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Originally posted by netentropy

Hi everyone!

I am an old school FFXI addict with some WOW thrown in for a few years. Took on SWTOR and FFXIV but work and career didn't really allow me to get as involved as I like. So I am pretty behind the curve on those games and like to sort of grow with a game. 

Is there anything new that folks are enjoying are gravitating towards? I've been out of the loop on my reading as well. 

Thanks a lot!

 

There are 100s of MMOs with dedicated playerbases. It comes down to what you want to play really. Lots of games to chose from.

Originally posted by kanechart

Originally posted by DMKano

Popular game = lots of potential people who will buy gold, items and accounts

Thats why you see bots - that means they are making money.

 

Only time when you don't see bots is when players stop buying, that means it's not worth it anymore

I understand why. But if you have a proactive person on pay... They can be knocking 100's of bots a day. At some point it becomes not worth it.. They even level these bots and use such dfsdfgdf names for them..

 

That is the part I don't get. I played even games with 10k population in total and maybe like 80k subs at most and still have the same issues.. I dealt with similar things can't say NDA reasons but if you are bring in a decent pay it would not be hard to hire full time person to make a massive difference. 


 

Proactively nuking bots is like playing whack a mole. It's completely iffective as soon as you nuke 1, another one pops up because it's an automated script that makes bots.

A person will always lose to automation, which is why companies run their own automation to auto-ban bots.

No its not completely effective but for every 1 bot that makes it a 100 have gotten autobanned.

Time and time again it has been proven that it's far better to let CS folks help legitimate players than have a team dedicated to fighting scripted bots. CS folks handle bots for a portion of their time - but dedicated teams is a complete waste of people.


Every company who has tried dedicated team to fight bots has given up as it simply doesn't work. I've talked to quite a few online game companies and they all do it as automation first and having existing CS deal with the ones that trickle through (mostly compromised accounts from legit players used as bots)

In my dream I had a big afro and stuff, wooden leg and a weird eye :)

Popular game = lots of potential people who will buy gold, items and accounts

Thats why you see bots - that means they are making money.

Only time when you don't see bots is when players stop buying, that means it's not worth it anymore

Originally posted by MisterZebub
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Maybe you should just avoid repeatedly starting threads promoting Trion games here in the Pub, and stick to Trion games forums? I'm willing to bet that's what people start to be annoyed with.

Oh I know - but the thing is unless the mods tell me to move on and I am not breaking any rules of TOS, what a few of my beloved "fans" find annoying is sort of their own problem, no?

 

Yes, unless you make it their problem by constantly reporting, respectively having warned or banned about everyone who antagonises you in any discussion regarding Trion or any of their games -which is what you do to an extend that not few users suspect(ed) you being a mod yourself.

That moderation/deletion of posts with negative opinions towards Trion often happens within minutes and in the process of a discussion in which you are actively involved in at that moment doesn't make it less suspicious.

Just saying...

PS: watch this posting disappear in 3, 2, 1...

 

Posts get modded when TOS gets broken, if you don't want your posts modded - stick to TOS rules.

Rudimentary :)

http://www.mmorpg.com/disclaimers.cfm#conduct

 

All of these speculations about how negative opinions about some sacred company get magically modded is pure conjecture. 

It always comes down to Rules of Conduct violations - I bet you most folks have never even read them.

 

 


I love how people here, and on other social media, fail to understand that you can argue a position and offer critique without resorting to outright hostility, pure unmitigated negetivity or personal insults. That's what keeps getting those posts canned. Not favoritism. Isn't that right DMKano, you warthog faced bufoon .. er wait... that last part was over the line ABORT ABORT!!!!

Ok all kidding aside, and back to the actual topic. I don't share the love affair DMKano does with Trion, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of seeing the point of this thread. I find it interesting that both Trion and Blizzard understand that diversity is the best way to churn profits. And while I dislike both Glyph and Battlenet I can understand the reason these companies created these umbrella front ends to purvey their games. I don't have to like it for it to work at selling all their games to players who like something else they make.

