Originally posted by H.A.M.A

For 1,500 dollar budget tower only specifically for a MMO called Dayz Mod will this destroy the game?

 

Silver Series AMD FX-4100 Case - Cooler Master HAF 912 (Mid Tower) [Level 2 Iron Tundra Ready] AMD Processor - AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz (Six Core) CPU Cooling - Level 1 Cold Steel Liquid Cooling [120mm Radiator] AMD Motherboard - ASUS M5A97 [SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 {4 DDR3 Slots} Overclocking Processor - Overclock Processor to Max Speed up to 70% Overclocking Graphics Card - Overclock 1 x Graphics Card to Max Speed Memory - 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz Primary Hard Drive - 1TB 7200 RPM1st Optical Drive - DVD Writer - EVGA GTX 670 2GB FTW Edition (Min. 650 Watt Power Supply) Liquid Cool Graphics Card - Liquid Cool Graphics Card (Requires Level 1 Cold Steel CPU Cooling) Power Supply - Standard 800 Watt Operating System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit Integrated HD

 

 

Very sorry about grouping that all up, but I had to copy it from the website I plan on buying the the pc from which is ironsidecomputers.com

 

Also I dont know if a 7970  would be better than a - EVGA GTX 670 2GB FTW Edition for the MMO Dayz Mod only and BF4 when it comes out.

 

 

DayZ mod is no mmo and yes mid range systems can handle DayZ easly.

AMD7970 3gb high end card is capable of running BF4 also better then 670 2gb card can.

DayZ is mod for ARMA2 it can handle 50/50 players easy, world looks like an mmo a huge 250 square km map with no loadscreens or any insivisble barriers.

Its persistend that it can safe your character and play on different server with same gear not all servers are same so some you need to make new character but its not an mmo.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

If you want to build a solid gaming setup i wouldnt settle for anything less than a GTX 660Ti or the AMD equivalent.

On AMD video cards i will caution you, their hardware is fantastic, but they have the worst drivers on the freaking planet.  In 20 years of building PC's i've had over a dozen different AMD cards, and between me and about a dozen other computer geek friends who build our own, i can count on one hand the number of AMD cards we havent had stupid problems with.

Personally i won't buy AMD cards anymore for gaming.  I've bought a couple as HTPC cards that have worked ok, but even with those i've had stupid annoying driver issues (settings that won't save, or revert back to default randomly, etc).

 

For processors, dual core vs quad is pretty meaningless for games.  Pretty much nothing (even most professional apps) have trouble utilizing more than 2 processors threads with any real aplomb.  The most important thing for gaming is at least 2 cores, and the fastest cores you can get with at least 2.

I.E.   A dual core I5 at 2.4ghz would be better for gaming than a quad core i5 at 2.1ghz.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years this will change, but for now no games properly utilize multiple cores.

Sind windows 7 launched and DX11 came to live with 5870 amd videocard i made switch from nvidia to AMD and im realy glad i did.

Not only are the cards superb videocards ive not have any trouble with drivers and these days they can EASLY COMPETE with nvidia drivers.

So your statement for todays AMDdrivers is FALSE.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Quizzical

Why do you need to buy from Tiger Direct?

Do you need new peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, surge protector)?

And why do you need a new motherboard, but not a new OS, when a new motherboard usually means that you need a new OS license?

Thats an easy fix with a phone call. 

This.

Your only controlled if you let them.

Get all social networks have google account use smartphones buy xbox one:D

Your done your whole life on the web and soon your at the whimp of THEM they will watch you BIG BROTHER orwell predicted, in 1948.

Originally posted by Elikal

I have the articles only in German, but you should be able to find similar reports in English.

The first one says, that MS again confirmed that not only the games, but the consoles themselves are country bound. Meaning: if you travel, forget taking along your XBox, but more important: if you move to another country, you can buy a new console! That may not be important in America, but in Europe where people can freely move within all countries of the EU, that is a BIG issue.

