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Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Paske

So basicly, Erotica 1, one of the most exposed scammers has *GASP* scammed someone.

That someone was dumb enough to give them even more assets.

Now they are bu** hurt and write angry posts about it.

 

You have to understand, EVE is NOT your garden variety game. No one will hold you by your hand while you make your first steppes. No one cares if you toiled for months to get that ISK only to see it blown up/ scammed/ stolen / whatever.

You bought 500$ worh of PLEX, sold it for ISK , got your self 20bil CNR only to get it blown up on Jita undock ? Excuse us while we point and laugh at you.

 

The game isnt for everyone, it never was and it never said it was. Scamming, stealing, lying, doing what you want or must is all alowed.

Using third party people in order to get intel on your rivals in attempt to steal all their assets and then mock them in public ? More power to you !

 

You dont like it? May I sugest some other game then. EVE is harsh and doesnt forgive. Adapt or die.

Gotta love how you and others are still trying to make this about the scam.

THIS. WAS. NEVER. ABOUT. THE. SCAM.

The guy fell for a scam, and I couldn't care less about him losing his in-game property. He made a stupid choice, and in all honesty absolutely deserved to lose said property.

The issue here is the fact that for two hours, several people strung him along with false reassurances & hope with the sole purpose of pushing him to his breaking point for their own sadistic enjoyment. That's the issue here, not the loss of digital property. One would think that would go without saying, but then again perhaps I'm giving the people defending this sort of garbage too much credit.

I hope that, should some of you find yourselves being mugged or bullied some day, the cops simply tell you that , "Life is harsh and doesn't forgive. Adapt or die." Then maybe you'll realize just how ridiculous and disgusting your attitudes are.

You make a valid point, if only it was based off of facts:

The purpose of the room wasn't to push people to the breaking point. I thought it was at the beginning and had to do a bit of research to find out that this wasn't the case. This is partially why the "witch" in this hunt was targeted. People were way to quick to pass judgement then to spend the extra effort to find the facts

You degrade your argument by wishing physical harm against those who disagree with you. This tells me that you are emotionally and not logically driven with this post.

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

Those who continue to go on this witch hunt are no longer going in support of the 'victim' that are claiming to support. Like witch hunts in the past it only requires the actions of the accuser(s) to go on. And seeing that the main accuser is ignoring the desire of the victim of said act, it suggests that the accuser is acting on their own agenda.

Those who continue to support him have been more likely to emotionally driven. They have been posting hateful things such as declaring those who choose to defend against it as 'sociopaths' or like in your case, wishing physical harm. I hope people like you will learn to clear their emotions at the door and show restraint and respect and not spread the hate over a little drama.

I have held back posting about this subject hoping it will blow over soon. It hasn't. While the original purpose was noble this has turned into a witch hunt, pure and simple. The fact that the OP couldn't post without expressing desire of inflicting bodily harm is an indicator that he is too far affected by his emotions to make a reasonable case against Ero 1 or the Eve community as a whole.

This whole thing started with Jester's blog where he threw the whole thing in the open, then pubicly shunned Ero 1 for his actions, calling it torture. As many follow his blog, they took this as an opportunity to take up arms and fling their hatred around. The labeling, the name calling, and the posts filled with hate I assumed that the bonus room must have been a terrible place where the victim was placed in a high stress situation. Then I listen to the recording. My opinion changed dramatically, Sohkar had enough warning, and even questioned what he was putting himself through. Then after that he completely lost it and in is rage attempted to throw as many insults as he could.

Yet the witch hunt continued, even when the victim of said hunt attempted to stop it:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4404332#post4404332

"i just got off the TS with erotica 1 and i did this to try to put a end to all this stuff people are putting out there and get how i felt about everything. I think all you people need to drop it. the "bonus room" happened over a month ago. Ask yourself why is it now just coming out now? if it wasnt for the article written about it no one would know or care. I know some of you said its not about erotica 1 or myself and you maybe right but what is it about then that people got scam it happens all the time even in RL. I got scammed and made an fool of myself in the process he did not ask me to do anything that would personalize me to people i dont know other then by my voice. Scamming and bonus rooms are not the problem until it makes someone hurt then selfs or others til then you may not agree with mine bumping or scamming then dont do it. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it a crime"

The fact that Ero 1 and Sohkar are speaking to each other and agreeing the situation has gone way out of hand means something. Needless to say my respect for both of them as human beings has improved over the course of reading about this situation.

