Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Originally posted by Agrias34

The point is that there shouldn't be that option to begin with.No game should charge me for basic functionality that every single worthwhile MMO costs out in-game. The real price option shouldn't be there. 

 

It isn't a basic functionality.  If you want free respecs, go pay monthly for World of Dailycraft or some other 'worthwhile' MMO then, because D&D typically don't have respecs at all, period.  At least they are offering them for a small cost or some minor in game currency for those that like to bitch about everything and how the game needs to be more like WoW or whatever other MMO they stopped playing previously.

D&D has w/e the DM decides it has,  P&P games have no limitations you want a new char/respec you can get it.

Ive played D&D PnP games since 2.5 and even I know that this statement is wrong. In D&D PnP Games there ARE limittations, and they are pretty obvious. Theres a limit to how many classes you can combine, theres a limit to the skills you can have(swimming, cooking, first aide), depending on the class you use theres a limit to your stats and health(while its possible for a warrior to roll all 18s for stats its impossible for a Wizard to have all 18's). The list of limitations for PnP games is as long as the marianas trench is deep. With every new rule set that is released the list of limitations gets even longer.

I've been playing D&D since way before that i have no idea what 2.5 is since there was never D&D 2nd edition there was D&D, Advanced D&D and 3rd edition. And it's a PnP game there are NO limitations, the limitations are what the DM decides and what the group that is playing agrees on. The rules are there for a suggestion a good DM tweaks them to make the exprience more enjoyable for his party. If you wan't a new char an no one cares that you "reroll" or respec the DM will allow you to get a new one, iirc there are even guidelines in the DM rule book on how to do that...

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Guild wars extra Character slot https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/Store.pl?dnv=27193010&action=viewItem&item_id=93

A hell of a lot more then $2.50 and you even had to buy the box.

Nothing is making you buy these items nor will it affect you getting to max level.

I'm not playing GW2 even tho i bought the game heck i didn't played a single time since it launched(only during the Beta).

GW2 launched with more classes and races than NW and with arguablly more content, NW forces you to pay for allot of things and will make you pay for more content. There is a reasonable amount to spend on a game per month and to me NW is way way off that sum, not to mention that it does it in very poor taste. I've spent  50-100 GBP some times in a month in LoL without any regerts since there have been periods where i didnt spent a dime for a much longer period. I have enough disposable income to spend on stuff, but feeling forced to do so i just no my cup of tea.

 

Actually NW has 7 races (not including the Drow) and 5 classes (with more coming), GW2 had 5 races and 8 professions not much of a difference there.

Classes are harder to make and more important in terms of diversity, and at least the races in GW2 had a unique setting and story line. But again this isn't about GW2 vs NW, and the fact that one game makes a cash grab does not mean that another should, you should not excuse somthing you disagree with just because others also might be doing somthing simmilar.

Originally posted by Fendel84M

lol if some of the people in this thread had their way the cash shop would be so cheap or non-existent the game couldn't make any money. I get that you wish it were a sub game, I do. But it's not, get over it and either play as you can for free, or don't play at all.

You fail to realize that 100% of the content is available, there's no "you have to purchase these special gems in order to craft your epic gear" or "buy this dungeon pack!" You can play this game as much as you want for free and how dare they have the nerve to charge $5 for a character respec! THE NERVE!!!

Seriously, constant respeccing is a rather new feature in RPGs/MMOs but now people feel entitled to them. If you can't afford $5 Cryptic probably isn't too concerned about losing you anyways. The rest of us will have fun and respec when we need too/want too.

Paying for content is expected, paying for features and gear is a bad decision no matter how you spin it.

And trust me you really think that a game that came out with only 4 classes is not going to charge you for new ones? As i said i would not mind that, i would not mind a sub, but i do mind cheesy cash grabs. I make about a 100K GBP a year, my GF pulls in another 35 i can spend enough money on games and i do that every month. But the cash shop in NW looks like a Zynga nightmare to me.

Vanity items, content, additional char slots, boosts(non-disruptive ones) are all ok, respec, bag slots, and other basic features are not.

Originally posted by Saxonblade

Guild wars extra Character slot https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/Store.pl?dnv=27193010&action=viewItem&item_id=93

A hell of a lot more then $2.50 and you even had to buy the box.

Nothing is making you buy these items nor will it affect you getting to max level.