Article: http://www.rp-online.de/digitales/games/xbox-one-funktionen-im-ausland-beschraenkt-1.3473144

 

But the real bomb was this:

MS used PCs with Windows 7 and much higher evolved NVidia graphic cards to show the XBox games. Which is a real "joke" for too many reasons:

- apparently the games were shown in a much higher quality, the newspaper claims the games in the show sometimes crashes, showing the Windows 7 PC desktop. The actual card would be a mid class Radeon 7790, while on the PC was a NVidia of the 700 series, a much faster card. (Not to speak of the irony, that Nvidia is the competitor of AMD, who builds parts for the Xbox.)

- also apparently Windows 8 is not the system even Microsoft folks prefer, since all PCs were running with Windows 7 (ha ha!)

 

Lies and incompetence.

Article: http://www.chip.de/news/Xbox-One-E3-Demos-liefen-von-PCs-mit-Nvidia-Grafik_62563593.html

MS became the Amateurs of the gaming industrie.

Started with the failor of vista then release rather good windows 7 but lost it comepletely with windows 8 and xbox one.

We should abandonship and join linux + Steambox!!!

Originally posted by Stormsone
Is it possible to "dumb down" mmos more than they are already?  To me dumbed down = boring so I hope they are the opposite of that.

Dunb down for consoles mean smaller maps limited options lesser graphics or bad controls that kind of dumb down

Originally posted by Giddian

I was wondering seeing as how FFXIV and EQNext are going to PS4, are they really going to be The long anticipated games or Dumbed down console MMO Wanabes?

This is Not meant to enrage anyone. I'm just wanting to know if you think they have to dumb down these MMO's to accommodate a Console? Will it be Restricted. Will it stand up to the rest of the MMO's that can utilize {Not that they Do Now} PC Capabilities?

 PS4 is prolly good enough for now able to play a mmo and only high end PC will always outperform consoles don't forget majority play on crappy laptops or old desktops with 12year old xp.

Game like WoW is succeful becouse it can run on commondore 64.

Originally posted by Lienhart

I've clocked an absurdly high amount of hours into MMOs from WoW to Final Fantasy XI. After recently switching to a much more expensive hobby (supersport track days), I'm feeling the need to slap my face for wasting so much time on a hobby that amounts to having nothing to show for in the real world.

Anyone else ever feel the same way?

DayZ

Skyrim modded and legendary version.

Van Helsing

Grim Dawn

At work im playing Titan Quest Imortal Thrones and roam the forums.

Originally posted by CalmOceans

If we go by what Smedley says..

EQNext will be a console / PC title, with forced PVP and  a cash shop.

Just let it all out.

Ihope its true and PvP be forced on all servers i love seeing all drama here on mmorpg.com and ragequiters:P

There is 100% market for niche indie games.

But gamers themself destroy them.

Darkfall:cheating zerging and US players demanded there own server which was way to early splitting up community.

DayZ hackers hackers hackers and the gamers who saying DayZ is way to hardcore and wanne dumbdown versions it will fail eventually or CoD kids who think its about fragging and dont understand the whole concept of what DayZ is all about .

Gamers themselfs are many times the ones who make it imposible for indie developers to continuing.

Also when you start a game and search the net for every bit of info you get like wiki's, walkthroughs, databases or builds then obvious you be bored to death in few weeks or months no challenge at all.

Ithink the gamers need to re-evalutate how they think and play these games today and start over as it was 15years ago. orther wise i dont see any good future for any game at all it will all be super dumbdown versions and lifespan of weeks maybe even less.

Originally posted by DocBrody

Originally posted by Scalpless

There's plenty of titles for niche audiences, like Darkfall and Salem. However, those niche audiences seem to want AAA budgets despite being niche, which is why they don't get what they want.

Do you want a Darkfall or Salem with the budget and polish of WoW/GW2/ArcheAge? Not going to happen.

 Exactly. Niche concepts -> crap budget, sadly 

Then they go point at those small buggy indie titles and say: Look, it´s not working! Come back to play our cool big budget mainstream titles.

How about niche concept -> reasonable budget -> profit ? (e.g. EvE)

Darkfall 1 was great game and rather nice looking world. It failed on zerg and all race clans,cheating and splitting up community to early in two servers and to long grind.

If all believe you can't survive alone or saying that you been constantly ganked then people starting to believe this and leave.

Game community of Darkfall have for most part ruined there own game.

