about the game and go out of their way to bash other games. They refuse any logic people put up and if your not with them your agains them which is why there is such a negative view of them.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

You play coz its fun? I do agree though the lack of progression that shows all the time you put in is a turn off for many people.

Originally posted by chryses

Love or hate GW2, it’s irrelevant to this thread.

It dawned on me last weekend how smart ANET is.  People can argue if GW2 has revolutionised MMO’s but one thing is for sure is that ANET has revolutionised MMO development.

Other MMO’s have 1000’s of missions.  I remember reading somewhere one particular MMO had over 7000 missions alone.  The development to do this is extraordinary, imagine the following:

• Number of professional writers ( So do most other games and the story is still werid. Fyi professional writer write books and movies script, many of them write game as if it were such and that is why lot of game story falls apart. Most game company use professional writes, its how well they ingrate them in that matters)
• Number of NPC’s and animations for mission ( So is lot of other games idk whats so speical here)
• Number of story arches that need to be taken into account ( Yes, but than again so did SWTOR)
• Number of mobs and unique NPC’s that the mission takes you to ( Not really on this part, I honestly wasn't very impressed with it, its nice but also very predictable in a mannar)
• Number of unique items, scenery, housing/setting for the mission giver and action. (welcome to mmos o.o?)
• Number of reward types and balancing, find tuning and bugs to iron out. ( So does every other game that want to successed)

The ‘numbers’ are absolutely astronomical.  The cost and time to do the above is as we all know, years in the making.  Partly describes why so many missions mid/end game are so dry and repetitive.  They run out of time/money and ideas! (There is no end game)

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Then there is ANET.  They HAVE revolutionised MMO development and I am sure other software houses are mad as hell that they didn’t think of this first.

Putting aside the main character story line/mission, ANET have no missions! They have implemented hearts which means there is only 1 NPC.  Only one point for issues, bugs, mobs etc etc.  It really is genius. ( which is a fusion of every single generic quest type in to one, so instead of doing 5 quest they fused it all to one and feel grindy as fck)

Yes there are DE’s but what ANET has done is got rid of tens of thousands of hours of development and invested that into DE’s that services a group of players at the same time.  I personally feel the world of GW2 is very polished and it looks like a lot of time has been invested to make normally neglected areas such as under water scenery, quite lush.  DE’s do not need professional writers, thousands of unique NPC’s and bugs are isolated so ANET can fix easily. ( What o.o.....)

Love or hate GW2 or the way it’s been developed.  The future of MMO’s may change forever based on what they have done.   

No it won't

Originally posted by Loke666

A few suggestions:

1. Gear. Always have updated gear, preferably gold (or if possible at your level orange). People complain and say that you shouldnt be forced to gear up for dungeons before max level but for us that play a while it is not so strange, and GW2 have a different view on "endgame" than Wow.

2. Speccs. Get the right skills, particularly condition removals help a lot. Also put points in at least one defensive tree. Put in some skills your teammates can combo with.

3. Teamwork. None trinity combat needs a lot of this or you will die all the time. Work together, get in combos and shift kiteing between several members. And while ANET say you can complete a dungeon with 5 of the same class a bit of variety helps and make things easier.

Vent, Xfire or Skype (whatever you prefer) for teamspeak also makes things a lot easier.

There is strategy, but it is a bit more subtile than in tank and spank. Training will help.

1. Thats kinda werid since GW2 was suppose to promote the whole no gear grind thing, but general mmorpgs rules wise go makes sense.

2. That could be hard unless your going with people you know, which kinda make PUGs suffer which isn't exactly a good idea for a game focus on casual player.

3. Same as before, yes it works if the dungeon was like a hard mode or heroic dungeon meant to challenge player and woudl require player to have good team work, be on voice chat and such. But expecting everyone to do it speically pugs? Its pretty unreasonable to expect static team work from pugs, everyone has their own play style and spec and unless you run with people you know chance are your not going to know what build everyone is using and having to reorganize spec would take a lot of time that many pugs aren't willing to spend because well its freaken pug group.

