Originally posted by MikeB

Actually, I didn't lock it. One of my moderators did. I simply decided to give you guys the benefit of the doubt and re-open it and see how it goes. ;)

Fair enough and grace points to you then. 

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Pretty much all of their articles are designed to push advertisers to the site.  They really have no harsh criticism for ANY MMO.  But at least they allow the discussions to be critical.

Not really.

He said while posting in an EXTREMELY critical forum thread, that honestly should have stayed locked and should never even have been made.

 

You realise he did lock it right? When he realised such an action would only match the unprofessional and antagonistic article he wrote and reinforce the OP, he re-opened it with a canned and sanctimonious "Be excellent to each other". 

Not that I am one bit surprised to see which posters are the slimy sycophants in this case. 

MO was ended on its own terms. SWTOR is pathetically kept on life support - when the devs probably hoped it would be a racehorse. I'm sorry but this is definitely a huge fail. You guys are focusing on the end result ignoring the expectations that rode the games. People expected SWTOR to be "dethrone WoW" (stupid term but whatever). Instead it's struggling to keep 250k subs and going F2P. 

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by pharazonic

Was TR backed by a film moghul? Did TR have a world-famous IP? From what I have heard TR had great potential but some very poor design executions and the devs didn't give it a chance. 

 

SWTOR has had its chance the market has spoken. 

 

I don't think the Freemium model will bring it the consitent userbase EA hopes itn will. My evidence is AoC which has the same subscription/F2P model. 

No TR was headed up..initially by Richard Garriot..a man with far more talent and imagination than George Lucas and virtually his equivilent in the gaming world.

 

The movie industry is bigger than the gaming world. $300 million dollar budget is bigger than TR even if TR is ten thousand times the game SWTOR ever will be. 

I'm basing my post on fact, not which game was better and failed in the eyes of gamers. I mean SWTOR is the game that had an opening event in Times Square, New York. 

Was TR backed by a film moghul? Did TR have a world-famous IP? From what I have heard TR had great potential but some very poor design executions and the devs didn't give it a chance. 

SWTOR has had its chance the market has spoken. 

I don't think the Freemium model will bring it the consitent userbase EA hopes itn will. My evidence is AoC which has the same subscription/F2P model. 

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by pharazonic

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Well, one game still requires you to buy the latest expansion at FULL PRICE. One game still requires you to buy the game to level to levelcap. One game still has a major expansion coming up. One game still requires a subscription fee. That game isn't SWTOR. 

 

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Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by eyelolled

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR [mod edit]

I don't play WoW. [mod edit]

Sounded like you were praising WoW.  Most people would think you were praising WoW,  It's of no moment, as I just think Tabula Rasa was a more epic failure as it completely shut down.  

 

 

 

 

Praising? 

Those are facts. Praise would be if I said "WoW rocks and is the best game ever".

Tabula Rasa never had as much as effort or ambition poured into it as SWTOR did. [mod edit]

Originally posted by eyelolled

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR [mod edit]

I don't play WoW. [mod edit]

This has got to be the biggest MMO failure to date. Big and I mean BIG budget studios (BioWare, and then all of Mythic), many millions of dollars, reknown voice actors and actors, world-famous interllectual property (Star Wars - who doesn't know it???), one of the titans of video games, EA and many years of anticipated development - all of this to crash and burn in less than a year? 

Sure you guys can argue that F2P is not a failure and that the game had "always been intended for F2P/Freemium" . Personally I think this view is bogus but whatever.

But the FACT remains that this game was THE WoW killer. Everyone from EA's CEO to BioWare's developers to SWTOR community managers said that this was the game that was going to face Blizzard's juggernaught, WoW. (You can look up articles posted during SWTOR's development that how this was the next big thing; I am not making this stuff up.) 

Well, one game still requires you to buy the latest expansion at FULL PRICE. One game still requires you to buy the game to level to levelcap. One game still has a major expansion coming up. One game still requires a subscription fee. That game isn't SWTOR. 

This has got to be the most monumental MMO failure - way beyond other "WoW killers" like AoC, War, etc. I mean, even WAR still has a subscription. How sad. 

Originally posted by noncley

But wait! Where is MMOmaverick? Where is now when we need him the most to explain why this game isn'[t dying and, in fact, is going from strength to strength?

Seriously, where are they? MMO.Maverick with his huge-yet-irrelevant posts? Dark Pony with his nonsensical ones? That maskedweasel guy? And countless others?