Even if devs dont deliver all or slow with updates solving bugs and communicate very bad you as player still dont need to cheat but 90% of darkfall community still cheated 24/7.

Darkfall was nich and great game, but it would have survived if the above points i mentions did not happen.

Its idea thats been discussed in all kind of variation.

Yes if all would be player driven and devs only design the game world and models of avatars would be great.

But for me sandbox always should be open free roaming world like Darkfall1 AGON was with no restrictions no invisble barriers, if it have zones restricted by walls or whatever im not so eager to play it.

But i think if players have total freedom with no structure at all it would become chaos, anarchy at its worse.

But idea of develop a untouched virgin world by players would be nice indeed.

Problem is after few months or year and gameworld is build prolly become boring or you can go to next planet for terraforming.

Indie developers already try doing this not that it always helps if a huge horde of zealot casual themparks destroy it in matter of weeks demand this carebear that.

Im for indie where gamers comes first and money second or third.

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

1. New quality triple A MMO announced: Hype jumps to the top

2. As they release info about the game, a large % of people get upset and make a poop storm on the forums and the hype rating stays high because people are clicking on the game page to yell and cry.

3. Hype rating drops to a stable rate as people are sick of crying and yelling and just the fans now click on the game page.

4. Game about to go into beta, all the people who dont like to pay for games jump on the game page for info and the hype rating spikes. 

5. only a small % get into beta so the rest of the beta leatchers stop clicking the game page, hype drops.

6. Game releases and lots of people check it out and the hype goes through the roof like step 1.

Hype has nothing to do with how good the game is. Any triple A MMO goes down this hype train and its more on why people are clicking the game page then how good the game is.

And after a month when game is launched they all come here screaming how game sucks.

Sounds familiar to me indeed.

Next hype pls....

Originally posted by Voqar

At this point I'm wonder why they're making this game.

 

Skyrim, and the series, are amazing games.  As I play Skyrim and have friends in my vent playing Skyrim, what we say is that the only thing that could make it better would be to be able to play it together.  But we'd be fine with co-op, our own server or game, our own world responding only to us.

 

I'm worried that with TESO the parts that make elder scrolls the best will be obliterated.  The immersion, depth, and amazingness of it all will be shot when xXDrizzt99Xx and other morons are flashing across your screen and general chat is full of child mentalities talking about WoW.

 

The other thing is, everything I'm hearing about this game sucks.  Skyrim and the series are amazing PVE games - they do PVE content in a way that few can match.  Huge open worlds full of endless things to do the way you want to do them.  Millions of players doing this single player PVE content.

 

So...what're they doing?  Making tons of PVP stuff for the game.  Really?  PvP has nothing at all to do with ES games.  Why?  Why even have PvP in TESO AT ALL?  MMORPG PvP sucks under the best of circumstances but in a game like TESO where you have few skills and use two buttons to fight...the PvP will be horribly boring.

 

And really, is PvP what fans want?  All the millions who have played this solo PvE game said, you know what, what would REALLY make this game better would be if you could PvP with these characters doing stuff that has nothing to do with the rest of the game (like all MMO PvP).

I just don't get it.

 

In a recent interview the TESO dude was asked about what kind of group content there was and he says, well we have PvP, there's that.  Really?  You pinheaded idea of group content for the online version of one of the best PvE franchises ever is PvP?  I wanted to reach thru the web and slap the fool.

 

If they're going with a weak version of Skyrim's gameplay and content and hoping that PvP with their character development system, gameplay, and combat system is going to somehow be a good game, they are drastically mistaken.

 

TESO, just like Neverwinter (PvP has nothing to do with D&D) shouldn't even have PvP and should be focused on PvE.  One reason why so many MMORPGs end up being mediocre and or having no lasting appeal is lack of PvE content to keep people busy past the solo ez-mode content.  Once they finish the glorified single player game part of the so-called massively multiplayer game they move on.  If devs would FOCUS a little more instead of trying to be everything for everybody, maybe they could retain some customers for more than a few months.

 

Wasting time making a complex PvP system for a franchise that has always been the pinnacle of PvE seems amazingly stupid.  Especially when the combat is so simplistic.  I can't even imagine anybody wanting to PvP with character setups and skills that are like those in skyrim.  Click mouse or click and hold for power attack.  How amazingly not compelling for PvP.

