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I would guess it will be a VR Facebook with a design like a big lobby. You can probably go do a fantasy dungeon run or go play a fps map or even do some farming in farmville. Have your facebook character as your game person and grow him in many games within the lobbies, sounds lame just like Facebook.

Ouch, that had to hurt the project. Sucks for the people involved, guess he just put another nail in his reputation.

I come here to read the posts of professional trolls anymore, I will probably get banned for this post too. Pretty much every single thread looks like this:


"I like red flowers, they are nice to look at"


"OMGawd how can you like Red flowers??? Blue is so much better"


"I think it's fun to water them, they also have a nice smell"


"Fun is subjective, I think they stink... 1000 word essay about how Red flowers smell and are not fun to water"


"Dude, I was just saying I thought they were nice"


"I can't believe anyone would say that about the red flowers, 500 word essay about how blue flowers are better than red flowers"


"I really don't care man, just saying I like the Red flowers"


"You care enough to post on a public forum... 1000 word essay about how red flowers are a cash grab"


"....ok dude piss off if you don't like red flowers"

Pete Banned for trolling.




Originally posted by Archlyte
Originally posted by Fearum
Had no bot problems all weekend, think you are a bit late to the party with the thread.

Ignore the man behind the curtain, nothing to see here, we don't need to see his identification....move along. Man if you are going to try and disparage any thread that seems negative toward your game you could at least be more subtle. OP is at least trying to turn a negative into a positive.

Just relaying what I saw during my time in game with my own eyes there Mr. Wizard.

Originally posted by tixylix

Sure $15 a month isn't expensive until you look at it being $180 per year and then I see that as ALOT to spend on one game. 

I at most play for 80 hours spread out throughout a year, that is around 6/7 hours a month. Am I really going to have to spend $180 to be able to play when I want? I have so many other games to play, so much else to do in my life, one MMO isn't all I play. 


So if I have to pay a sub... I just wont bother. 

Seems like you should look at facebook games or somewhere else to get your gaming fix. 6-7 hours a month in any mmo you're not getting much out of it. The genre does not support that casual of play, atleast I wouldn't play an mmo that did.

Had no bot problems all weekend, think you are a bit late to the party with the thread.

ESO is a online ES game - Skyrim is a single player ES game.

It's hard to understand that I know. 

I know its confusing and everything, but breath deep and calm down.

Breath in....... and out. Breath in....... and out, there you go.

Do you feel better?

If not repeat breathing exercise until you do or fall asleep, when you come too just know that ESO is still an ES game even if you think other wise.

Originally posted by LordZeik
I'm just a bit confused. You would rather not spend 15 bucks a month. For an option where impulse buying can go anywhere from a few dollars to several thousand over the course of the next few months. Where as if you bought a game and subbed for a few months your total investment would only be a little over a hundred bucks. Then we have to look at your sense of balance. How can you justify that balance if someone can basically combine paying and playing extensively to outclass you at every corner? This mind set is one of the reasons why P2P takes such a hit. Consumers get tricked so easily by the "illusion" of free.

You can't use common sense in this argument. :P

Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by nttajira

mod can lock this topic ? we got enough of them, eso curently P2P for the standar they want to keep ,

and yeah that not there yet but that the first months and if people whould stop to be immature and think everything should be right now perfect , the game will get there, the base game realy amazing and fun.

that not B2P or F2P because it not this type of game.

they are no reason talk about it, use you logic.


you need to be the one you talk about how this game should be either B2P or p2p. because that not either of those and that just rude to say people should explain to you why the game p2p.

if you want know, can tell you a litle bit some reason.

- services ( yeah no matter how you bitch or think they are the worst ever, they are way better that b2p or p2p game dev )

- no cash shop ( no the horse not one )

- REAL update and a team working daily on the game ( no f2p and b2p game dont have it )

we pay for these service the total of .50 cents a day something ANYONE can afforts, if you cant, you should not have enough time play mmorpg.

my food last night cost me 4 months subs omg.... i get a damn cofee each day before work and that 4x more that the price daily... when people with stop bitch about how game like mmorpg should be FREE ??

they are not these type of game, they require BIG WORK, TEAM, DEV , working DAILY. accept it or go play your shooter or other single player game who require no update, daily, patch, big team working on it....



this is a discussion forum.


Why is it wrong to have a discussion.


I asked for a argument from the other side for once for those against ESO going B2P/F2P.

How is that Rude?


I thought thats the whole point of the First Amendment. TO give people the freedom to speak out against other thoughts.

Well I see a lot of arguments for why its payment model should change,


i would like to read the arguments for the other side of this debate for sake of a civil discussion.

First off, like many people who bring up the First Amendment, you have very little clue as to what it actually covers (little hint: does not apply to a company's forums page). But that's beside the point. Not sure why you are making this an "ESO" F2p thing. Most people (and I'm one of them) don't like the F2P model for any games for various reasons. My reasons are:

  • Created bad game communities.
  • Rarely is it really "free". Often they turn into cash-grab/pay-to-win crap fest that end you costing more money than a $15 monthly sub.
  • Guess I'm old fashion. I like the old and tried sub payment model. Just my personal preference. 
But it has very little to do with ESO specifically.. 

I don't get it why people think F2P / B2P community is bad... Have you actually looked at those communities and compared them to P2P ? I've played WOW, EVE, RIFT, GW2, GW1, SWTOR, DCUO, Defiance, Aion, Runes of Magic, Flyff, lineage and so on...

