Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by zevni78

They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny.  Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard.  This is a business.  They should do what makes the most business sense.  If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma.  *boggle*

I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed.  As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

It's not ridiculous at all. If anything it's extremely refreshing.

And I also read that same interview.

What they are saying is that they believe paying a small amount of money each month should award players the entire game. Sounds good to me.

How is it refreshing?  You're not getting the entire game for a monthly fee.  You have to buy the game, and presumably xpacs which are essentially micro-transactions, in addition to the monthly fee.  I guess there are still a lot under the assumption that a monthly fee equals more content?  If you have to pay extra for the content then what is your monthly fee going towards?  We already know that server and account overhead are easily covered in the box price of games.

A small recurring fee equals a lot of money over time.  At $15 per month you're paying nearly $200 per year for a game plus the box / xpac fees.

To say that they are honoring existing customers by charging them more *is* ridiculous.  That may be a perfectly acceptable business model, but to bullshit and say that it's somehow more honorable is a lie.  It's perfectly fine to charge that way for a game, but don't couch it in the guise of goodwill.

I for one am glad they are keeping to P2P instead of B2P with cash shops bullshit. Personaly i find it to be a better model. Now prove they would be charging more for this model than cash shop pay to win crap.

Originally posted by zevni78

I also vote this be sticky. I really hope we get tons of new gameplay footage soon, it needs to be clear there is lots of varied content, and not just leaves to grind on all day. Yoshida still has a lot to prove, I don't doubt is intentions, just his and SE's ability, given how just 2 yrs ago they where obliviously a decade behind everyone else.

Yes sticky this please, and don't worry in live letter 4 Yoshida said they would make content video presentations.

Originally posted by xAPOCx

Originally posted by toddze
Combat means nothing to me. Why because no matter how great, awesome, spectacular, amazing, innovative, perfect, wonderful,etc, etc, etc combat is, it will become, boring, repetative, tedius, grind, etc, etc, etc, over time! Give me content any day. Combat gets old no matter what, content keeps players playing, not combat.

this all day.

Agreed, tab targeting or action baced if it dont have good story/lore, world and content then who cares.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I have no idea where that came from because i have been an avid FF gamer for many years and i have never heard that kind of comment before.The only game that truly copied EQ about 90% so, was Wow not FFXi.

This statement is actually in the PRESENT not in the past as they have definitely tried to take some WOw ideas and put them into both FFXI and FFXIV.

In FFXI the dailies were redesgined as book burns and in FFXIV they were redesigned as Leves and imo LEves are even worse because you can warp right to the quest and back upon completion.

The original FFXI was 99% all Tanaka ,he made the decisions and the design was his aside from the musical score and of course some sounds,textures ect ,the things the director would not be too involved in.

Yoshida making the claim of copying WOW is shown absolutely nowhere in the original FFXI as it is truly the one of a kind RPG that is different from the status quo that is EQ.

FFXI used NO markers anywhere in game,all other games do.FFXI gives no xp for quests,all other games do,that alone shows it was NOT an EQ clone.It is only recently that Square Enix has lost it's marbles on game design.They even began to copy other developers in releasing unfinishjed content,it really pissed me off watching the greatest developer go south with the rest.

Square Enix began to go downhill during the Wings of Goddess xpac,there was some potential there but also some lazy cheap work.

I am looking outside North America for the next best game.Jake Song will give us a decent effort but still not the game i am looking for.I want to see another effort that early FFXI showed me,a game that does not copy everyone else.

To show hoe clueless Square Enix is,their Abyssea idea was an absolute terrible decision ,yet the yhave continued to follow that route and are abotu to release another Abyssea xpac.Cheap lazy effert just rehashing the same idea for 4 straight xpacs now.

 Yoshida works for SE so he would know and hes right they did use everquest as a sort of template for ffxi