So anyway it looks like we are hopefully stepping away from the mindset everyone used to have when there were only one or two big releases a year, the "One Game To Rule Them All" mentality. Maybe, finally some of these companies are starting to realize that just like movies, music, and even single player games, no one game is right for everyone and now maybe we'll see them stop pandering to the widest demogrpahic and instead start seeing games tailored to fit the type of player that actually likes them. This just might be the tipping point instead of just making one game for everyone, we get to see many games suited for a specific someone. And I think that might turn out to be pretty damned cool.

 

Excellent points! 

Thanks for getting this back on topic.

 

Trove - it's a great little casual sandboxy MMO. It's less than 700MB, it can run on low spec PCs and is very simple and addictive.
Originally posted by Rhoklaw
Originally posted by DMKano

P2W is a myth perpetuated by a vocal minority. 99.9% of all games that are labeled as p2w by this vocal minority are in fact "pay to faster" games.

What is really funny to me is pure pve games being called p2w.... lol

Furthermore buying maxed characters with max gear exists in EVERY game as no company can prevent 3rd party account or item sales, so by this fact every game in existence is P2W, because money buys a clear advantage, right?

Label it however you want. Paying for advantages, specifically in PvP situations is what the majority doesn't want. Gaming companies know this drives competitive players up the wall. Forcing everyone to buy into the cash shop RNG crap in the hopes of being the best. PvP MMO's have ALWAYS been a competitive breeding ground of pride and respect. Now it's just a joke for people with more money to spend than someone else which completely removes the whole point of skilled players. The only reason you remain oblivious to this design flaw is because you are the spokesperson for one of the biggest culprits in the industry, ArcheAge.

I am not a spokesperson for anything, just my opinions.

I've discussed to death why throwing ABSURD amount of money in ArcheAge gets you exactly to the same spot where 99.99999% of the players are anyway - look at end game players - they're all in basically the same  gear in ArcheAge - nobody is in BIS gear even folks who've spent over $20,000 (which I know a few)

ArcheAge is 100% pay to faster - because *nobody* can craft the best gear in game due to 1 in several hundred million RNG.

If I can beat folks in PvP in my average Obsidian gear (not even celestial where end-game folks are) - then ArcheAge fails a as P2W game pretty badly - as I haven't spent a cent in 8 months now :)

 

What is true pay to win - buying best item in game from cash shop that is *vastly superior* to EVERYTHING that can be attained via gameplay. Like a sword that can 1 shot players - where all other items in game would take at least 20 hits.

That would be an example of  Pay to Win item - i've never seen this in ANY so called P2W game period

That is true Pay To Win - I am yet to find a game that really has this. None of the games being labeled P2W fit this criteria - because they're not pay to win, they are pay to faster.

 

Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Maybe you should just avoid repeatedly starting threads promoting Trion games here in the Pub, and stick to Trion games forums? I'm willing to bet that's what people start to be annoyed with.

Oh I know - but the thing is unless the mods tell me to move on and I am not breaking any rules of TOS, what a few of my beloved "fans" find annoying is sort of their own problem, no?

 

Yes, unless you make it their problem by constantly reporting, respectively having warned or banned about everyone who antagonises you in any discussion regarding Trion or any of their games -which is what you do to an extend that not few users suspect(ed) you being a mod yourself.

That moderation/deletion of posts with negative opinions towards Trion often happens within minutes and in the process of a discussion in which you are actively involved in at that moment doesn't make it less suspicious.

Just saying...

PS: watch this posting disappear in 3, 2, 1...

 

Posts get modded when TOS gets broken, if you don't want your posts modded - stick to TOS rules.

Rudimentary :)

http://www.mmorpg.com/disclaimers.cfm#conduct

 

All of these speculations about how negative opinions about some sacred company get magically modded is pure conjecture. 

