Originally posted by DavisFlight

And he's packpedaled on public dungeons too.

It seems lke Matt had a great design vision, then the publishers stepped in and started screaming about how it has to be more like WoW, more instanced, more like GW2!!

The disconnect shows. Check out this pathetic interview quote where the guy totally dodges/misunderstands the question.

 

"Why did you go in a direction that so heavily favors more rigid zones, quests, and things of the like?

Nick Konkle: Certainly meshing those two has always been our main design philosophy, what we strive very hard to do. I think maybe the missing element was first-person, experiencing it in that way."

So many times in that interview they say "We could do this really cool thing, but someone might not get to experience it!" They don't seem to understand that that is PART of the experience, and that if you try to please everyone, you please no one.

 Yeah they are caving hard. Its sad to see but now the game will be put on my back burner. Will wait to see how it turns out a month or two after launch since its starting to get butchered up. All hope is lost.

Originally posted by Gravarg
I'm happy with the changes they've done.  Before crafting and the level 50 thing was announced, I wasn't sure I was even going to try this out.  Now I'll at least try the beta if I get in, and this might actually be the first game I pre-order since Rift (and the expansion, but that doesn't count lol).

 I'm on the other end of that, was going to pre order. Now I see they are altering the game to forums and youtubers so will now wait for a month or two after release to see how the game plays out.

Originally posted by TheScavenger

This is an amazing change. In Skyrim, even though Stormcloaks and the Empire are at war with the khajiit (or don't like them)...the Khajiit can still be found roaming Skyrim trading their goods.

 

This is a great victory for real Elder Scrolls fans.

 Not really, if you join the Stormcloaks you can't join the Imperials also. You have to choose one. Now it seems choice doesnt matter, where will it end.

Originally posted by Qallidexz
I can't believe how many people are acting "OK" with this. GUYS, RvR in this game has been DESTROYED. You should be PISSED. lol At least we still  have the possibility of CU being a good game.

 I just hope Mark has bigger balls than Matt and sticks to his plan without breaking to the cry babies on forums/youtube to grab a few extra initial sales.

Seen this coming, trying to please everyone will end up pleasing nobody. I hope they made it a real pain in the ass though, 100% PvE completion might be that factor. I'm not a completionist so I have no plans in taking part in this part of the game. I hope the PvP doesnt suffer since they are taking time and resources to deal with cry babies.

Well there is CU now to look forward too. Hope that doesnt turn into a break and fold game to the people who cry alot like ESO is now doing.

I chose gameplay even though that I think graphics are also very important. But first and foremost you need good gameplay in a game, than you make it look pretty. You could really have a great game but if it looks like crap your not going to pull much of a crowd and alot of the reviews will say it looks dated. Angry birds, Minecraft, pac-man, pong all didnt need dx11 to be a good game but we arent talking about those types of games here. We are talking about an MMORPG.

For MMORPG that is focusing on only RvR I would expect it to look pretty damn good since there isnt that much else you have to focus on here. Reading through the new FP #12 has me curious as too how bad this thing is going to look now since they are down playing graphics, which has me kind of concerned.

Originally posted by naezgul

Originally posted by Fearum

I have to ask, Why? Why would you need bg's when the whole game is about PvP? Why would you want them and what purpose would they serve when you level yourself on PvP?

I could really careless if they are in a game because I don't like them. The only ones that were fun and I did enjoy were the ones in DAoC. They were more like a practice for the big game though instead of just a death match like alot of other games use them.

Because that is what I did in the BG's .....level with pvp......near my level

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Fearum

The only stealth I think would be good would be if an archer had a camouflage type ability but couldnt move while using it, well maybe moves really slow. Gives you a scout class with stealth but does not make it over powered or anything to worry about because its not a combat crutch or ability but only for scouting. 

 

I'm glad that they arent going for an assassin type class here. There are enough games that already have them and usually are always the most played classes. Having large groups of stealthed assassins is lame.

Another bad idea IMO.

