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Originally posted by Guillermo197

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Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, Aion doesn't rely on gameguard. Not in the west at least.

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Yes, so our version of AION is now even completely unprotected and even more open to hacking. Wich is exactly what happened is continue to happen.
Do you really think the NC devs in Korea are going to bother or even getting resources to work on client security for our western game client, while they or at least their CEO's still firmly believe in Gameguard and continue to use it in their MAIN Asian market?
The moment NCWest removed GameGuard we already pretty much knew this game was done for and that, next to the RMT'ers and more brighter cheating idiots,.... that now every Noob on the internetz was going to be able to hack their way into AION and run a bot program or any other hack.
Wich, again, is exactly what happened and continues to happen.
Cheers

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What a bullkaka! Aion was as easy to hack with Gameguard as it is without it. Removal of Gameguard helped a lot of legitimate users, but didnt change a thing for hackers.
Once GameGuard was there removing it on your client was a matter of one google search and 2 minutes of work, so then every noob on the internet and his granny was able to circumwent this infamous "protection". Not to mention that most bots can bypass gameguard on their own.

But lets get to the point.
Any estimates of release date? Both in Korea and rest of the world.

I got lifetime subscription to get into Closed Beta of Startrek Online. The beta started weeks ago and there is no chance to get into it in foreseable future. Not to mention release is comming pretty soon.

If Failcom will pull the same stunt as Craptic, and from experience we know Failcom is much worse than Craptic, then dont count on playing in that beta.

Just sitting here and taking part in beta keys giveaways gives you more chance to get into this beta.

I tested AoC with previous winback campaing, and it was the sameold crap it used to be i quit after release.

For me:
Constant crashes durring sieges? - yes, that's a pain.
Lag? Not at all.

Good job Russians!
This is one of the most polished MMOs at release ever! I'm taking both free and pay to play games into consideration. And i played almost all of them.
A little bit too wow like, for my taste, but the charcter consisting of 3 little bears is so cute it is instant win!

Music is excellent, story is interesting and immersive. After few hours of play i have both thumbs up!

The only thing that bothers me this game will be free to play - that means i will probably be spending much more than on 3 pay 2 play mmos per month. Oh well, i hope there will not be too many game breaking items at the item mall.

if NCsoft would have left GG alone and did not remove it a launch would it have stoped or at the very least hampered the boting situation at all?

Not at all. The botting would be as bad as it is now, as GameGuard does not block any bots nor prevent any cheats or hacks. However there would be substantialy lesser number of legitimate users who would be turned away from Aion by Game Guard (me included).

I played CB, OB, and head start and did not see the boting that runs rampent through the game now, actualy I never ran into 1 bot all throught CB and OB.

There were virtually no bots in beta, as there was no incentive for botters. People do not buy gold in beta, so farmers do not have incentive to farm.

I wounder if the real question is if we are partly responsible for the present situation at all?

Not at all.  On the contrary, situation would be much worse,  as the number of bots would be more or like the same but there would be much less real player. So if now every 3rd character online is bot, it would be every second with GG left in.

NCsoft tries to implement a tool that is supose to combat the present situation and all we did was rage,QQ, and threaten to quit,not buy, or get a charge back from our CC if GG was to be used so the company removes the tool and look at what Aion is faced with now.

Bullshit., They do some marketing shit talk to persuade you they are implementing anti cheat / bot tools, but they are as effective as GameGuard is. They had GG in the forst place to be able to say "our software is protected form cheating by industry standard GameGuard' while said software was 100% unefective in botting prevention.

To make maters worse after all the customers saying they did not want GG and NCsoft removing it their is little to no chance they would consider bringing it back so what is the company left with as a option to solve the problem.

They ARE onsidering bringing GG back. They said they will bring it back as soon as GG will be working as intended (protectng from cheats - not interfering with normal computer use). But if that was honest statement, they will never bring back GG as it will never work as intended. The whole system is good for nothing.

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Something tells me that the parents have no idea about this promotion. So, it will be the kids asking the parents to buy it for them,

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What kids?
All people i meet in wow were 20++.
edit: oh well, 15+, but most were 20++.

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Originally posted by stvtifa
I'm so suprise that there is so little interest in this game right now.

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The intrest is here, but the game is so far from release it's no point in wasting our time on it. Other than Diablo 3 and Guildwars 2 TERA is the game i'm looking forward the most.

Meanwhile Torchlight has stolen my heart...

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Originally posted by Vespers
Dont kid yourselves.
Mythic will be looking at the computer stats of most applicants to closed beta. This is still a business regardless of what they promised through some promotional BS.
Early closed beta will be needing high performance rigs to run the game decently. They will most likely use the lower end computers towards the end of closed beta.
If they dont get enough high end computers with the CO LT/6mth subs they they will add testers from general beta applicants.