I'm not playing GW2 even tho i bought the game heck i didn't played a single time since it launched(only during the Beta).

GW2 launched with more classes and races than NW and with arguablly more content, NW forces you to pay for allot of things and will make you pay for more content. There is a reasonable amount to spend on a game per month and to me NW is way way off that sum, not to mention that it does it in very poor taste. I've spent  50-100 GBP some times in a month in LoL without any regerts since there have been periods where i didnt spent a dime for a much longer period. I have enough disposable income to spend on stuff, but feeling forced to do so i just no my cup of tea.

Originally posted by Destai

Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Originally posted by Destai

Originally posted by Agrias34

The point is that there shouldn't be that option to begin with.No game should charge me for basic functionality that every single worthwhile MMO costs out in-game. The real price option shouldn't be there. 

 

It isn't a basic functionality.  If you want free respecs, go pay monthly for World of Dailycraft or some other 'worthwhile' MMO then, because D&D typically don't have respecs at all, period.  At least they are offering them for a small cost or some minor in game currency for those that like to bitch about everything and how the game needs to be more like WoW or whatever other MMO they stopped playing previously.

It's game functionality. And this isn't DnD - it's an MMO game. You know why it needs to be like WoW? Because that was a good game. It didn't suck so much that they had to nickel and dime everyone at every corner. It's so nice of them to offer it for an in-game currency. As every other game does. They want to charge me real life money for something like that? Fine. I hope it sinks. Unfortunately, we won't see this trend go away because people think it's ok and open their wallets. 

Well it does allow you to do that trough AD conversion into Zen, the problem is that with the current "drop-rates" for AD it will take you 5-10Days to get to that, heck if you buy the 60$ pack the amount of AD you get will barly be enough for 3 respecs.

Considering that many other game "functions" require you to spend Zen in addition to that it looks like a very costly F2P title to me atm.

Currently you get 5300(with the "bonus") zen for 50$, a mount costs upto 4500, the largest bag costs 1500, a henchman costs 2000, so yeah this looks to be a very expensive title indeed.

Yes i know that you can exchange AD for Zen but still this does not excuse a poorly designed item shop.
They charge you a very hefty sum for basic game features but on the other hand vanity items and keys are fairly cheap. If anything it should be the other way around charge as much as you want for a dye or for a funny hat, but do not charge for basic features that should be in the game.
Heck next they'll charge you per instance run or per arena que...

Right, that's problem. It's specifically designed to get players spending more money. Great business design, but makes playing the game shameful. That's why I'm so staunchly against these games. It's borderline exploitation. 

Yep, especially since you will have to pay for any new content like classes and races. Honestly that alone should've been enough make it LoL style NW could've been one of the only games to pull that off in a RPG form factor due to the D&D setting.

D&D has tons of classes and races, even tho the 4th edition kinda went WoW mode and reduced the amount of them, the expanded uni's such as TfR still have tons of them. The game released only with 4 classes and a handfull of races they could've charged you 10-20$ for each new class or race simmilarly to how skins and champions are sold in League.

That still would've made them enough money and would make it actually a great deal for the consumer, i love to spend money in league to be outfit the champ i like to play with the visual style i think suits them the most. I  don't mind spending RWC for new champs altough i usually have enough IP to buy them when they come.

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Originally posted by Fendel84M
Personally, respeccing isn't a basic feature. Too many MMOs have just made you feel entitled to constantly change your spec.

Some weight to your decisions is kind of refreshing.

There are much better ways of making those decisions count. Locking out respecs with a 5$ mark will prevent most people from experimenting which will at the end result in another meta-game cookie cutter type experience where before you even pick what you like you go online and get the spec for it.

Respecs should cost XP, in game currency, diminishing returns, cost increase with level(skill or overall) etc. but 5$ per respec? that's pushing it a bit too far, i love playing out new and strange builds, experimenting with abilities that are not picked up in most cases and finding new play styles that i might enjoy. However I'm not going to spend 50-100$ per class to do so on top of all the other RWC transactions that the game forces or requires you to use.

Also i really don't see this as adding weight to my decision, it's just restricts you based on the amount of money you can and or willing to spend. This is to me is a bad design model not something that is interesting, i loved the no respec policy of TL2, but this seems to me as nothing more than a cheap money grab.

I was really looking for NWN, but the 5$ respec and the fact that there is no sub way out of it is really keeping me from buying/playing it. So far the "astral crystals" drop rate and their exchange rate do not seem to be enough to allow you to just live with it.