Tails set firmly between your legs huh? 

That's a rather rude and antagonistic title for an article. 

Just a point: Once F2P gets here, account creation is totally free.

Originally posted by Sleepyfish

I suddenly feel vindicated for all the infractions I recieved on the SWTOR forums pre beta for simply pointing out the games flaws. All the fanbois who were allowed to trash those forums with fanboi rage, Lethality, Skywauker have been proven wrong. All of those constructive  threads Donna Prior and that horrible moderation team deleted about adding something new to grinding mechanics, crafting and economy, how to implement space travel, ideas players wanted, well you can see all those ideas in action in GW2. But it is like you raiders kept saying, TOR is your game, enjoy.

If I could "Like" this post, I would. 

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

 

Apparently not, no one's announced their one year anniversary or anything and even the F2P conversion is schedule long before december so.....what are we remembering again?

simpl put, the qouted poster has claimed to have called that the game would be going F2P yet the linked topic shows him vehemently denying the possibility of it going F2P.

Ahh that explains it, it wasn't that you were saying he should remember the game not being a year old before going F2P but that he claimed the opposite, one of those sneaky fanboys trying to be on the side that's correct apparently, good catch.

LOL I am the last incarnation of SWTOR fanboy. IIRC you were quite the Bioware fanboy no? 

Originally posted by Amjoco

Playerbase

I just told you why that won't happen. The players who wanted a KotOR 3 are getting that. Why should they stick around after they're done the storylines? Why should they pay to unlock features other games to better for the same price - and in some cases, cheaper (GW2  for example)?

I'm confused as to how they think this is a good model to adopt. 

Edit for clarity: At this rate, they're handicapping would-be F2P players. Why does that give a F2P person reason to start subbing? They're already getting what they're after - access to a well-told SRPG story.

The game failed - I called this during beta testing. 

Didn't even make a year. Pathetic!

Arguably the biggest selling point on SWTOR has been its storylines. This is not a matter of opinion - things like raids, gear design, PvP - other games have done them better, way better. But the BW style star-voice-acted storytelling-levelling has always been a plus even if the stories aren't to a person's tastes. 

Under the current F2P model (Freemium), a player can access this awesome feature for free. The subscription essentially unlocks the poor parts of the game: PvP which is stale, and one dimensional; raids that are simplistic and bugged to infinity and end-game gear which is simply ugly. Everything that you pay $15 per month for, other games do it better. 

Another poster on another forum summed it up pretty well: 

So the goal here is "Play the storyline, then quit forever" then?

BioWare/EA has adopted a poor F2P model, namely Freemium, which never works. AoC is proof enough of this. A game like Aion did it right. Truly F2P with loads of cosmetic and convience items in the cash shop. Check NCSoft's financial reports if you don't believe me. Aion post-Ascension is a success.

If the people at BioWarEA had any brains and business acumen, they'd make the base game free (it's a poor game as it is) and put convenience items, mounts, cosmetic and vanity items in the cash store. 

Guess EA is determined to be the reigning umbrella over failed MMOs. 

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

 

Apparently not, no one's announced their one year anniversary or anything and even the F2P conversion is schedule long before december so.....what are we remembering again?

simpl put, the qouted poster has claimed to have called that the game would be going F2P yet the linked topic shows him vehemently denying the possibility of it going F2P.

I guess you and I have different opinions on "F2P". 

That said, I'm willing to settle on "SWTOR has failed spectacularly and I called it". 

This was the game that was supposed to go head to head against Blizzard's juggernaught, WoW. Guess which game is still in the arena, at a subscription model for the forseeable future with a major expansion on the way.

I rest my case :)

No, this is factually incorrect. It was 500k at the beginning of the last 3 months (what this report is for). Rumour ahs it that the current active subs are at 250k.

BiowarEA has ALWAYS padded the numbers. For a previous report, they gave lots of subscribers an extra month so they could INFLATE their sub numbers. I'm not surprised that they would use figures from the start of the period 3 months ago and pass them off current figures. 

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

It's not truly free to play (like Aion which is very successful btw). It's on a crummy Freemium model that never works (AoC is proof).

I did call the failure of this game though and the game has failed. Low subs, no content in sight, crashing and burning. If you were familiar with these forums like 8-10 months ago, you'd remember the stupid arguments taht were had here. I got my (un)fair share of bans for alleged "trolling" when I was merely stating what a poor excuse of a game this was and got reported by fanboys. 

Well I am having the last laugh. 

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are.