I'm sure you could find your answer with a simple search of video game review sites, magazines, etc.

Good Luck.

I voted as well, but don't we have a dozen of these already?

Originally posted by Mackeh
  WOW was amazing back then, a great sandbox world but cry babys like you spoilt it with your constant whining of being ganked then eventually Blizzard changed it all.  RIP WOW.

You lost all credibility by saying sandbox and WoW in the same sentence.

I played WoW back then  with the original pvp rankings, etc. I played on a pvp server as well. Most pvp consisted of being ganked by someone you had 0% chance of killing. Yes there were times when the guild would band together for some pvp, or to prevent what your guild was up to (griefing people wanting to go to a dungeon). If you think that is pvp, we might have different definitions.

Originally posted by Ralof

Really i think these two vids sum it up really..

 

Here we have a boss fight from the ultimate mmorpg ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3GiccdjBJ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

 

And here we have a boss fight from an unreleased mmo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3GiccdjBJ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Do i really have to say anymore,oh i will say one is from 2005 and the other is 2011,nope just joking they are both from 2011.

You might want to say more, because you really have said nothing. I won't watch vids just because some anon. posts it in here in some vein attempt to say "look at me, I am cool, and I am right".

I found it really hard to put down as well. I can't remember the last time I felt that way about a game.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I'm shocked @ this thread. I doubt any of you were actually SWG fans, or true StarWars fans.

I can send you a HD full of my screen shots if you like. What a completely ignorant thing to say. You have no idea what level of fandom anyone in here has.

SWG was riddled with bugs. Please tell me how this is wrong? SWTOR is more stable in beta than SWG was years after release. Don't doubt my experience please because I played it long enough to have an Elder Jedi, a second account, and so on.  I was skeptical on SWTOR through its' whole development, but once I played it, I was back in the Star Wars universe, and really enjoying it.

Do you actually think that your view of the Star Wars universe is the only one? I'm not sure you realized, but the era this game is set in, has very little to do with luke and his ewok buddies.

Originally posted by osiriszoran

I dont mind the combat or the pvp. my big thing is the lack of care Bioware took in making the game vast, open, & alive.

I understand your concerns, but in comparison, SWG had huge expanses of dead space with nothing to do, but look at the scenery. In addition to this, the game was riddled with bugs, and even years after it's release, it was not as stable as SWTOR is in beta.

I agree with you that cantenas were a fun social aspect of the game, but most people were only there for the musician and dancer buffs, and this actually forced the social interaction. Same with doc buffs.

I miss a number of things in SWG, but i have found SWTOR to be a far superior game overall. Hopefully, in the future, they will add more and make the planets more expansive, but not at the expense of less content.

I always thought there would be more cowbell, but maybe I am just tired.

On a more serious note. I would like to see worlds become much more expansive, but I realize the logistical issues in that expanse.

Originally posted by sanosukex

it really just doesn't seem to be implemented very well. For instance they could allow events to occur to flag your character so entire towns of npcs would react a certain way towards your character much like you see in the other kotor games and fable and such. The issue is outside the quests givers theres really nothing that reacts or is alive out there.. and I really think thats one of the main issues with the game

I see what you are saying. That type of game system exists already (ala SWG, and others), in the form of factional awareness of NPCs versus flagged/unflagged players, dependent upon the like / dislike value you hold with a given faction. That type of world changing has far less impact on other players and usually works well.

I haven't encountered that system in SWTOR, perhaps someone else could comment on it.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree for the most part.

The effecting the whole world concept, while nice in theory, is impractical in an MMO. If you change the world and alter something in a way that someone else cannot enjoy the previous content, it destroys that persons "fun". This is the extreme of course. It works fine in a single player game because it is only your world that is altered.

Some say phasing is an answer to this, but then grouping with people at different steps in their personal phase, becomes an issue.

I think this game is a good evolution on the KOTOR series, but I also think it is a good evolution as a MMORPG in general.

I was remembering a feature of SWG that I haven't seen in another game( it may be I just haven't seen it). You guys remember in pvp how you could incap someone, but you could finish them off beyond the incap (DB)?

Originally posted by rt33

 As I've said i believe this game is perfect for kids, I've read it has allot of hand holding, super easy, at its core it's simplistic (and no this isn't and bad thing to allot of people) as it's more entertaining for them this way.

I'm honestly very excited for my kids, it's probably going to be very exciting for them at first, but no matter the game they eventually tire of it, except Minecraft.

Priceless! I mean your whole post is veiled attempt at insulting the maturity of people who like the game.

The most comical part for me though is where you say you are excited for your kids. I can imagine the questions that will be asked. "Daddy, why do I have to cut his head off and deliver it in a bag?", to "Daddy, when I press flirt I get to have sex with a virtual NPC, can I have some cookies?

I will say this about the general comment you made. Any game ever made will become boring or tiring once you pass your personal limit.

Originally posted by 8BitAvatar

Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, "Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!" I don't remember that part, either."

Such a smug attitude those Bioware developers have.

You can take just about every mundane quest present in SWTOR right now and insert it into the above statement.

Hardly anything in the game resembles what any of the main heroic characters were doing in the movies.

Head out of sand for a minute here. This game is not based upon the movies. Your argument has been nullified.