It always comes down to Rules of Conduct violations - I bet you most folks have never even read them.

 

 

Originally posted by andre369
Originally posted by DMKano

P2W is a myth perpetuated by a vocal minority. 99.9% of all games that are labeled as p2w by this vocal minority are in fact "pay to faster" games.

What is really funny to me is pure pve games being called p2w.... lol

Furthermore buying maxed characters with max gear exists in EVERY game as no company can prevent 3rd party account or item sales, so by this fact every game in existence is P2W, because money buys a clear advantage, right?

So that makes it okay for game companies to design their games around legalized RMT? Where as you say, pay to skip content. Because said content has been designed around legalized RMT.

So a small % in older MMOs paid, risking their accounts(if the company did their job to actually ban them). 

Now we should blindly accept that every new game offers pay to skip content? Is that what you are looking for in a game.

Personally I want my time spent in the game matter, I do not care if X player did it faster than me. But if you want to play a MMORPG and immerse yourself in it. What you do has to matter. Sure if you play it for two months max, you will not care if X player paid to skip content.

But have you noticed how most new MMOs have turned into a 1-2 month game for many of the consumers?

For the ones I have done that dance with, has been because simply you are allowed and encouraged to pay to skip content. 

Which results in whatever you actually do in game, will compare to dollars. Shall I spend 20 bucks to sell that cash shop item to another player?  Has that player I just saw actually done that super hard content, or did he/she just buy it?

Is the time I spend in game worth it? Will a paying player bypass me just because he/she uses a wallet?

I think you need to ask yourself, as a player and hide your wallet. Do I want the time I spend in this game matter? Or do I want it and the game be designed around the developers RMT?

 

I can only speak for myself - I am older and at a point in my life where money is not so tight - I prefer games where I can throw a few bucks and speed up my progress.

To me time right now at this point in my life time is more valuable than money - so paying to progress faster is an ideal option.

I don't have 8 hours a day to spend playing a single game anymore - I play more games now than ever but I maximize the HELL out of my time via XP potions etc.

Spend 8 hours in game to get gold to unlock inventory slots or spend $5 and get it immediately - yeah I'm gonna spend $5 

That's just me.

I much prefer "pay to faster" games as again it works for me - plus it feels good to spend more money on games when I know it helps the dev teams I like.

Of course I want my time in game spent to matter - I just don't want to waste it on mindless boring tedious crap that takes hours, give me ways to pay and reduce the tedium as much as possible and I'm happy.

Also the devs are happy - because they're getting more funds

It's a win-win

The only people that this bothers are subscription purists - who are a tiny minority.

 

P2Faster - yes please

 

 

 

P2W is a myth perpetuated by a vocal minority. 99.9% of all games that are labeled as p2w by this vocal minority are in fact "pay to faster" games.

What is really funny to me is pure pve games being called p2w.... lol

Furthermore buying maxed characters with max gear exists in EVERY game as no company can prevent 3rd party account or item sales, so by this fact every game in existence is P2W, because money buys a clear advantage, right?

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by DMKano

 

Originally posted by LacedOpium

Originally posted by DMKano

 

Originally posted by Nicco77

"Trion Worlds chief: You got MMOs? Bring ’em to our platform"

So we can fuck them up and turn in money grab games.


 

 

If they are making money, then it's not really f'd up is it?

Unless for some reason you are against business being profitable?

 

 

Kano, seriously ... what is the deal with you and Trion.  Are you really Scapes or Hartman?  You have to hold a position in that company.  The fanboy meter with you and anything Trion is through the roof and somewhere out in the universe.  Never seen anything like it.


 

 

People get really obsessed over me liking a few devs that happen to work for Trion. AGAIN FORUM ETIQUETTE:

Say anything positive or defend a dev and you are immediately

1. Fanboy
2. Employee
3. Shill

That's how it works

But I guess now we are expanding this to

4. Community manager (lol)
5. CEO - epic

Awesome isn't it?

