Just havinng an appropriately sized sample pool does not automatically make the poll an accurate representation. Take a political poll in the US that polls on a certain topic. If all of thier sample is in the same area in NYC it will have an entirely different outcome than the same sampling size from rural OK. The same is true with Xfire. True, you may have a decent sized polling group, but if all of the people who use Xfire have a particualr taste in games compared to those that do not use it, then you sample will be biased from the start.

Me, I dont use xfire, but I have been gaming since before the internet was born (yes I was gaming off tapes on PCs that didnt even have graphics yet, let alone a modem to connect to an internet).

Originally posted by Sluske

Ok, lets set the stage for you Kaiser, I am an Engineer by trade. I am the guy that keeps your internet working, the backbone of your gaming world. I know FAR more than you do on what causes the lag in these games than MOST on the planet, I have been doing this since the internet was invented (yes I am that old). I do know what causes lag and what is slow performance on my own PC (there is by the way NO performance issues on my own PC, my bet is you, your mommy and your daddy combined couldnt even afford to buy what I have in my home office and play my games on). So lets cut the bullshit friend shall we. You are having a bad day because your game of choice is not perfoming to the 100% specs you thought it should be and everyone is seeing it. Dont come on here calling everyone a liar because you are having a bad day. Personally I think everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE on these forums has been VERY patient with you and YOUR attitude in the past couple of hours. But that patients is starting to run VERY thin with some of us. Cut it out, go shopping, go watch TV, go do something, ANYTHING that will get you away from your current anger issues, because I for one am at my ropes end just reading the trash you are dumping out of your lips on here.

You dont know me, dont assume you do. You have no right to do so. And yes I am taking this personally, you swung the first attack against me to help further your trash comments against others. Sorry to burst your bubble bud, but I am not the kind to sit idly by and just take it. TIme for you to shut up. My comments were a reflection of my own personal experience and the knowledge gathered from reading EVERY SINGLE POST ON THESE FORUMS IN THE PAST 2 HOURS. Combine that with the phone conference I have up right now with 9 of my player friends from around the world telling me what they too have experienced so far.

My dad is stronger then your dad.

Hahaha!! Sorry bout that one, seriously, this dude just got under my skin assumin WAY too much. I'll behave now.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by ScribZ

Funny thing hind site is huh. At this time on the GW2 launch, no crashes (can't tell, can't log in), no queue times (can't get past the login server to get into a queue if they had them), just log in and play with a good connection (those that did get in earlier to snag a server slot and make characters were met with tons of lag, some got disconnected it was so bad). Oh and last but not least, couldnt' get in until all of our names were gone (I got in 14 minutes after 0:00 PST headstart launch time, all but 4 servers were already full, and the one I did get on.....6 of my 10 desired names were already taken - and since your stuck with the server you pick BEFORE you can see if all your names are gone, you have NO choice but to take whats left or make new ones).

 

So to quote your OP....That's no way to start a launch....................

Yet another example of what im talking about. The part in red is the type of stuff im talking about. "I" had lag, automatically = everyone had lag to some of you. I personally had no lag at all on my end on Sanctum of Rall. But those who did have lag (or in some cases dont know the differenc ebetween laga nd slow performance on their own PC), automatically assume every player in the game is having the same issue they are.

Also gotta love the whole "someone took my name" thing and throwing it in with technical issues as if it is Anets fault you couldnt come up with something less generic.

Ok, lets set the stage for you Kaiser, I am an Engineer by trade. I am the guy that keeps your internet working, the backbone of your gaming world. I know FAR more than you do on what causes the lag in these games than MOST on the planet, I have been doing this since the internet was invented (yes I am that old). I do know what causes lag and what is slow performance on my own PC (there is by the way NO performance issues on my own PC, my bet is you, your mommy and your daddy combined couldnt even afford to buy what I have in my home office and play my games on). So lets cut the bullshit friend shall we. You are having a bad day because your game of choice is not perfoming to the 100% specs you thought it should be and everyone is seeing it. Dont come on here calling everyone a liar because you are having a bad day. Personally I think everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE on these forums has been VERY patient with you and YOUR attitude in the past couple of hours. But that patients is starting to run VERY thin with some of us. Cut it out, go shopping, go watch TV, go do something, ANYTHING that will get you away from your current anger issues, because I for one am at my ropes end just reading the trash you are dumping out of your lips on here.

You dont know me, dont assume you do. You have no right to do so. And yes I am taking this personally, you swung the first attack against me to help further your trash comments against others. Sorry to burst your bubble bud, but I am not the kind to sit idly by and just take it. TIme for you to shut up. My comments were a reflection of my own personal experience and the knowledge gathered from reading EVERY SINGLE POST ON THESE FORUMS IN THE PAST 2 HOURS. Combine that with the phone conference I have up right now with 9 of my player friends from around the world telling me what they too have experienced so far.

