And if this thread isn't proof that any of the decent mmorpg.com community that remained have up and left, I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Niffi

Why are there players, who want to tell other people, how to play?

There are many reasons, to play alone in an mmorpg (instead of playing an SRPG):

1.) Its an RPG. If i want to play the lone wolf, i can play it and the other players help me with this, because, i can avoid the,.

2.) Many SRPGs have a story-line, you have to do and there is an ending in these games. An MMoRPG will never end and you are free to do, what you want.

3.) You can compare directly with other players.

4.) If i play in a group, i have a responsibility and if i would do something wrong, bad things could happen to other groupmembers. If i play alone, there is not so much pressure and i neednt trst other players.

5.) I guess there are many more reasons. ;)

If you play a game, how you want to play it, you have to accept, that there are players, playing it a different way (of course as long as they respect the rules). You cant tell people, how to play!

Greets Niffi

Stop using commas. It's horrifying.

Originally posted by Psycho2k

Originally posted by memoir44

Originally posted by tazarconan

If u dont like arena then no. I mean bg's are fun but after a period u realise there is no goal to achieve ( no ranks / titles to win since vanilla wow,no bg ladder etc). As for world pvp i enjoyed it at vanilla but then again i was playing in a rp-pvp server and things were different at that time. Now everything is diferent ,evrything works via tools ,no world pvp (wintergrasp is queqed).

How many inaccuracies in that post ...

Current BG titles include Justicar or Conqueror. Also by winning the daily BG, you earn 25 Arena points these days. Since this patch 3.3 a LOT of fighting for that daily awards btw.

Next CATA will introduce a competitve ranking PvP competition (even with Guild PvP play added) in those Battlegrounds. Inclusive the return of older PvP titles.

Other PvP titles these days include BattleMaster and "Of the Alliance and Horde titles" as well as dozens of achievements (and a few PvP mounts).

Wintergrasp is NOT instanced, that is a BIG fat lie. It is on realm and the awards of owning LW gives small RvR benifits and it is a zone within Northrend. The only difference is that there is max cap of 240 people that can battle over the SIege battle and for this they are put into Raids (very conveniant and a nice balancing tool too) you have to apply for.

So next time get your facts together and inform you about CATA too.

I'm curious, do you really love WoW THAT much or do you actually work for Blizz?  I only ask because you almost seem to take any criticism of WoW personally from the posts I have seen from you, you remind me of some guy that used to do the same not to long, Zorndorf I think his name was...

Personally, I fucking hate activison and, through association, Blizzard. But you're offering totally inaccurate points about why you dislike WoW pvp, can you flame him for correcting you?

Originally posted by Xianthos

That the main reason i stoped playing WoW.

PvP simply sucked. You can be good and it doesnt matter as at the end it works after paper / rock principle and which was pain for me. If you dont got the Overpowered class you wont be able to do a lot in Arena. There is always a loser class (isnt usefull for arena) and a dominating class ( you can be average and you will still pawn). That was my main problem with the arena and after i realised i can be damn good and i still wont be able to get in top pvp arena, as my class doesnt allow me it. Since then i cant touch any theme park pvp as it simply sucks and the skill isnt the most important thing.

Battlegrounds were just grind and became boring over time.

This is a complete lie. While class representation in arena is skewed towards a few classes, everyone can find a composition and bracket to work with IF they are any good.

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Originally posted by bazok8

Is it worth playing? I haven't played it in about a year. I hate ARENA btw.

I play WoW and have done so for several years, but WoW PvP is, and always has been, the carebear's wet dream of how PvP should be - no risk, no damage to gear or equipment, no death penalty, no looting if you win.  It has no point whatsoever. I don't even class people who 'pvp' in WoW as actual PvP'ers.

So far, only Eve Online provides risk, destruction of a ship and equipment that might cost hundreds of millions and complete looting of whatever remains of the defeated player's ship.

If I could find a fantasy mmo that did the same, I might be inclined to try it.

Because losing and gaining rating isn't a risk/reward. Also, I love auto attacking from standstill in a spaceship, even with the satisfaction of knowing I just griefed the fuck out of some kids it only goes so far.

Arena is a competetive venue for pvp. What I "get out of it" is the satisfaction of outplaying mirror comps or countercomps, and what the other team loses, along with 14x the rating of a win, is knowing they've been outplayed. I don't want their gold or gear, or for ther character to permanently die. That's fucking stupid, especially for the type of pvp arena is. Go auto your launchers or rail guns, bet you're really good at it.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by nratnam

Originally posted by Jerlaxle

Personally, I love arena. I think it's the most competetive and strategized pvp I've ever encountered in an MMO. I'd like to know why you "hate" it and can't help but face-palm the hell out of my forehead when I read all these vanilla-wow fanboys. The pvp in vanilla was shit. I ran around in my bloodfand with cts and two shot kids with sinister strike, every once in a while having good duels with geared warriors, mages, and rogues. It was a joke.

 

Give arena a fair chance if you want to get anything that feels semi-significant from WoW pvp.

I'm not a fan boy of vanilla it has it flaws, combat was super quick and highly dependent on who had the best raid gear which was sorted with resilience to prolong battles. However to point i am trying to make is that world PVP is non existant even on PVP servers and kindly kills the whole idea of the concept. 