Originally posted by Kenze

if you want to trash talk GW2 do it on the TSW and SWTOR forums like everyone else.

People playing GW2 dont really want to hear it in game. We, the GW2 players arnet logging in to your games (like TSW and Swotor) filling you chat with complaints.

Its funny hearing this from a GW2 player coz thats exactly what you guys been doing for month before the game launched and am I glad it finally launched to get you guys to shut up a leave.

Originally posted by MajorBiggs

Your post was everything I wanted to say, worded perfectly. I can almost bet money that if not the first reply after this but maybe the one after will be a knee-jerk defensive flame that gets personal.

This is the reason I decided not to buy the game and honestly is the only real issue for me. Fans have ruined the fun and butterflies-in-stomach feeling you get when the game is just  launching. The people who are not open to criticism act as if their game is the blood of Christ, and if it were, why the hell aren't we seeing those kinds of results? "Well it's because people like you have bad taste/go back to WoW/yeah look how many it sold (if this is someones' only argument then they will soon realize how illogical it is)/...yeah..well..uh...F*CK YOU (runs off).

I've been told BY MANY PEOPLE IN REAL. LIFE. that the game can (especially if you work at it) truly feel like a single player game. I've watched them play it. Now....granted...To have someone throw personal insults at me about how i'm wrong is commonplace in any mmo, in any online community. It's just that percentage of appropriate response compared to inappropriate flaming response is much, much worse here.

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Originally posted by gildarbuc

-there does not seem to be ANY reason to pvp other than to kill other players and get pvp exp

You mean this game will actually have people who want to PvP just because PvP is inherently fun? That should be the ONLY reason to PvP ever!!!!!!!!

No it doesn't work.

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

i think that the "no trinity" thing is going to back fire on GW2.

all you get now is 30 people all dpsing. there is no structure, no roles, no diversity....everyone just jumps on 1 guy and tries to burn him down. since there are no true healers nobody can try to save that 1 guy that is getting focused. besically the team that burns down quicker wins.

 

there is also almost no incetive to try a different class. why should i  when i can already do it all on my current class? there is no different way to play, there are no different roles to try,  there is just wearing different armor and having different animations/spells/skill.....but they all do the same thing....dps and some heals.

 

the game looks nice, it's kind of fun, but i just dont know about longevity here. at least i dont have to pay every time i want to come back anc see what's new and different.

What I been saying and reason I personally dislike gw2. But thing is as we see in most mmorpgs,most people don't like tank/healer and all go dps. So it's works coz large majority of player like dps, and like just a big burn fest with no real roll or much team work (hint like fps) But hey it's targeting a large casual gamer base so it works well.

Took me less than 1hr so idk what your doing....

Originally posted by Mechanism
Seems stupid to me. A developer should be doing everything they can to gain more subscribers and subsequently more popularity. Cash shops are poisonous to both of those.
Even wow seems to have stopped growing when they opened their shop though ~10 million subs seems a good enough place to stop.

Maybe you like to include the fact that mmo takes much more money to make and substain than most game and does have limited player base to go around. Unlike single player game, people buy it play it than move on, unless title release realtivly close to each other it will not really effect sales of the game at all. while mmo is a game that keep player and most people don't play more than one. So if there are only 100m mmo player, every mmo is has to compete for that 100m people while single player game all 100m can buy both game. Back when the pool of mmo were small it was fine, the player were spread to a few games and each game did very well on subs alone. But now the pool of mmos are huge and its not realistically reasonable to try to surive on pure sub with more mmo takeing up the playerbase and increasing cost to make quailty game. So I don't see it as all that suprising to move to other ways to making more money to substain the game aka via cash shop. Ofc cash shop has to be done right or it kills the game but as of now I have no problem with it.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Teekay

Pvp is still pointless. 