Originally posted by Mors-Subita

Originally posted by FlawSGI
Man the sense of entitlement is hysterical. The games been up for 9 hours now and I played for 5 of them earlier before getting off for sleep and I pop in to see someone claiming this is the worst launch of 2012? I won't claim it was a perfect start because I wasn't able to join up with the wife when she was on, but lets try to keep the rage to a rational level. I don't know how long the game has been busted, but I know I got plenty of playtime and it was sweet. 

Yup... I remember when wow started... Anyone else remember not being able to kill the boars cause of lag, or waiting as much as an hour for your quest mob cause other people were camping it? Not to mention the constant disconnects, guild and party problems, lag...

I remember wackin on a node of copper, bending over to pick it up and never standing up again, never getting the ore, and then never being able to loot anything else until I logged out and back in again. This didnt just happen the first day of WoW launch either, it continued for near a month. But that was ok, since we had so many days of not even being able to stay connected that Blizz gave us all free months to hang around so they had time to fix stuff.

Originally posted by Syno23

Smooth launches. Think about it.

SW:TOR we had the queue times and couldn't get in until all of our names were taken. That's no way to start a launch. In waves, yeah right. Most launches like Warhammer and Age of Conan were terrible. MMO launches are bad.

But GW2 has tested their servers weeks and days in advance in order to make sure that they will have the perfect launch. No crashes, no queue times, just log in and play with a good connection, that's all.

Funny thing hind site is huh. At this time on the GW2 launch, no crashes (can't tell, can't log in), no queue times (can't get past the login server to get into a queue if they had them), just log in and play with a good connection (those that did get in earlier to snag a server slot and make characters were met with tons of lag, some got disconnected it was so bad). Oh and last but not least, couldnt' get in until all of our names were gone (I got in 14 minutes after 0:00 PST headstart launch time, all but 4 servers were already full, and the one I did get on.....6 of my 10 desired names were already taken - and since your stuck with the server you pick BEFORE you can see if all your names are gone, you have NO choice but to take whats left or make new ones).

So to quote your OP....That's no way to start a launch....................

Originally posted by Praetalus
This ain't smooth. I can't play. Judging from this site... lot's of folks can't play. 

When I logged in about 5 hours ago there were only 4 servers that were not listed as full, only 4 I could even make my home server. I picked one and snatched my 5 names then logged out of the game. I tried logging back in moments later to play one of them and got the login server not up issue. It wouldn't surprise me if they manually turned down the login server to new players while they add more servers to the list, thereby keeping people out until they are ready for them. There may in fact be people playing right this moment who logged in while they had it up. Has anyone seen a login queue yet? If not I'm gonna bet on them taking the login server offline to control the wave.

Originally posted by cooper85

Originally posted by Irus

Originally posted by waynejr2

3 of 5 starting areas are done, so 60% ready?

The starting area are more or less done already, they are just not making them available in the BWE's...

What is the long term plan?  What do I do month after month after reaching cap?  What will keep it fresh?

The game is not designed around reaching the level cap, the game is supposed to start at level 1. There should be enough content for most people to not be able to finish it before an expansion comes around. I'm not sure what you mean by "fresh".

 

I've heard of people in their 50's just after 2 weekends. People will be capped and capped soon. If there is nothign at cap, they may have the same problems as swtor. IMO.

Anyone who goes into GW2 planning on 'leveling up' with the goal of reaching cap is an utter fool. It really is that simple. It has been stated time after time that GW2 does NOT have an END GAME. So why anyone would try and push thier leveling experience is just crazy dumb. By the time you hit 30 of 80 you have all your quickbar slots open, and if you did something besides race for XP, you probably already have a really good set of traits and skills to work with.

Originally posted by DarkDemon69

Originally posted by fldash

LOL. Then they weren't very good testers... The whole reason they are CD participants is so they can experience the bugs, report them, and hopefully Funcom can get them fixed by the weekend events...

A lot have quit because the devs have straight up told people they arent fixing these bugs. The devs are rude to people who point out bugs, ya people want to test for people who ignore the players.

Are they actual bugs they wont listen to the CB testers on, or is it crap the testers FEEL the game SHOULD be like and demanding FUNCOM change it to please them? I only ask because I have been in over 10 closed Beta and Alpha testings over the past 3-4 years, and the forums are usually trashed by people who think thier vision is more important than the vision of the game writers themselves. And then they get all kinds of mad if the devs dont do what they want, which of course they refer to as bugs, just to try and get support to go against the game later.