/Sigh.

 

 Respecs in my opinion shouldn't exist. If you messed up reroll or at least limit them to MAYBE 1-2 times per character. Like someone stated earlier respecing shouldn't be handed out willy nilly and if you mess up because you didn't properly plan you character. The fault is on your end not the games. 

 This also does not change character experimentation so stating that "cookie cutting" would be far worse than normal; that's just bs. Diablo 2, Titans Quest, Anarchy Online, etc for the longest time didn't have multiple resets to cater to the people who screwed up their characters. People worked with it which produced some of the most interesting and unique builds.

 If you cannot understand how it's adding weight to your decision on whether or not taking too much damage, to much health, or too many of the wrong skills is an issue. Then there's no reason to really debate this. You simply don't get it. You're stuck in the casual mindset where as someone earlier has pointed out.

BS, I was ranked top 5 on top on the EU BNET gateway for several months and diablo 2 technically had a "respec"(and no i don't mean that newbie "quest" you got at the rogue camp that allowed you to do it once). what everyone used to do is use char editors and play on open BNET to experiment with new builds and then level their main champ on the closed (persistent) servers. The game (esp around 1.08-0.7) was very competetive and no one wasted their time by wasting skill points to "expriment".

Originally posted by Destai

Originally posted by Agrias34

The point is that there shouldn't be that option to begin with.No game should charge me for basic functionality that every single worthwhile MMO costs out in-game. The real price option shouldn't be there. 

 

It isn't a basic functionality.  If you want free respecs, go pay monthly for World of Dailycraft or some other 'worthwhile' MMO then, because D&D typically don't have respecs at all, period.  At least they are offering them for a small cost or some minor in game currency for those that like to bitch about everything and how the game needs to be more like WoW or whatever other MMO they stopped playing previously.

It's game functionality. And this isn't DnD - it's an MMO game. You know why it needs to be like WoW? Because that was a good game. It didn't suck so much that they had to nickel and dime everyone at every corner. It's so nice of them to offer it for an in-game currency. As every other game does. They want to charge me real life money for something like that? Fine. I hope it sinks. Unfortunately, we won't see this trend go away because people think it's ok and open their wallets. 

Well it does allow you to do that trough AD conversion into Zen, the problem is that with the current "drop-rates" for AD it will take you 5-10Days to get to that, heck if you buy the 60$ pack the amount of AD you get will barly be enough for 3 respecs.

Considering that many other game "functions" require you to spend Zen in addition to that it looks like a very costly F2P title to me atm.

Currently you get 5300(with the "bonus") zen for 50$, a mount costs upto 4500, the largest bag costs 1500, a henchman costs 2000, so yeah this looks to be a very expensive title indeed.

Yes i know that you can exchange AD for Zen but still this does not excuse a poorly designed item shop.
They charge you a very hefty sum for basic game features but on the other hand vanity items and keys are fairly cheap. If anything it should be the other way around charge as much as you want for a dye or for a funny hat, but do not charge for basic features that should be in the game.
Heck next they'll charge you per instance run or per arena que...

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Destai

Originally posted by Agrias34

Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Originally posted by Fendel84M
Personally, respeccing isn't a basic feature. Too many MMOs have just made you feel entitled to constantly change your spec.

Some weight to your decisions is kind of refreshing.

There are much better ways of making those decisions count. Locking out respecs with a 5$ mark will prevent most people from experimenting which will at the end result in another meta-game cookie cutter type experience where before you even pick what you like you go online and get the spec for it.

Respecs should cost XP, in game currency, diminishing returns, cost increase with level(skill or overall) etc. but 5$ per respec? that's pushing it a bit too far, i love playing out new and strange builds, experimenting with abilities that are not picked up in most cases and finding new play styles that i might enjoy. However I'm not going to spend 50-100$ per class to do so on top of all the other RWC transactions that the game forces or requires you to use.

Also i really don't see this as adding weight to my decision, it's just restricts you based on the amount of money you can and or willing to spend. This is to me is a bad design model not something that is interesting, i loved the no respec policy of TL2, but this seems to me as nothing more than a cheap money grab.

I was really looking for NWN, but the 5$ respec and the fact that there is no sub way out of it is really keeping me from buying/playing it. So far the "astral crystals" drop rate and their exchange rate do not seem to be enough to allow you to just live with it.