WoW's stealth still better.

stealth classes shouldn't be able to stealth in combat without long cooldownsl its whats wrong with Thief balance in GW2 IMO.

all damage should remove stealth. Dots, AoE, etc.

enemies who are stealth, if close in Melee range should get enhanced detection of other stealthed enemies.

using attack skills in stealth should auto unstealth. Non attack skills should not.

some classes get counter stealth abilities to track stealthed enemies in the field of view. This requires them to use their player skill and knowledge to detect stealthers and lay down traps or AoE that area to expose them.

stealthers have to have skill to move out of AoE, and try to avoid traps and detection skills.

Horrible idea, being able to walk around in sunlight and not be seen is just crap. Playing a game of hunt the invisible players is not fun.

The only stealth I think would be good would be if an archer had a camouflage type ability but couldnt move while using it, well maybe moves really slow. Gives you a scout class with stealth but does not make it over powered or anything to worry about because its not a combat crutch or ability but should only be used when scouting. Can also make it only possible to use it when your in some kind of cover like bushes or shadows. Being able to stealth out in the open sunlight and walk around is just crap.

I'm glad that they arent going for an assassin type class here. There are enough games that already have them and usually are always the most played classes. Having large groups of stealthed assassins is lame.

I have to ask, Why? Why would you need bg's when the whole game is about PvP? Why would you want them and what purpose would they serve when you level yourself on PvP?

I could really careless if they are in a game because I don't like them. The only ones that were fun and I did enjoy were the ones in DAoC. They were more like a practice for the big game though instead of just a death match like alot of other games use them.

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Fearum

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by BadSpock

But it's like they are trying to woo the MMO crowd with RvR and are leaving the ES fans out to dry just hoping they pick the game up because it's ES.

I'm almost wondering if this was their intention; making the game for MMO players and just hoping TES fans will like it because of the theme.  What they don't understand is most of the MMO crowd are also TES fans.  They could've just made a TES MMO instead of changing core elements for MMO players.

Firor doesnt give 2 sh!ts about ES fans. That was made clearly obvious by his comment "This is Elder Scrolls Online. If you want a real ES experience go play Skyrim"

All he has wanted to do over the last 10 years since he left Mythic is remake DAOC in his vision.

 Firor is awesome and its great to see dev's being that blunt. lol great comment from him. Where is the link?

The quote (not exact mind you) is from one of the articles on Massively when the game was first announced. I believe its the same article where he said "Housing is not possible in an MMORPG the way fans want it. Its too hard".

Its the article where he was constantly making excuses for why they are making ESO the way they are.

Not going to spend the next hour or so searching it out for you. Find it yourself.

 No need to get all pissy, if your going to quote people atleast give a link.

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by BadSpock

But it's like they are trying to woo the MMO crowd with RvR and are leaving the ES fans out to dry just hoping they pick the game up because it's ES.

I'm almost wondering if this was their intention; making the game for MMO players and just hoping TES fans will like it because of the theme.  What they don't understand is most of the MMO crowd are also TES fans.  They could've just made a TES MMO instead of changing core elements for MMO players.

Firor doesnt give 2 sh!ts about ES fans. That was made clearly obvious by his comment "This is Elder Scrolls Online. If you want a real ES experience go play Skyrim"

All he has wanted to do over the last 10 years since he left Mythic is remake DAOC in his vision.

 Firor is awesome and its great to see dev's being that blunt. lol great comment from him. Where is the link?

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by fs23otm

Caliburn, after your repeated threads you just come off as bitter. 

I feel pity that you have nothing else in your life to do, but try and knockdown a game that has not yet been released.

...and you're saying he comes off as bitter?

TES is a great series and not all of us can just sit around and watch them screw up an iconic franchise.

But you see, no one is screwing up an iconic franchise.

It is only a few, loud, deluded individuals who believe only they know the correct way to pay homage to TES in an MMO... and they can't even agree amongst themselves on the true way to do it.

 Yeah, its funny reading these threads.

Originally posted by timtrack

In the past: "This game does not appeal to me, i shall ignore it and move on to follow games that do appeal to me."

 

Now: "This game does not appeal to me, it should be changed to my liking or i will make posts on every forum on the internet about how this game is worse than Hitler."

LOL, right on. The White Knights will save us all.