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Zenjinx

/edited to remove waffle

Sidestep dodge, I mean really man, what do I have to fear? Your joking right?

Your doing it again... feel like answering the actual question I have asked?

Do you agree that the statement that this is the 'greatest MMO ever' is extreme to the point of being ridiculous, or do you support it? I am only aking you for your clear opinion here on the statement he has made.

 

I answered your question, but you still fail to see that it is not about whether the "greatest ever" statement was true or false (because it is completely subjective, even though you are ignoring that).

And I am asking you a question now thats beyond that, one based on your subjective opinion; Do you agree that the statement that this is the 'greatest MMO ever' is extreme to the point of being ridiculous, or do you support it?

And, no, you still have not answered it.

You should have been a politician lol :)

You can't seem to get beyond "the greatest game ever" statement though, and continue to ignore that the OP was expressing an opinion.

Not true. We have established repeatedly that it's an opinion of his, it has not been ignored. That's been accepted from the very start. I am now, clearly, asking for your view on it's merit.

 

You fail to see that mine or your opinion on whether or not the OPs opinion is valid, has no bearing on the truthfulness to the claim for the OP. To answer your question yes or no, would be playing into your hands, and give you something else to argue about.

All you are doing now is deflecting the conversation away from the fact that you had no basis in your hyperbole argument except your own hyperbole. That is all I pointed out.

I agree. Ex SWG player here as well. I had low expectations for SWTOR, but was suprised again and again by the games ability to suck me in. This has not happened to me in a long time (and a long list of tried games).

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Zenjinx

/edited to remove waffle

Sidestep dodge, I mean really man, what do I have to fear? Your joking right?

Your doing it again... feel like answering the actual question I have asked?

Do you agree that the statement that this is the 'greatest MMO ever' is extreme to the point of being ridiculous, or do you support it? I am only aking you for your clear opinion here on the statement he has made.

 

You edited out the important parts of my post to suit your agenda. Nice one.

I answered your question, but you still fail to see that it is not about whether the "greatest ever" statement was true or false (because it is completely subjective, even though you are ignoring that). I responded to your method of disregarding the OPs' opinion. You can't seem to get beyond "the greatest game ever" statement though, and continue to ignore that the OP was expressing an opinion.

Originally posted by Metentso

Same as saying "Crappiest MMO Ever Crated", simply pointless and meaningless, to be kind.

Just like posting what you just did. So let's all have a pointles post party shall we. This one is mine

Definately room for improvment in a number of areas of the game.

My experince with the space combat portion, leads me to believe that the engine can handle alot more than just on rails. Hopefully it will be fully fleshed out in the future.

Originally posted by vesavius

 

You really support his assertion that this is the 'greatest MMO ever'?

I mean... simplistic and silly 'hater' and 'fanboi' camps aside, you really stand by that statement?

I support his right to say it in addition to his right to feel that way.

It is not up to you, me, or anyone else to determine if one persons' opinion is wrong or right, but you tried to argue it anyway.

 

I didn't argue with his right to feel that way. I said the statement, obviously in MY opinion, was ridiculous and that he was, in MY opinion, a classic weekend tester gushing.

As much as he has a right to express how he feels, so have others. If you support his, I asume you support mine? Or do you only support rights to views that are on your 'side'?

But this is really beside the point I think... you are obviously posting what you have here as a sidestep dodge to not answer the quetion... do YOU think this is the 'greatest MMO ever'? Do YOU think the statement is sensible?

 

 

You argued that his opinion was hyperbole. I pointed out you were doing the same. That is the issue, not whether or not, the game is the best ever.

If you want my opinion, here it is: Played it, had lots of fun, only game I have ever preordered, need I say more?

Sidestep dodge, I mean really man, what do I have to fear? Your joking right?

Originally posted by XImpalerX

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by XImpalerX

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by sanosukex

have you seen the gw2 combat videos where you can cast a wall of fire then have a teammate archer cast through the fire causing there arrows to be coated in flames? thats some ground breaking stuff right there

This type of design has already been done in Plants vs. Zombies, so not exactly groundbreaking.

Plants vs Zombies is in a different class of games, where such a system is easy to implement. Stop flame baiting lol.

Please stop accusing me of something I am not doing. I am stating a fact, not making things up.

I am pointing out something that is true. I am well aware that they are different genres, however a gaming system is something that can be implemented in different genres, regardless of the complexity as you see it.

It was a counter-point to the feature being "ground breaking".

The feature is grounbreaking for MMO's. Get your facts straight.

Dont assume he meant the feature is groundbreaking to the gaming world. We are talking about MM'O's on an MMO forum. Duh.

You can take every feature of an MMO and compare it to another game and say "It's not groundbreaking."

Quit being dense.

Says the man who accused me of flaimbaiting. You think calling me names is going to get you anywhere?

He did not say MMO. You can go ahead and make assumptions, I will use what is in front of me.

You are right, you can take every feature and compare it to another and say "it's not groundbreaking". This is really my point. These buzz words are used far too much and really amount to personal marketing of what you like.

I'm sorry if I insulted your game. That was not my intent. My intent was to point out that X feature is not groundbreaking and that is exactly what I did.