PVE MMOs are flawed:

People are naturally competitive, so despite what the game your playing, if your playing an MMO, your competing to do something. Whether it is through direct PVP, raids, collecting in-game items etc.

Open world PVP gives an release, in return players tend to be stronger minded individuals. They expect grief tactics, and can deal with it. PVE gamers are caught off guard. Yes, I am talking about griefers in PVE. Individuals who steal loot or intentionally wipe a group on NPCs are common examples. You can try to police the game all you want, but any sort of misunderstanding or disagreement can turn into something ugly.

I speak of personal experience of where I have seen the most heartache being directed at me. I have destroyed assets belonging to many individuals in Eve, but the biggest reaction I received was from a PVE game of which I asked for banked assets (all of which I donated) to be locked for 3 days, until the group speaks with an individual who has been clearing out the bank. Bank was locked, but when said individual noticed what happened, he lost his pride and what happened next was unbelievable. The situation escalated to where IRL friends (who knew the guy for decades) lost contact with him for months. All over in-game items for leveling characters.

The only way to reduce the player drama element in games is reduce the player interaction, but that doesn't make much for an MMO does it?

Originally posted by bubaluba
What did we get with new expansion? Jump gate animation, It is ok but annoying. Faction battlecruisers are stupid and waste of time. But creme de la creme are racial skills for destroyers and battlecruisers!!! Cmon! Don't we have enough skills for few years and now we need more crappy skills??!! I never said something against Eve but this is most retarded expansion ever and all of this ass kissing players on chat channels are ridiculous. Sorry for my English, i'm so angry on my favorite game that i could crash my keyboard at this moment

They rearranged a number of skills around making them more "sensible". Destroyers were made racial as they were made a prereq for crusiers and BCs were made a prereq for BSs. Most people grab these ships in training anyway but may not need something like frig 4 or cruiser 4 like in the previous system.

Your list of MMOs tried (recently) far exceeds mine. I gave up on STO as the only reason I started to play it was to play with some IRL friends of mine. They slowly dropped and stopped playing together. Other than that I play Eve exclusively. Compared to it, most newer games shallow wastes of time.

Enjoyment in whatever game is dependent on your interest. If you are saying, "let me try something and hopefully it peaks my interest and doesn't suck," then you will not have fun.

To many times I've heard of people gunning for a new game as if it was going to be the savior to their dissatisfaction in games. Often they think that some new game will come out with amazing features that makes it a must-have. I bring up that an existing game with similar features already exist, then I get told that they do not like some insignificant design bug preventing them from playing it. If you are in this camp, stop, take a moment and think what you are doing. There will be NO game to save you from your frustrations. Design bugs are perks, exploits and reminders of the unique nature of the experience you have in the game you are playing.

Eventually, we all are going to give up on gaming altogether or learn to enjoy what offers are out there. My only advise is do what you enjoy, if companies believe that they can remain profitable with the quality that they currently deliver only the test of time will tell who is right... But that isn't something we as gamers should worry about, we are here to have a good time.

Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by MMOExposed

This thread discussion about this huge AAA MMO got me really riled up to make this thread. Because its going no where there.

The main argument I see for why "SLOW" leveling is needed, is because it makes people learn their class.

Well thats a common misconception. What if somebody played one spec while leveling, and switched to a new spec once at max level thats totally different. How would any of that level grinding, develop their skill in using those others specs?

We see this a lot in trinity based games. People level as DPS or something like it, but want to play Healer or Tank at endgame, which is a totally different play style.

Group content is the best way to develop Tanking and Healing skills. Not Leveling.

 

Seem like people also feel that people who dont like grinding, shouldnt play MMOs. Well when did it become set in stone that MMO gamers need to like grinding, and that all MMOs need to be grindy?