In those games I remember that the worst possible communities were in EVE, WOW, DCUO and Defiance (which practically had no community because of it's pathetic social system).... So as you can see those games are P2P, F2P and B2P and it really doesn't matter what sub model a game has because from my exp it's not really a relevant factor. I usually see it being pulled of as an excuse on forums and stated as a fact - like here, but when playing games there's no rule for it and it certanly isn't true that F2P/B2P makes a terrible community. As an example I can take GW1, which had the best possible community I've came across in games and GW2 isn't far from it as well even tho I don't play GW2 as much as I used to.

The old and tried sub payment model is exactly that, "old" and less and less companies can make a profit in todays mmorpg market because it's simply too BIG and people aren't hanging around in just 1 mmorpg for long enough, as we've seen from many examples in the recent years.

Devs take what they can and if they see that people will buy whatever crap they throw at them in the cash shop then that's how they'll do it. Afterall they're here to make a profit so pushing cash shops to p2w limits isn't strange, but if people wouldn't buy those stuff they wouldn't bother putting them in. With that said... I still haven't spent anything more than few dollars in a F2P game and if I see devs turning towards p2w I just stop playing, there's plenty of other mmorpgs to fill the gaps :D

Go play them, leave the sub games alone.

Originally posted by Sephros
30 + 5 days aint up yet. Its the new math I tell ya. Makes people crazy.


On topic,

I havent seen a single bot this weekend so far. Leveling 4 characters slowly all with different crafting jobs takes a bit of time. I still have 2 characters in Auridon and they have really fixed most of the issues since launch. Had one bug where I needed to log out and back in to get the fire wand working on the quest in the spirit graveyard area but other than that it is really smooth. The population is still pretty high there, I can get a group for BC in a minute or two and the major cities are still packed with people.

Your argument is null and void. They designed the game the way it is for a reason, play it or don't. Keep your F2P model in the garbage with the trash sir.

In your fantasy where they make the game F2P I'm sure it would go the same as all the other ones, a huge surge of d bags rein in on the game chasing out the original players leaving only the trash to make purchases in the cash shop that they monthly update with lame costume gear and boosters. 

The standard argument for F2P is there are so many quality games out already, so why would you need another one? Go play those. If or when this game goes to F2P, I will be long gone before that. If they do it while I'm playing it (doubtful) I would quit and uninstall.

Haven't seen any bots this weekend either. The dungeons have been clear as far as I can tell. There was a few people camping the boss in a couple of them but they all talked and were surprised that the bots were gone also.

Still had a few bugs with a couple quests but nothing big, the overreaction crowd has been silenced a bit. ZOS seems to be on top of shit and thats a good thing.

So true.
If it went F2P I would quit. The likes of people who plague these forums would be in game and that would just... eh I feel dirty just thinking about it.
Originally posted by Rabenwolf

The problem isnt just the gold spammers or even the bugs. The game is flawed in its design,  flawed to the point where it will require way too much work and really a miracle to turn around.

I see a lot of people defending the game as though its some how tied to their self esteem. That needs to stop. Zenimax isnt experienced in this particular genre, and it shows. The name (Elder scrolls) might have gotten a lot of people to purchase, but the design isnt there where they will stay.

I like the design and it much better than anything I have played in the last 10 years. I actually feel like playing this game for the story and my guild, sorry you feel like people are basing this game on themselves, but it seems like people who have some kind of hate for a game are trying to boost their self esteem by attacking people who actually like the game, kind of reverse of what you are trying to say.

Originally posted by SonOfValmar

I am of the mindset that 'grinding' is not something that should be an acceptable part of gaming. I would define 'grinding' as there being one effective way of gaining levels/gear/pvp points/etc.  I strongly dislike the current trend of MMOs that force the player down specific paths (such as the current love affair with quest or die) even if the game contains multiple types of content. There should always be options for players to advance their characters, especially if a development team is going to spend time developing multiple different types of content in their game.


However, in the spirit of answering the OP's original question, I would say that quest grinding is worse than mob grinding. I believe this because mob grinding can be done in a very efficient manner, and the player can control how fast or slow they partake in this activity. Quest grinding often comes with artificial time constraints/increases in the form of npc voice acting, cutscenes, quest "choices", running to turn in/find quests, escorts, and rng drop quests.

Pretty much a bot can mob grind so I don't see how that is better, but whatever floats your boat. Some people like the experience of these games and play them for the whole game, not just the quickest way to get to level.

This game looks like crap, more f2p garbage. People are going to pay to play it? Eso beta was free last I remember.
Originally posted by Mr.SeriousGuy

current meta critic user score is 6.3 . this is from about 500 total reviews of users . it seems about right . its not a 10/10 game its not a 8/10 game its a 6/10 game


which places hearthstone , smite and diablo3 above it . and i can see that . ESO is the c average student . its not great but its not the worst . its mediocre .  

To each is own. I think the games you spouted off were sub par 5/10 games.

Mob grinding is for bots.

Great game so far. They seem to be fixing it up as it goes and is the most fun I have had in a mmo in a long time. Leveling 4 different characters and doing all the crafting is a pain in the ass lol. Got them all over 10 now, highest is 16, and still can't pick a favorite class, I like them all. Taking it nice and slow and having fun, all that matters to me. Others need quick bang for the buck, more power to them and good luck finding their next game to devour.


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