What happened to PvPing because you enjoy PvPing?

Coz Tera serious business man who play games for fun any more. /sarcasm

No Bgs still!!

We know the one is coming in probably a month or so.

I'm living in that BG once its out =X

Chronoscrolls mean you can buy gold, so being able to buy any equipment you fancy. Which has a dramatic knock on effect on the economy making everything way more expensive. The same thing happened in Aion and killed the game for many.

Lol, as if, Chronoscrolls are selling for 1-2k which is basically nothing and the prices of important materials for crafting as well as gear have been dropping significantly. So many people i know bought chronoscrolls and can play for free now.

Don't try logic man never going to work.

The game is sub based yet they still have a cash shop present.

Just like basically every other sub based MMO.

Same as above

The end game is non existant. It's just running the same dungeons and farming the same mobs in order to get the stuff to raise your enchantments. You do this so you have better equipment than the guy you have to fight. If you beat him then....well...you get nothing, he loses nothing.  This makes it all pointles

The last 3 days I was online I have not ran a dungeon and i've been online for 36 hours. I helped guildies, did about 200 duels with people outside ZF and Bastion, did some group PvP, PvPd at ally guild DM practice, participated in a PVP event held by a guild, PvPd some more, did 5v5s with a guild we were at war with and spent a lot of time just talking and joking around with people.

I curious what game isn't just run the same dungeon at end game for PvE.

 

  

Also T14 crafted PvP gear only requires BG T13 gear and Mats from BG as well. Everything you need is from BG. And as for crafting, in Korea its extremely easy to lvl it up. And in NA t hey already lower the requirement mats to cap crafting by 2/3. Yu only need 1/3 of what you needed before to cap making it much easier than before,

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

 

i was under the assumption that Tera's end game wasnt filled with a bunch of loot obsessed little kids like wow.i thought Tera's end game was pretty much like Lineage 2,you get max level and then grind and pvp

 

... or spend dollars to buy gold with chronoscrolls and then comfortably obtain the best gear with minimum efforts.

Right now in US Tera chronoscrolls are really cheap because there are rich players that spend lots of cash to enchant their gear. Cash -> power

Just like an F2P game. 

 

At least there is no chronoscrolls in Eu Tera. Maybe Frogster wants to just go directly F2P and not "almost F2P" like Enmasse. lol

 

 

execpt you can only redeem 2 chronoscroll a week and they only sell for 2k gold each, I easy farm 2k gold in 3-4hrs or 1 lucky drop from a dungeon. And 4k gold is barely enough to just get your weapon depending on yoru class. So idk unless you want to do nothing and just sell chronoscroll for idk maybe 2-3 month than ya you can buy the gears you need.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

I'm not disagreeing with the OP but in regards to point 5.

 

Has there been any MMO in recent years that took someone 2-3 months to hit the level cap? I can't think of any. It seems to be a common failing in MMO's over the last 4 or 5 years that 2-3 weeks to max level is standard.

Not so coincidentally, how many MMOs in the last 4 or 5 years havent had a massive sub drop off during their first year?  I can't think of any....

how many other MMOS released right before 3 over hyped titles?

Originally posted by Terronte

They haven't patched in the miracle patch where the warrior can tank and it solves all the problems?

It's common knowledge people given power in MMOs will abuse it. If they are necessary they will have power.

Warrior can already tank before the patch, just almost everyone suck so bad they can't tank with warrior so they had to make it easier.

I say wait a week for people who play K-Tera to sent the new of the new update that went live i guess yesterday for them. And play the 7 day trial and decide from there. If you enjoy the trial and the QoA pt2 looks good to you get the game, even though we aren't getting it for other month or so your going to need that time to catch up. So far battleground has 10mins cd, but considering how fights can easly last over 10mins i guess its not really much of a problem, i think what it prevents is like total over geared or really good re-made going in and instantly wiping groups in few mins farming BG way too fast lol.