Maybe you should just avoid repeatedly starting threads promoting Trion games here in the Pub, and stick to Trion games forums? I'm willing to bet that's what people start to be annoyed with.

Oh I know - but the thing is unless the mods tell me to move on and I am not breaking any rules of TOS, what a few of my beloved "fans" find annoying is sort of their own problem, no?

 

Originally posted by LacedOpium

Originally posted by DMKano

 

Originally posted by Nicco77

"Trion Worlds chief: You got MMOs? Bring ’em to our platform"

So we can fuck them up and turn in money grab games.


 

 

If they are making money, then it's not really f'd up is it?

Unless for some reason you are against business being profitable?

 

 

Kano, seriously ... what is the deal with you and Trion.  Are you really Scapes or Hartman?  You have to hold a position in that company.  The fanboy meter with you and anything Trion is through the roof and somewhere out in the universe.  Never seen anything like it.


 

People get really obsessed over me liking a few devs that happen to work for Trion. AGAIN FORUM ETIQUETTE:

Say anything positive or defend a dev and you are immediately

1. Fanboy
2. Employee
3. Shill

That's how it works

But I guess now we are expanding this to

4. Community manager (lol)
5. CEO - epic

Awesome isn't it?

Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by DMKano

 

Originally posted by Nicco77

"Trion Worlds chief: You got MMOs? Bring ’em to our platform"

So we can fuck them up and turn in money grab games.


 

 

If they are making money, then it's not really f'd up is it?

Unless for some reason you are against business being profitable?

 

Lot's of businesses that should not be allowed to exist make money, some real good money. IMO not the best way to win this particular debate.

 

 

As long as no laws are being broken - what's the issue exactly? I mean look at Monsanto if you really want to get pitchforks out. Perspective - we are taking about a *video game* business. Hello...
Originally posted by psiic

Not a horrible game just wish survival games had stories like trying to sail away to the island or save the family or something.

 

 

I much prefer games with minimal or no story
Originally posted by Grunty
Originally posted by DMKano
I love this game.

Be careful there. Someone might think you now work for The Fun Pimps.

 

Forum etiquette - say anything postive, you are immediately a fanboy, employee or shill. Because the norm seems to be - everything sucks, no good games and no good developers, lol

One thing about Witcher 3 characters - after a while I just want to kill every single one of them, gerralt included.

I know that sounds shallow of me, but I got to that point heh.

Originally posted by Nicco77

"Trion Worlds chief: You got MMOs? Bring ’em to our platform"

So we can fuck them up and turn in money grab games.


 

If they are making money, then it's not really f'd up is it?

Unless for some reason you are against business being profitable?


I love this game.
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Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Hedeon
abit fun that they talk about daybreak, then afterwards talk about TRION both publish and create games, and dont know of any other company doing it - though it seems Daybreak have stopped trying to become a big publisher, they did publish afew games already, Dragons prophet and Wizardry atleast.

Not sure if all are aware but Hartsman and Smedly are friends in RL and they talk to each other a lot - remember that they worked together for years and still remain close.

Eventhough we have Trion and Daybreak as 2 game companies - the CEOs are probably sharing ideas and lessons learned that would benefit both of them in the future.

 

Sorry to hear this.  If thing's weren't bad already you give us this bit of sad news.  If this is the type of leadership we have to look forward to in the MMO video game industry the future does indeed look bleak.  The only hope I see is with En Masse but they are too small at this point to really make a difference.  Let's hope they become a player and a few others surface with good leadership otherwise it does not look good.

 

EnMasse is a fine bunch I know folks there ;) they are not ready on the platform side yet. As far as top executives being friends - here's another one Mark Jacobs (CU, DAoC) and Scott Hartsman used to MUD together. The video game industry is very tight knit.
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