I to quit my favorite MMO (rift) during Storm Legion because of the huge level grind. I couldnt bare being locked away from content and features and builds after spending months as a max level already. The Level grind was long and boring killing mobs and mobs, or even Quest and Quest or whatever else in between.

Same thing in GW2. I was bored out my mind trying to level my alts after the big flood of hype wore off. Man that was crazy boring. Events and Hearts just were totally boring for leveling. After my Main got to 80, I refused to do hearts anymore because of how tired I am of Quest Grinding in MMOs. But outside of Hearts there was a hard time gaining consistent leveling exp which also felt slower than it already was with the heart grind.

 

Why do we need levels in MMO anymore?

All they do is lock away players from content.

Its a huge time sink. Prove me wrong!!!!

 

Take any Themepark MMO that has level grind. Now imagine how that game would be if it didnt have level. Everything would be endgame content. Imagine that for a moment. That seem like a better game than they currently are.

 

New MMO games launch with level grind, than when people get to max level, they find out that most of the development resources went into non max level content which become meaningless and outleveled. (SWTOR, Rift, WoW, etc)

But if that same game had no levels to begin with, all that content would be endgame instead of the tiny max level stuff.

Levels Segregate the community.

again Prove me wrong!!

The reason level based MMO's are prefered over Skill Based MMO's is becasue Skill Based MMO's are a bigger time sink than a level based. Prime example of this is EVE Online. In order to get any where in EVE Online you have to spend 2 - 3 years just on leveling skills alone. Where as a game like Rift or Everquest 2 you spend only 4 - 5 months to get to max level. The only exception to this is the Korean or Japanese MMO's like Final Fantasy and Lineage 2.


This is incorrect. I have two characters in the cooker with 3 month skill plan for a specific role (cloak scouts + more). This is considered participating in "end game" There are plenty of things along the way that I could do with these alts, but I decided I do not have the time to do what I wanted to do.

I can have a character doing something in a few days, or a few hours depending the task I want to do. It takes longer for most to figure out WHAT they want to do.

Statement still stands, those games forcing you to level, do not allow you to participate in most groups until you reach the level. Then gear grinds, etc, take over.

Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by KingJiggly
There has never been a golden age of mmos. The golden age will come when an mmo reaches the casual market, similair to how gw2 is doing it. Themeparks are the future, you just need to build on them.

themepark games are not casual lol. Sandbox games are for  casual gamers. Are you sure you know what casual means? Because themeparks are anything but casual. And games use to be casual, just to difficult for some to grasp how to play and needed their hands held.

Themeparks are the definition of casual.... It's a story you follow along, if you only play a bit or all day doesn't matter. You're on a yellow brick road. You can stop playing for months and come back right where you left off. End game is really the only part of a themepark that becomes " hard core "

Sandbox, unless you treat it like a glorified chat room takes a lot of time to get anywhere in. They are not very casual friendly.

Either themeparks or sandboxes can be seen or played as casual. Themeparks, by design require the devs to continously release content to satisfy those who burn through it quickly. What is left is a few players at the top, and hordes of people trying to catch up, and a few left behind playing the game as a single player game. Usually if your not at top you declare yourself casual, despite how much time you invest in the game.

Games that appeal to the causal player will offer them something. At least for me playing an MMO as a single player game is not one of those things. I rather play a single player RPG, which caters better to the experience.

So it is like every other game that allows ganking in one way or other.

But the real question, is why do you feel this way? There are plenty of functional roles a new player, one who had played for a few months can get into. In under 3 months I got into an interceptor, and I still fly frigates half the time even after 4 years. T3 BCs can be amazing sniper boats, but a week old rifter can ruin one of thier days.

What new players lack is experience. There are plenty of ways to take advantage of a PVP situation over older, higher SP players.

Originally posted by MumboJumbo
Minecraft let the cat out of the bag and made developers realise -> interactive object world + player imagination >> graphix + dev static content.

This. There was a gap that hadn't been filled for a long time.

Originally posted by Deleted User
Originally posted by IfrianMMO
Originally posted by DarSepki Also you were beat by a girl.

Care to elaborate?

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

 

I can't wait to find out.