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Actually, Mythic wont bedealing with this at all, as the game is being made by CRAPtic.

They (CRAPtic) will get people that betatested for them before and they were happy with ther work. Once they let all of them in in few waves, they will slowly start letting in people from contest / CO deals / who signed to get into beta again in waves, but all groups at the same time. Most of the lifetime subscribers wont get in until a week or so of the closed beta.

They are liars at NC SOFT - they lie all the time.
1. They cliamed they got antihack protection - GameGuard. GameGuard is no hack nor cheat protection at all. It is supposed to be but this is a lie. Thank's got arguments people were making went to them and they cut the crap with GaemGuard until they will get GameGuard to do it's job - which is never.
2. They lie about fighting gold sellers and spam. They might have some tools, but they must be as bad with fighting bots, goldselers and spam, as GameGuard is in case of hack prevention.
3. They are lying that the game works fine. It is unstable and unplayable, as it crashes every 5 minutes or more often in crowded areas.
4. They do some PR stunts to show us that they are working on problems (even making some pols) but it's bullshit, as they already have all the info they ask people to send.

That's not only NCSoft problems, its common for most of companies recently. They fail to understand that in the era of internet all they lies and scams will get exposed sooner rather than later and they will be transparent due to some of their clients being a lot smarter than their staff ever be.

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I'm not a lawyer, but I bet "most likely" is in no way legally binding.

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Not to mention they earlier wrote that we will get first into the beta. Dont have that link now though.

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Originally posted by Guillermo197
I will be laughing my butt off if this Guaranteed STO Beta access through the 6-month / Lifetime Champions Online deal was just another "Roper scam" to lure people into the 6-month / Lifetime Champion Online deals.

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Start laughing, because it's the case.
I'm one of those scammed fools.

Ultima Online was total crap. I tried it when it started and it sucked big time, i have to yet see other game as boring as UO. But i understand you might have liked it. So if UO is all that good in your opinion, why the hell are you not playing it anymore, just bore us with all that pointless whining.

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well... if age of conan is the winner, then you are the looser.
please accept my deepest condolences.

Is it me, or is this sire missing info about Tera Online?
I would like to know more about this game and have subforum to discuss it.

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Originally posted by drbaltazar
 mm i do hope if ncsoft is serious they erase the whole gameguard that plague us and only put the other after their real game 
yes its a lot of work to erase gg we go now and once sure its not there anymore reinstall 
but at least that way they can start anew ,might be gg got corruypted along the way and none detected the trouble and now thousand are affected with gg problem
and gamer if they want to erase game guard have to do a lot of olaoups to erase that 
i do hope we wont have to erase the whole game a restart from scratch.

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Removing the game wont remove game guard :) It's a rootkit, once it gets on your computer its hardly possible to get removed :) You still can do that, but its pain in the ass.

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Originally posted by Frostbite05
1/10
Honestly i happy its gone cause frankly it was useless. However, It has always been mad easy to stop the errors 99% of the time all you have to do is turn off virus protection and BAM it works perfectly. People really are not very smart.

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Lol, what is not very smart is turning off your antivirus protection :)

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Depends on the version I guess, some version will do a file check before each launch (that's when GG shows up top left corner and checks it's file for a few seconds). When it does that, it will redownload itself if any alteration were made and auto-launch, so the "bypass" which is really changing the gameguard.exe with a dummy .exe, fails.
Also, I've had experience with gameguard, it's main purpose is tp stop the script kiddies and noobs from using or making bots. Making a bot is ridiculously simple, but goign through gameguard is a whole other story (when it's working anyway). So please, before saying Gameguard is useless, learn what it does before, you are only spreading misinformation.

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Dont lecure people aboput spreading missinformation if you are spreading missinformation yourself.

Game guard is useless as it can be totally bypassed, and the only thing it offers is a bag of problems for some people, and one more security hole for everyone. If somone is "smart enough" to download scripts or cheat software, he is also smart enough to get software to block GameGuard.

"I'm so happy that i could sing,
I love everyone and everything,
I'm so happy that i could fly,
I just cant feel the time go by, I'm so high!

Who's winning? We are all winning!!
Who's winning? We are all winning!!"

GameGuard was killing my wifi dongle software, putting me offline whenever i was turning aion on, making it impossible to play.

I'm glad i can now play Aion woithout reverting to hacking GameGuard.

I love my Parry Hotter charcter. He havent been banned yet, but i wont be surprized when he will. :)