/Sigh.

 

Originally posted by Destai

Originally posted by Fendel84M
Personally, respeccing isn't a basic feature. Too many MMOs have just made you feel entitled to constantly change your spec.

Some weight to your decisions is kind of refreshing.

No, it's nauseating actually. This is basic character development - the best part of any MMO or RPG - that is being barred behind a price tag. This is what is wrong with gaming now. Every turn they can charge, they will.

 

 

Both of you are forgetting that you can respec by either pay the 5 dollars straight up, or earn in game currency, aka Astral Diamonds (AD) and use the ingame exchange center to trade in your astral diamonds for Zen (cash shop currency).  It will only take you about 150k - 250k ADs worth to get the 500 zen for the respec.  Guardians founder pack starts with 600,000 AD, and you can make anywhere from 25 - 50k astral diamonds per day by doing daily quests or events that happens hourly.

 

On top of this, the respec is really not necessary.  Each skill can go up to rank 3, and it costs 1 point per rank.  Each rank only increases the damage by 10% or duration depending on the skill.  You get about 60 skill points total and each class has around 27 skills/passive/daily powers, so a total of 81 point possibilities.  This means you'll only be 20 or 21 points that you won't be maxing out each skill.  You literally cannot mess up the skill tree, only if you really try hard to make it bad.  There are just some passives or daily powers that you won't like, probably won't ever use, and won't need to waste your points on them, or you just get rank 1 of it to have it just in case you need it at some point, but don't need to max it out.  10% damage increase isn't going to win/lose you the game, nor is spending 5 days getting the diamonds needed to buy a respec token if it really is that serious of a problem and you don't want to spend 5 dollars.

The point is that there shouldn't be that option to begin with.No game should charge me for basic functionality that every single worthwhile MMO costs out in-game. The real price option shouldn't be there. 

Get a grip of yourself, the game is free, and noboddy is telling you that you need to respec...

 

Those people spend a lot of money building a game, they need to get a chance to make some of it back out of the players wallets, dont you agree?

 

Nothing in this world comes for free, ever, remember that...

NP, put a sub opt-out option....

My main issue with F2P atm is that it follows the simple mentality that making every one pay 15$ is harder than make a handfull pay 100$+ a month from MT's.

This whole "casino" type business model is not to my taste, and for most part Cryptic said that it will stay away from those kinds of transactions and it seems that they are introducing them now day by day since the game went out of CB.

Originally posted by Agrias34

The point is that there shouldn't be that option to begin with.No game should charge me for basic functionality that every single worthwhile MMO costs out in-game. The real price option shouldn't be there. 

 

It isn't a basic functionality.  If you want free respecs, go pay monthly for World of Dailycraft or some other 'worthwhile' MMO then, because D&D typically don't have respecs at all, period.  At least they are offering them for a small cost or some minor in game currency for those that like to bitch about everything and how the game needs to be more like WoW or whatever other MMO they stopped playing previously.

D&D has w/e the DM decides it has,  P&P games have no limitations you want a new char/respec you can get it.

Originally posted by Fendel84M
Personally, respeccing isn't a basic feature. Too many MMOs have just made you feel entitled to constantly change your spec.

Some weight to your decisions is kind of refreshing.

I was really looking for NWN, but the 5$ respec and the fact that there is no sub way out of it is really keeping me from buying/playing it. So far the "astral crystals" drop rate and their exchange rate do not seem to be enough to allow you to just live with it.

/Sigh.

Can any one who's been playing the game summarize the Free 2 P(l)ay pitfalls/money sinks in this game?

I've been following it around for many months now and i don't really like what i hear. Is it true it still costs about 5$ to respec in this game?
I don't mind paying for some things, heck i would rather have a sub based game or at least an option to sub/B2P to get access to items and mechanics(respec, mounts, char slots, item space, banks, guild formation etc'_ which are usually exploited by the dev/pub to capitalize on.
Is there a list of every thing in this game which costs money especially things which are a core game mechanic or an artificial boundary which there isn't a practical way to pass w/o paying.

If not can people who've been playing the game list those items? The only reason i haven't bought the founders pack so far is that i tend to stay away from F2P/MT games like from wildfire. Not because i assume they will be of a lower quality but because i do not want to be playing a game which will force me to access basic features.