 

*chubs popcorn*

By making money while leveling, and being able to level to CAP. Something you were not able to do.

It is a small thing, I am sure that you do not consider as an achievement. But I do not see deleting my forum account as an achievement either.

Originally posted by MagnusCeleritas
Originally posted by DarSepki

Great post Kyleran!

 

OP has stepped over the line with buying gold. But repeatly claimed his source does not contribute to the problems related to gold buying, stealing accounts, etc. Unless you know the personally, and know thier exact methods, than no they are not trusted.

Pass blame to the high level farmers, and the fact that lower level items go for higher prices. Welcome to inflation. Knowing this problem, isn't it just as easy to sell and work the AH a bit to get the gold that you need. That is if OP is smart enough! Instead lets just assume that the gold is aquired only by those who farm exclusively for it and not by those who play smart with what they have.

Managing your virtual resources IS a part of the game. It may be called grindy or boring, but buying gold is considered cheating and the reason why accounts caught with this activity are banned. To the OP, you have two choices, either play by the rules established by the game (and supported by the community), or as you stated:

...Alt-F4 and unsub: grindy boredom.

It is that simple. Making money is easy, alot easier than the other things that you claimed that you are good at. And it takes far less time that you claim. But if you cannot face these facts, it does not justify for cheating and supporting ruining the game experience.

Making gold as a level 1 is not as easy as you think it is, unless you get to a high level first (preferably max level).

Ironically, the sole reason I buy gold is because I am NOT max level.

 

Could it be that some of us actually prefer the adventure, and DONT want to rush to end game? I rarely have a max level in any game-- do you know why? It's not because I don't play enough. It's because of two reasons: I dont want one, and I have too many alts to have one.

Okay, I lied, in DAoC I had one and it was crazy fun. Getting there was not though. Me and my friend labeled it "Dark Age of Task Dungeons" due to how boring and mind-numbing the grind was to max level. (Back in the beta days of DAoC, I had so many characters on so many realms, I never even came close to max level, so that's why I only did on the classic server- hence the Task Dungeons). And it's kindof a lie, bc I almost had several in WoW. Technically though, I almost never have a max level character. Primarily because I play A LOT of games. Even if I play a ton, I dont play ONE a ton. I always have at least a FPS, a MMO, and a RTS--  and find myself playing browser or console games instead! Hahahahaha....

 

Anything boring is something I don't want to participate in. I do not ruin my game experience, I enhance it.

 

The biggest irony that I taste is that no one knows the vendor I buy gold from, but is so insistent that they are evil. If I were to pay IRL cash to my nephew to harvest gold for me, I swear to all that is holy-- everyone here would insist he is somehow a slave, being forced to stay up all night (by me I guess?) perhaps locked up in my Sociopath basement.

 

Hahahahha, it all fits!

 

I'm a narcissistic Sociopath who is so sociopathic, he locks his enslaved chinese nephew (despite the fact I'm african american and not asian in any way) in my sociopath basement, where he is forced to grind for gold 23/7, with a single hour of sleep. He doesn't eat or drink, as I have an IV for that so he can play. When he dies, I am such a narcissistic genius that I believe I am frankenstein monstering him, making him come back to live. In reality, none of this is real, and I am my nephew, I am chinese, and I dont' even play WoW- I yell at a cardboard box all day and pee in it.

Thanks for proving the point for me, your terrible at making money ingame.

I stopped playing WOW years ago, got too easy. But my wife started a new character at level 1, about a year ago. With no outside assistance, and mearly leveling herself with a gathering profession she made thousands and did not even get to level 80.

The assumptions you make about gold grinding ingame are legendary. Also you were beat by a girl.

MMORPG is no longer being used to describe a genre, it is a buzz word companies are using to for more sales. Pre-Wow, there were no 'mainstream' MMO. Now everybody knows them.

MMOS do not need to die, usage of the buzzword does.

Great post Kyleran!

 

OP has stepped over the line with buying gold. But repeatly claimed his source does not contribute to the problems related to gold buying, stealing accounts, etc. Unless you know the personally, and know thier exact methods, than no they are not trusted.