The first BWE I tried them all but the elementalist, none of them stuck with me at all. The second BWE I decided to go back and try a few of them out again, but with different playstyles. And I finally found my match, a ranger. But dont get confused here, I played the first BWE on the ranger for 15 levels and it was like pulling teeth boring as all get out with ranged and pet play style.

So to change it up in this BWE I gave her a two handed sword on one set and a single handed sword with a horn on the other set. You talk about fast moving, tons of fun, especially if you can get really good at swapping weapon sets with the cooldowns in combat. Flying into combat from a distance, tossing out AoE swings from the big sword when needed, dodging all around your apponent when single, in and out of range to them, attack/recharge speed boosts, confusion like you can't imagine to your opponent in WvW.

If you haven't found a class you like, do yourself a favor and go back to them. Pick something different on the weapon sets, try each out to see what they do, you might just find a combo you love.

Originally posted by fallenlords

Originally posted by Kaocan

Lets make is simple for you. TSW has a class, A class, thats it. EVERYONE is that class. At the end of the day, EVERYONE will be everything that everyone else will be in that single class. In order for there to be a Class system in a game, there has to be MORE than a single class. TO be one and only one makes it a classless system.

As for the Levels it is the same thing, there is but a single level in this game for character leveling. One, and only one. You can't have a leveling system if there is only ONE which everyone starts and ends in. This makes it a leveless game. 

It does however have progression, character progression in skills. You do progess in skill level. So this is a skill based game. 

Unless I am mistaken, that is exactly what they have advertised this game as. A Classless, Leveless, Skill based MMO.

 

Everybody isn't the same class.  Class refers to the job or profession of a character.  The role of a class is normally defined.  Here what people can define what sort of profession they want to fit into whatever role they want to play.   But there is nothing to stop two people having the same class in TSW.  They just have to follow the same build.

 

Skill based progression, is a form of level based progression just utilising skills.  You don't start with every skill available. 

 

So overall this game isn't classless and isn't leveless. It's offers no innovation just the same old crap done a different way.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but isnt it safe to say that everyone, eventually, will complete the skill wheel in its entirety? And if they complete it, they are in fact able to fill any role that is needed in any situation? Everyone can at that point be said to be of every role, or every class as you put it. So how can you say they are not of the same class if they are in fact able to be everything at any time they wish?

I see where you are coming from, assuming that the build people chose for any given moment would be thier class, but isn't that being just a bit naive? Assuming that if a person is walking around with a hammer in thier hands that they are a tank? You would be wrong if you thought that of my character with a hammer out.

In the end though, I would have to agree with the other dude here. If everyone can and will eventually be everything, all inclusive, then there isnt a class system at all. There may be a role system, as in you 'fill a role' in a team, but there are no defined 'classes' at all in TSW. Oh, there are definaed Decks in TSW, maybe thats what has you confused and thinking there are classes, those aren't classes though, those are recommended builds that perform a certain role.

I dont know what everyone is so worried about. This game, like every other one in existance, will have farmers in it that will be happy to sell you gold at a nice and cheap 'YU BUY!' rate. And...there will be plenty of people playing it who will do exactly that. You dont have to worry about those buying gems to trade for gold, that will cost too much RL cash when they WILL have the alternative available.

If I remember correctly, they are following the same BETA structure they did for GW1. You got a single weekend ever month for several months, up until launch. You didnt get continuous play time, you got ONE weekend a month. I would expect to see the same thing here in GW2.

Originally posted by BartDaCat

While I see all of you as my Diablo III comrades in arms, I must admit, I really hate all of you right now.  WTF was I thinking, pre-ordering through Best Buy for a few measley Reward Zone points?

Oh...I honestly feel very sorry for you. After sooo many games pre-ordered via Best Buy, and then havng to double purchase from someplace else days later just to play by the 3rd day, I gave up on Best Buy a while ago. Nothing, and I mean nothing they can offer in Reward Zone can make up for the stress they will put you through to get what you payed for when you SHOULD have it in your hands but dont.

Originally posted by Theocritus

     Whats funny is I cant tell an Illuminati from a Dragon from a TEmplar....The character creations were the same for all and so were the clothing options......At least make them have different nationalities or something.....At least in fantasy games I can tell a dwarf from an elf from an ogre.

You can make Illuminati and Dragon in this Beta Weekend?? Strange, I thought this Beta Weekend was just Templar.

Oh and for those that can not read on the patcher, or click the link and readon the Funcom site, I'll put it here for everyone who can't read to read again.