Originally posted by StormwindX

Hey y'all.

 

This coming late Aug/early Sept I'll be moving to the UK to study for my M.A.. Since it's game-related, this means I'll obviously need a computer powerful enough to run most/all games decently, which means I'll have to build one over there, as I don't really think traveling with a desktop in my luggage would be a very smart thing to do.

 

With that in mind, do any of you know of any good Newegg-ish computer part stores over there? Also, would it be possible to build a powerful gaming machine (monitor included) with just £500-600? I know prices will most definitely be different by springtime, but it's always good to have an estimate beforehand.

 

Thanks in advance for any info you guys may provide.

 

PS: Just to clear up any confusion, I'm from Brazil, so unfortunately buying stuff over here is kind of... not an option. Quite possibly the worst prices on the planet for parts and stuff over here.

Buy it in the US all but the case and PSU and bring it to the UK, the hardware prices here are insane.

Originally posted by Asheram

The First 15 Minutes of Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon

This looks pretty awesome. For $15 I bet it is going to feel way too short.

GOTY.

WildStar looks like the first post-WoW(Vanilla) MMO i might actually stick too. Their attitude and design choices seem to be very well attuned to many kinds of players. The fact that they are bringing 40 man raids back, attemping to make combat more engaging, and not going for the whole lets make leveling a single player like exprience trend makes it look really appealing.

Seeing all the latest PAX footage really gives me the old WoW vibe, when leveling took months, you were excited to get into a new area, and when killing any thing in a raid instance was considered an acomplishment. If they'll bring the guild exprience back as it was in the old days from farming the tainted scar for eye of shadow to puting Onyxia's head on a pike it's going to succeed atleast in bringing me back to MMO's.

Originally posted by muffins89

Originally posted by Purutzil

 

 

 

 

 

EA, you might not be as bad as other companies on the poll, despite the silly resaults, but you are not that much better when you can take an industry about entertaining and make it to rake in cash. For that, I middle finger salute you.

people go in to business to make money. 

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I think the first MMO for VR will have allot of transparent "armor" in it and a very innovative combat "mechanis"..

Originally posted by Bidwood

Hi everyone,

I haven't been able to find out much on this...  but can anyone comment on how practical it will be for the PS4 to handle MMOs? It sounds like a much more modern machine and the the architecture makes it a lot easier to port over PC games without having to do many changes.

Sony is also trying to make the console more open to Indie developers...  or is at least claiming that. Apparently they will be able to self-publish their own games without needing a big publisher like Activision.

Thoughts?

The PS4 is no different than any other console that came before it, MMO's did not flourish on consoles not because of hardware limitations(at least not when it comes to processing power) since most consoles atleast in the first years of their life cycle are more powerful than the average PC(especially the ones that most MMO's users have).

Designing an MMO for consoles has it's own challenges, mostly in regards to controls, social interaction and average play session length.

You won't be able to play most of your traditional(EQ style) MMO's with a console controller, the interface and the combat was never designed for that. And games that require an additional add-on or a special controller usually fail, that also ties into the social aspect of the game since most MMO's till this point were chat based it will be quite hard to socialize in the game. VC will never be able to replace chat in MMO's, not everyone wants to reveal their voice, and not everyone is sufficiently fluent in speaking english. Also you need to remember that consoles thrive on pickup & play friendly games, MMO's usually require  a much lengthier play trough session than say Call of Duty. In all honesty sitting on a couch for 4-5 hours is not that comfortable(and yes i know some people do that, but still in most cases a decent chair and a desk will be preferable to most people).

In general i don't really see why some one would want an MMO on console, pretty much every trend and design choice(instant travel, automated ques, short instances etc.) that people(especially on this forum) seem to hate in today's MMO is not only a must for a console MMO, but most of them will be "enhanced" to make console gamers feel at home(i have no beef with console gamers, i own a 360 and a PS3 but the games i play on them are not the same games i choose to play on my PC).

If any thing the next frontier for MMO's will be mobile devices, and with how they been advancing in recent years it makes more sense to port an MMO from a mobile device to consoles than from a PC since mobile devices and consoles share similar limitations and design requirements.

OFC on top of that you have the "legal" BS that the console vendors impose on you, both in terms of royalties and interaction with their online platform can make the life of a developer/publisher a nightmare. Also it will be quite hard to design a game in which you can have people on both different consoles and the PC playing together, this is why it has not been done in almost any title before. Both due to the fact that the control's and the game play have to be adjusted for each platform(even for different consoles), and that it might be impossible(technically and otherwise) to link different online farmeworks together.