 

What they should be doing is throwing in as much group-based PvE stuff as they can possibly come up with so all those millions of players who have been doing PvE content for years and years can finally do that wicked content with other people.

 

Honestly, the more I hear about TESO at this point, the less interested I am in it because the last thing the MMORPG genre needs at this point is yet another clone of a game that tries to be everything for everybody.  Too much solo ez-mode, crappy PvP, and not enough group content to keep people around.  Same old crap formula that has produced mediocre and non-enduring MMO after MMO.

 

What the genre does need is a game that says, screw it, we're not doing yet another crappy attempt at PvP, and instead we're going to focus on fewer things, and instead of making a glorified single player game we're going to emphasize the one thing that's unique about MMOs and makes them special - the damn grouping.  If the idiots who want to solo in multiplayer games don't play, too bad, if the people who want to PvP and usually don't even care about the rest of the game don't play, too bad.  Take a chance on making the type of MMO that people will stick with and play for years, instead of making yet another generic MMO that has crap community and longevity because people play for 3 months, bail, come back once in a while if new content comes out, disappear again, repeat.

 

 

 

TESO is purely made for themepark players and now they hope some TES fans also make the jump to themepark that has little to do with TES games but they still can hope.

Im still far from even concider TESO its completely different game then TES games.

Its nice for themepark for gamers who are interested in mmo with elder scroll name attouched to it and having fun, but ill pass if you don't mind.

Originally posted by rastapastor

Originally posted by MagikrorriM

Originally posted by rastapastor

Can't wait to hear month after release from the same ppl who says FFIV is challenging

"Oh fuck i just beat the fuckin game, it's so fucking boring and easy. I just play 24/7 and have no life, is there any developer that can fulfil my miserable life with more content?" :)

 

Op stop speculating and just try the game for Yourself, it will be open beta soon, so You will have a chance to taste it on Your own skin. First rule of gaming, don't listen to other players, You can't trust them, haters will tell game is a piece of garbage, fanboys will protect the game to the death. The problem is it is Your taste, and at the end of the day You might like the game while the others will hate it.

 

From my point of view, it is pretty challenging, maybe it isn't sth extremly hard, but You should have some challange, ofc I don't know what a type of player are You, maybe You are a better player than me so FFIV might be easy for You. Also GW2 is not that easy, You know, it is the lack of the gear progression that made the game longevity short, but hell, try to faceroll high level fractals, i wish You luck ;). Definetly You need to try FFIV on Open Beta ;).

 

The only people I can see saying they beat everything in a month are legacy players that have everything (but the new classes) leveled to 50. Everyone else, that's just not going to be possible.

 

Don't understimate the power of nolifers man :)

Some lay under a car everyday try fix it tune it whatever or some go to bar everyday.

But when you play a mmo everyday your nolifer lol.

To each his own as long you have fun and enjoy it thats what counts.

Originally posted by furbans

Originally posted by Arakazi
Remember the hype about SWTOR, GW2, AoC and a whole host of other games?

EQN WILL be overhyped as hell (any game with a legacy like EQ will be)  and will leave many disappointed as they have unrealistic expectations and rage on countless forums saying that EQN is the greatest disappointment of the year.

This and many others will suffer the same faith.

Originally posted by JIUBHUNNY420

Woah, how did this news turn into a PermaDeath hate thread?

The reason Salem is failing is not because of Permadeath, im sorry anyone trying to attribute the fact that a game has poorly developed and although amazing in concept was made with such amateur talent on the side of Art, UI, and so many other things. Im sorry Permadeath just is not the reason, as it does not even affect you the same as a Full-Loot PVP MMO.

 

Permadeath has a place and its still a feature people want, but I think if your trying to say Salem is the example of a "PERMADEATH" game gone wrong, your toking up the wrong tree my friends ;)

 

Haters come here as fast as they can like flies go to crappile and starting to express there hate for permadeath or free for all pvp.

Most time they dont even know the facts they just say permadeath is couse of failing how ignorant people sometimes are lol.

DayZ is btw very succefull PERMADEATH game.