Important Information

Please keep in mind that the version of The Secret World you will be playing this Beta Weekend is not the final version of the game. Several features and elements are continuously being tweaked and parts of the game will be significantly improved before launch. The most important of these are the following:

 

• Character creation will be improved and expanded for launch, with more customization options added for both appearance and clothing. There will also be some changes to the GUI and to the background scenes
   
• Only the London hub and the Kingsmouth adventure zone are playable during this Beta Weekend, representing a small part of the total content in the game
   
• The performance of the game is continuously being optimized and there will be several improvements before launch
   
• We are constantly tweaking and polishing player abilities, both in terms of adding more utility, changing effects and animations, and for balance purposes
   
• The current tutorial system has been created for the Beta Weekends, and will be significantly changed for launch

Originally posted by GreenHell

Originally posted by ScribZ

True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.

What exactly amazes you about this? Why would I or anyone else need to be scammed by the quick cash grab of a LTS to know it is a scam? Why do I have to waste my money when there are plenty of people like you for me to learn from? A wise man learns from other peoples mistakes, a fool learns from his own.

I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too.

Are those "perks" what you signed up for? Did you pay for the LTS knowing your game was going to go f2P? No you got mislead and now you just have to be thankful you get anything from the money you spent. Those "perks" are just to shut you up and hope you never see that you got taken.

You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.

I am really suprised someone like you who has been taken for a ride with the LTS not once but twice could have the balls to use the word unenlightened. As the saying goes a fool and his money are soon parted. Ask yourself this question...why didn't Blizz ever offer a lifetime sub? The most popular MMO of all time has never offered one. Why is that? The answer is fairly simple. There is no long term money to be made in offering one. It is a quick cash grab to help boost your intial sales. It is a pretty dirty trick that people will fall for because they are blinded by their own hype of the game. LTS always equals f2p. They will take your money and at some point down the road it will go f2P and you will tell yourself that its great because you get some "perks".

As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.

You come across as someone who is desperate to defend the money you have spent on games that have LTS and have gone F2P. Did you use all of your "logical evaluation" on those other game that went F2P. Did you ever say to yourself "I cant wait until my LTS is downgraded to a few perks"

To call people unenlightened, cheap and ignorant because they can see through the scam seems pretty foolish. If you can not see a quick money grab for what it is what else really needs to be said? This industry has the only customers I know of that asked to be raped over and over again. People give more crap to McDonalds employees for screwing up a 2 dollar order than they do a developer for purposly misleading them out of hundreds of dollars. It is truly amazing.

 

 

Well let me just respond to your post with a simple statement. It should make everything you have stated up there in green pretty worthless.

I purchased a LTS for LoTRO when it first was offered at $199. I have been playing that game ever since without a single monthly sub payment. At it's normal monthly sub cost of $14.99, from April 2007 until it went Freemium on June 2010 its equivalent cost to me was $5.26 for each of the 38 months. And once it went Freemium, I recieve 500 Turbine points for free which I can spend in thier cash shop, which comes to to approximately $6.50 each month if I had to buy them myself. These 500 free points I have recieved every month since June 2010, so currently thats 24 months. SO if we do the math, thats basically $156 of free cash shop items for the game I play all the time for free.

So to answer your green posts I will use all that nice truthful data to give you my response. No, I was not scammed in the least by LoTRO by purchasing my LTS. As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed playing it for 5 years now, all at a total cost to me of $199 dollars. And of that $199 I have already recieved $156 of it back in money I didnt have to spend in the cash shop to coninue playing it. 5 years, thats 60 months, all for $199. $3.31 per month if I payed a regular sub for the same total value, $5.91 a month if I payed for the sub and all the free cash shop items they gave me.

If this is what you call being scammed......really. Raped by some money grab scam?? REALLY??? Sorry, but I stick by my previous comments. If you can't understand cold hard facts like these then there is nothing anyone can do to change your mind. You go right ahead and make a point about not spending $140 on the LTS for this game. Spend your $14.95 a month for it instead, and at the end of 10 months, when your starting to pay more than me if I go LTS, come back here then and tell us all how you were the wise one. Because thats all a LTS costs here, $140, and you WILL spend more going month to month after just 10 months of playing without one.

Oh and lets look at those wisest of wise, Blizzard. Do you know why they never offered a LTS for WoW??? Do You??? It is because they would have lost money by doing so. The players win out on a LTS if they play the game long enough. Sure the company gets the money up front, but you save in the long run by purchasing it.

Originally posted by GreenHell

Originally posted by Theocritus

     Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.

I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?

 

True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.

I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too. You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.

As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Thane

seriously, why should we care? ^^

cancel whatever you want, it's a free world

I do.

I would have loved to know his reasons and what his problems with the game were.

That was nice of you to give him your permission. I'm sure that is a load off his mind. Whew.

Not exactly sure why you would care what the OPs reasons were to be honest. Nothiing about his posts says anything but hater and/or troll. Do you know one of them on these forums that actually tells 100% truth? Because I don't. And if you are somehow expecting a realistic, turthful, well thought out explination of a games finer points, good or bad, from a hater/troll...I would think you to be very naive.