And the first rule of thumb for any MMO is never split your playerbase, MMO's live and die depending on the amount of people playing them, this isn't CoD where you split the games into 16 players without any one caring. Having your allready small(and havily contested) playerbase split between multiple platforms will kill any MMO no matter how good it is and how much money the publisher can afford to throw at it.

Originally posted by Warjin

I am at a loss for words on how a company can sell sex to mainly kids just for a fast buck, I have seen some pretty strange things in my time playing MMO but this games advertisements takes the cake lol.

Man oh man I can see now why women get offended, we as a people use them as objects to sell things, do those devolpers even have daughters, wives, mothers lol, no wonder we as a people are so messed up, look at how they sell a video game, what's next, posters of a half nude chic eating a Big Mac on a Mcdonalds poster outside of a drive though or how about nipple pasties on Wendy from the fast food join Wendy's, yeah that will sell some double cheeseburgers lol.

We live in sad, sad time people, very sad lol.

Not commenting about the "game" but rather about that stupid example you gave of a BK commercial..

If this was a guy in a taco commercial with similar innuendo people likw you would still bitch and moan that it objectifies women. Women can and do enjoy sexuality just as men do, sex sells to both sexes the fact that the target audience of a game is mostly teen-age males with some disposable income does not mean that the developers/marketing people are some sexist pigs.

The sad part is that when femenism started it was about the libiration of women a key part of which was the liberation of their sexuality. Now we have insane women crying about objectification(when they objectify themselves just as much if not more than males) , and more importantly men with a white knight(or in most cases just pure old mysagonism) complex thinking they have to be the vanguard of every pair of boobs on the planet.

Women are quite capeable of taking care of themselves, heck they have been running the pron industry since the late 80's, and in advertisements women and gay men are 3 times most likely to add sexual context to the add(at least in copyrighting) than straight men.

If you care so much about social equality find a cause that will be actually worth to fight for, there are plenty of god honest battles out there. Saying look guys we are bad cuz we like big boobs is pointless, either you are one of those man that want  women to get back in the kitchen wearing a chastity belt. Or you one of those guys that is so incapable of finding a women that you think point guarding for their sex will help you score.

Both men and women are capable of handling their sexuality on equaly, i see no issue of having sexual content in a game which is aimed at a sufficiently mature audience. I doubt you have any reservation to the fact that male characters in most games(well western games at least) look like the love baby(unless you are a republican than replace that with the spawn of satan) of a 3 times olymic swimmer and an underwear model. But oh noes some another cheep game tries to get some more players with big boobs and slutty outfits, call the PC hotline we have a really bad case of sexism!

/sigh

Originally posted by Greyface

I've been playing table-top RPGs since I could hold a pencil, and I don't think any of them had any notion of an aggro mechanic.  We had THAC0 and alignment languages, but never anything so stupid as the trinity.

In old-school CRPGS, it made sense to put your heavilly armored characters up front, but there was never any special mechanic that pigeon-holed characters like the current trinity does.  As far as I know, all that originated with Everquest (I could be wrong -- I was playing UO back then, where everyone was a heavilly-armored mage and we bandaged our own damn selves).

No, but you stil had tanks, healers, and damage dealers,  and with AD&D and D&D3rd edition agroo rules, and mechanis did arrive, and now 4th edition has it implemented.

The only difference is that tabletop games have a person leading the NPC's, if he ganks 24/7 the level 2 mage with 17 hit points he will wont be a master for that long.

Originally posted by ewlinitis
Nope , otherwise it'll just be "another clone MMO" , this is not Darkfall's intentions. So you might be trying the wrong game.  People will be playing this game for the PvP not for the looks of the toon.  Clan politics and warfare , land control and domination, power over all , fear , suspense.... Millions play Call of Duty , yet they all look the same.  All about the gameplay mate , the rest can wait.

CoD is not an RPG, DF is, limiting people to a single char is quite dumb, and if any one is thinking that they wont be selling additional char slots is high.

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Originally posted by sekuharadaioo Why don't you just play both? 

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Cuz most people don't have time to play both?
And they are so different that you really cant afford to screw with them both unless you only play a few drunk custom games a month with your friends.