Pass blame to the high level farmers, and the fact that lower level items go for higher prices. Welcome to inflation. Knowing this problem, isn't it just as easy to sell and work the AH a bit to get the gold that you need. That is if OP is smart enough! Instead lets just assume that the gold is aquired only by those who farm exclusively for it and not by those who play smart with what they have.

Managing your virtual resources IS a part of the game. It may be called grindy or boring, but buying gold is considered cheating and the reason why accounts caught with this activity are banned. To the OP, you have two choices, either play by the rules established by the game (and supported by the community), or as you stated:

...Alt-F4 and unsub: grindy boredom.

It is that simple. Making money is easy, alot easier than the other things that you claimed that you are good at. And it takes far less time that you claim. But if you cannot face these facts, it does not justify for cheating and supporting ruining the game experience.

Part of the issue that must be considered is who the casual may simply be dealing with people that do not understand. That is why would someone have a schedule for an online video game.  Even if it is only 4 hours a week. To some people it would be more acceptable to schedule regular time to watch TV (that could be recorded) than to play a game with other people. I can see the casual simply tagging along whatever friend circle with this mindset, it is less drama for them this way.

My personal group of friends are into gaming, but not so much for online gaming. They are more into going out to eat, go to a movie, or head home and watch something there. If it is a game, it would be played single player. I had spoken to them about my online gaming experiences on several occations, but it was clear that they had no understanding what-so-ever to the concept. Very bright group of people, just they are not wired to this form of entertainment. Fortunally for me, they didn't interfer with my gaming schedule to cause drama, but at the same time my gaming schedule was set arround our regular activities.

Overact much? If a GM was good at their role leading their guild, they will not force members in doing this. Forcing things upon people will make them want to quit. So it would be either, nothing that affects you, or a sign that the guild your in is not a good fit or you.

There is more benifits to what a program like this could bring other than bring or train in new players. It is the first steps to building a community allowing new players to participate. A new player may come into the game without any friends. This service helps them and encourages them to play with other players in instances, PVP etc. Next thing you know they are playing regularly with people they would normally have not. Recruiters can also work with groups like these to idenify potential members for their guilds. A service that blizzard can never provide.

Primary game is Eve

Sometimes I play WoT, and I will finish Skyrim some day!!

Do not give me anything, just don't make the game about obtaining loot. We got so caught up in loot-centric games that permadeath is viewed as a game concept that only mad men who live in caves would suggest. If the game is an MMO, or something of a simlar online experience, the challenge alone should help forge the playerbase.

Originally posted by Shealladh
Originally posted by Soulrift

My offline never-connected-to-the-internet Diablo 2 was perfectly immune to outside hackers.

Agreed, online connection with DRM for a single player game. Blazzard are tools

Blizzard are not tools, as they did well in disigning this money machine. I mean, look at it, not only do they have people pay full price up front but then take cuts when gamers trade virtual properity with each other. Then are fearsely defended by the general fanbase. They are an inspiration to scammers everywhere!

Originally posted by sadeyx

I agree.

Anyone who argues for an 'offline mode'  is simply arguing on behalf of hackers who would pour any amount of resources into exploiting the real money auction.

 

If you want offline mode, either your ignorant or your a hacker.   Either way your not someone who has any crediibility what so ever.

I find this viewpoint to be extermely ignorant

One of the reasons I choose not to buy the game is the whole always online crap. I looked as playing diablo as a secondary game, rather than my primary mmo. That means, playing on the road where I may not have a stable internet connection. OP explains his case where he considers it as a multiplayer game first.

There are other ways to have a DRM without forcing players to always be connected.

Hacking really only has one factor to be sucessful is determination. For what blizard had done, create a game which was previously a singleplayer with a multiplayer option, to a multiplayer game with a legal means to extract money from it. There are hackers that will continuously attempt to target this. This is the only goal of hackers that you identified. The other goal would be to make the game playable in the way they see fit. By this I mean removing this requirement for those who want just the single player.

Fact is, since blizard decided release the game like this, it only encourages hackers. The viewpoint that anyone wanting an offline mode supports hackers is ignorant of the fact that developers could, and should have released an offline mode to feed this demand. There were different ways to handle this.

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