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Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok here is an example that might help people understand 'player created stories'

Darkfall: Largest clan that got into the game day 1 had taken over a great deal of the map. Smaller clans eventually set differences aside and covertly joined together to attack this clan. They also used the forums for social propaganda.

Then on the day of the war a huge alliance came out of nowhere and took both sides down.

 

At least that is how I recall Darkfall World War 1.

Was any of that scripted? not explicitly. Where these players creative? very much so.

Devs didnt have to make a story line, didnt have to construct quests or any of that. 

Great story but the game died. After the rebirth it is now about to die again.

Bad example.

I know what you mean but you can create that kind of thing in Cyrodiil. You don't think there will be alliance's in the game? You can use TS and Vent just like people do in DF.

ok how about all the stories in EVE that make headline news? is that good enough for you to fully grasp?

Eve is boring as shit to me, I pay no attention to it. No need to get snippy...

I had fun in DFUW but the population died so fast the game just got empty. Without people its kind of pointless.

Also those types of games breed bad populations where f*cking over people is the norm. Not everyone is into that kind of political back stabbing type of game play on a daily basis. Sometimes people just want to be entertained in a nice movie/story line where they are playing a part and discovering more of it on the way.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

ok here is an example that might help people understand 'player created stories'

Darkfall: Largest clan that got into the game day 1 had taken over a great deal of the map. Smaller clans eventually set differences aside and covertly joined together to attack this clan. They also used the forums for social propaganda.

Then on the day of the war a huge alliance came out of nowhere and took both sides down.

 

At least that is how I recall Darkfall World War 1.

Was any of that scripted? not explicitly. Where these players creative? very much so.

Devs didnt have to make a story line, didnt have to construct quests or any of that. 

Great story but the game died. After the rebirth it is now about to die again.

Bad example.

I know what you mean but you can create that kind of thing in Cyrodiil. You don't think there will be alliance's in the game? You can use TS and Vent just like people do in DF.

Originally posted by ihaveabeard
Originally posted by Kyleran
If you don't realize that its supposed to be the players who make and live the story in a MMORPG, then you've missed the entire point and potential of the genre.

The stories the players have made in EVE in the past 10 years far exceed anything ever delivered in LOTRO, shame you've missed it.

 

Can you really claim that THAT is the point of the whole genre? It does sound nice, I'll give you that - but that's my personal opinion. One guy. How can you assume it's what the majority of people should think is the point of the MMO genre? Are most gamers that creative? Be honest.

I'm not and Eve is boring as shit. :P  You want a game with no story line play DayZ. 

Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by DMKano

Originally posted by Dulu Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.   Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.   And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.   My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?   What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)   I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..
What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

 

OR

Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

Please.


 

is it batshit crazy to write or report on what you think your readers or youtube subscribers want to hear? i don't agree they are paid money straight up for what they say good or bad, but it is indeed money to them to make those readers happy by reporting what they want to hear to keep them coming back for more.

that's not a conspiracy theory, that's just journalism. i wonder how many more subscribers angryjoe got after his review of ESO? that's straight cash homey. lol

I think its bat shit crazy to judge any mmo in the first 10-15 levels since that is where you spend the least amount of your game time.

Originally posted by ihaveabeard
 

 

Sometimes over-thinking is bad, mmkay?

This is what the thread is about though :P

Originally posted by ihaveabeard
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

 

Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

 

And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

 

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

 

What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

 

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

OR

Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

Please.

OR

most of the reviewers were expecting to play a single player ES game when they should have been expecting to play an mmo based in the ES world.

OR

Many of the reviewers are greedy and want more hits on their site and got burned from the past few mmo's that crashed and burned even after they gave them great reviews and are now playing it safe.

No, it isn't that complicated. These types of things usually aren't.

 

Or

they got dumped by an ex lover and are just miserable

Or 

they hate gaming and only do this for money and going negative is always safer than going positive... ah I think I said this one already. 

Or

... got to think of a few more.

Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Notimeforbs
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Dulu

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

So you think that people are paid shills and that they are being paid to shit-can this game?

I'm going to pretend you are kidding.

 

So you think when hundreds of millions of dollars are a stake, companies wouldn't shill out a few thousand here and there to create bad press for their competitor?

I'm going to pretend you are kidding.

You are so wrong on this - its absurd.

Game companies would never pull this off, none of them do it, it would be a complete waste of resources and money.

Its actually beyond absurd, sorry.

 

Really? Pretty sure one of the mods here have said this kind of stuff goes on and they try and keep it under control. Might have been to hype games but who is to say its not to create negativity also?

Some of the people in some of these threads are so against some of these games its hard to think a sane person would carry on a vendetta against them for so long with little or no reason other than they dislike a game. Not even talking about ESO some of these other games that people just hound forever, or is it they are obsessed? Who knows?

Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

 

Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

 

And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

 

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

 

What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

 

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

OR

Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

Please.

OR

most of the reviewers were expecting to play a single player ES game when they should have been expecting to play an mmo based in the ES world.

OR

Many of the reviewers are greedy and want more hits on their site and got burned from the past few mmo's that crashed and burned even after they gave them great reviews and are now playing it safe.

Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by osc8r

Hmm... i actually remember AOC and WAR, and all the negativity around them on the forums before they were released.

But then there were the fanboys that kept chiming in with "a lot can happen in X months".

i remember AOC fans claiming the "magic patch" prelaunch

Damn WAR! Damn it to hell. I think that was probably the worst let down for me in an MMO. 

Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by RealmLordsKen

I'm of the opinion that consolers will be critical in the success of TESO.  If they like it, mega-hit.  If not, I don't see PC players having big enough numbers to carry the game long term.

 

Until the reviews address console player perspective, I don't think they mean much.

 

This game should be buy to play on the consoles,

#1. It would reinvigorate console sales and that actually needed since MXsoft especially cant even give away the xb1 and the ps4 isn't much better.

#2 if it were buy to play - it would take off like wildfire especially considering the minimal competition on the new consoles.

 

I doubt it, they would have to have a cash shop to get more money or each month they put out content they would have to charge for it. They have a plan, its to put out content updates each month and treat the game like a premium service.

We will see about that though but I think they might be able to pull it off since they have been planning it for some time, again we will see. By doing this they need a steady stream of income to keep a decent size team developing everyday plus all the other jobs that need to be filled to run a game like this.

B2P is too dependent on a cash shop since after the initial purchase the only other cash they get is from crap in the crap shop and from wasting all their resource on holiday temporary updates to... sell more crap in the crap shop.

Originally posted by azzamasin
If SWTOR taught us anything is that a reliable fanbase does not counteract a very mediocre game.

Either do rave previews.

Just reading someones opinion about a game without knowing anything about the person you're reading is another thing to consider. If you listen or read anything from Joe Smith and he is a huge console gamer wtf does he know about it really more than from a person who mainly plays MMO games.

Would you go to a shoe store to get a review of a jacket?

I am confused
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No you will have to purchase everything for each game if you pay anything for them. They will be both F2P though, so saving your money would be the wisest move I would guess :)
Originally posted by threefeet
i just watched a few mins of alpha. graphics etc aside, because it IS alpha, there is nothing special about it. same canned character creation, same old everything......

You would think with the endless crying on forums about housing this housing that, when a game comes out with only housing it would be so booming the internet would crash.

Looks like this game is ghost town already after one week of alpha that people were praising for a couple days.
Originally posted by osc8r

It's hard to debate things like this without braking the NDA.

However, let's just say i even managed to make it to max level in neverwinter and swtor without find myself wanting to logout every 30 minutes or so to play something that wasn't quite so boring.

I guess pointing the character in the direction of the next waypoint, tapping numlock, then sitting back and watching the pretty scenery go by just isn't to my liking.

Another example: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6176681

Who knows, the game may change drastically at higher levels - i live in hope.

 

 

 

What does NDA have to do with anything? I'm not debating anything about the game with you, I'm trying to get you to explain what you are talking about in your other post which you can use any example even a made up one about quests with real risks and quests that make you think.

Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
Meh... Who cares what Joe thinks...

Obviously people who don't know how to form their own opinion on things and need to be told one. :P 

The guy has to play so many trash games day in and day out trying to find one that he can get views from I doubt he plays any game long enough to really form a true review of a game. It's his job to be all loud and annoying to get more hits on his page, right now its popular to be negative about everything and he seems to be fitting in fine.

Originally posted by osc8r
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by osc8r
Originally posted by Eighteen16
Originally posted by osc8r

So instead of "kill X of these" we now have "find and talk to X people".

Sorry, but running around the map and clicking on marked people/items is just as bad, if not worse than the generic kill quests.

If ESO is the future of MMO's, i'll pass.

So you don't want to talk to people and you don't want to go anywhere. A typical valued member of an MMO community. 

Hey, if you find enjoyment in following waypoints to the next generic wall of text then more power to you!

What kind of questing do you enjoy?

Preferably quests that involve some type of risk, or at least brain activity... leisurely walking across the country side to the next 'click' waypoint (or 3) is just so monotonous.

Risk like what? I can't think of any quests in any mmorpg that really have any real risk to them. 

 

Brain Activity like how? Are you talking about puzzle quests? Maybe you should try TSW, they have some quests that make you think, I really didn't like the game or the quests in it but some people seem too. I don't think they would fit into ES world though.

Most quests in any game are pretty much just "boring, generic or unenjoyable" as you describe in one way or another. Just like how a book is a book and its filled with words, a quest is pretty much following a set of choices or tasks to get to an end and killing stuff or preforming an action - task is really only how it can be played out in a video game.

Originally posted by Ice-Queen
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

EA, Rob Denton, and Paul Barnett are the people who gutted Mythic, sank WAR, and then kept Mark Jacobs from getting the rights to DAoC back.

 

They are scum, plain and simple. Money grubbing corporate scum. EA Louse touched a little bit on just how bad they are, but its only the tip of the iceberg. I'd rather have the current, half dead DAoC than give these fuckers money.

 

When Jacobs starting putting together the DAoC Origins server, to bring it all back to pre ToA, EA cut the cord on the project and shuffled everyone over to save WAR and SWTOR.

Yeah, I have 0 interest in anything that Denton is involved with.

Yeah the dude sounds like a real piece of shit. I wouldn't give him a dollar for anything he puts out.

 
Originally posted by osc8r
Originally posted by Eighteen16
Originally posted by osc8r

So instead of "kill X of these" we now have "find and talk to X people".

Sorry, but running around the map and clicking on marked people/items is just as bad, if not worse than the generic kill quests.

If ESO is the future of MMO's, i'll pass.

So you don't want to talk to people and you don't want to go anywhere. A typical valued member of an MMO community. 

Hey, if you find enjoyment in following waypoints to the next generic wall of text then more power to you!

 

 

What kind of questing do you enjoy? You have a lot of opinions but offer nothing like most people here.

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