However this being said cataclysm is set to bring the PVP back to the world and will truly be horde verses Alliance again.

Arena is more of small groups working to get gear with no impact on the Horde or Alliance or even the world around you. 

I have to dissagree with your take on Vanilla WoW. PvP battles went on for a long time, winning required much more skill and how to use your class. Shamans were over powered at the time, but watching the gimped druid fights was amazing. Most people didnt have "uber raid" gear, and even with it, it didnt make as much of a difference as it did after BC.

I agree though that with Catacysm, the hope is to bring back world pvp. If its any good I also might ressurect my day 1 toon.

Are you sure we're playing the same game? Vanilla requiring a better understanding of your class? Long battles? I'm leaving this conversation as we obviously have drastically different source material. Cata's focus will, most likely, be rated BG's by the way.

Personally, I love arena. I think it's the most competetive and strategized pvp I've ever encountered in an MMO. I'd like to know why you "hate" it, and I can't help but face-palm the hell out of my forehead when I read all these vanilla-wow fanboys. The pvp in vanilla was shit. I ran around in my bloodfand with cts and two shot kids with sinister strike, every once in a while having good duels with geared warriors, mages, and rogues. It was a joke.

Give arena a fair chance if you want to get anything that feels semi-significant from WoW pvp.

In for "try Darkfall."

When can we expect you to defeat your own game?

I've had several accounts since November 2004 along with add-ons birthed in the infancy of this game. And yet, I've never had an account security issue.

It's hard to take this post seriously, and not just lol at a pretty apparent user error?

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by Jerlaxle

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by Esther-Chan

Any change to the economy doesn't really hit us very hard, especially since the #1 way people earn money here is by suing one another.

 

LOL, no shit. That isn't just limited to your area, believe me. Seems to be a new American fad...like dudes wearing tight girl jeans /shudders.

 

Just want to point out: You act like skinny jeans are a new fad. Make note that people have always worn them.

 

Anyways, don't be mad that you can't fit into girl sizes.

 

Um...ok. No shit it isn't new...for girls. But for guys?  And I am only around 130lbs., so I could fit into them if I wanted, but I am not trying to look like a member of My chemical romance...or simply a guy light on my feet if you know what I mean.

Guys have been wearing tapered and skinny jeans since the 50's.

Sorry to derail the thread further.

Ocarina of Time when I was eight, followed by a lot of final fantasy/other Playstation titles.

In 2001 I bought Everquest to begin my MMO career: Great mistake number one.

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by Esther-Chan

Any change to the economy doesn't really hit us very hard, especially since the #1 way people earn money here is by suing one another.

 

LOL, no shit. That isn't just limited to your area, believe me. Seems to be a new American fad...like dudes wearing tight girl jeans /shudders.

Just want to point out: You act like skinny jeans are a new fad. Make note that people have always worn them.

Anyways, don't be mad that you can't fit into girl sizes.

They're really trying, credit for that.

Probably going to pick this up this week. Conquest sounds really appealing along with the open zones, but I don't know if it will win me over on subscribing.

Originally posted by Kasseopea

f2p means, that you must not pay real money to play a game. In your definition games like Risen, Bioshock and Dead Space are f2p aswell.

 

 

You're taking it out of context now; I'm obviously referring to MMOs, welcome to mmorpg.com.

And in reference to Bioshock, et c. those are, technically, free to play: the software may cost you, but there are no fees to play.

Originally posted by Comnitus

They may re-review it in a couple of years. Why do you care? If your game is good, then play it. New players will come if they're interested in the game.

That's not necessarily true. Even if there's interest, poor reviews can scare a lot of people away. Why should we care that more subscribers are being scared away? Well, the developer supporting our game requires these subscribers to afford the supporting.

Originally posted by Kasseopea

Ok, if it is f2p, could you give me a DL-link then? i cant find one. Just a site, where i can purchase this game.

 

There are a lot of game with micropayment, but the most of them are MMORPGs and im already bored of them.

What the fuck? Read what I wrote...

It is, IN FACT, free to play by the criteria of not REQUIRING a subscription payment. But yes, it does indeed cost money for the initial software.

Originally posted by oscarkool2

I've been playing Darkfall and it's definitely what the op is describing.  Don't listen to those that are put off to it by the so called "9 year-old gankers."  I've yet to see anyone really stalking noobs.  It's usually people running across the continent that are killing noobs in their path.

But the fact that you can be pk'd makes the game way more exciting.  You have got to be on your toes and playing with headphones because you can hear way better than with crappy speakers.  Bank often especially if you loot something of value.  It's elements like these that's bringing new players to Darkfall every single day.  Don't be surprised if this game starts rapidly growing to the size of Eve in the next year.  This game is a true gem that has a great dev team with some awesome plans for 2010.

I never meant to bash DF, I'm very impressed by where the game is heading and have a lot of admiration for any sandbox game. I'd subscribe if I felt like feeling the drain of multiple MMOs.

I can understand that :P

Worse yet, those nine year-olds are probably closer to 29 year-olds

Global Agenda is free to play. The fee after March is optional... I'd call that f2p.

And if we're in the realm of entirely free games, I might as well ignore this thread.