Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Rednecksith
A lot of F2P games use Pando, which is sad b/c the program is practically a virus. Luckily, several F2P companies also provide torrent downloads as an alternative. AFAIK Turbine doesn't however.

The hilarity ensues.  I don't like it either, but a virus?  srlsly?  It's a p2p torrent service.  Although the riaa and mpaa would definitely agree with you that p2p file sharing is a virus.

Yeah I noticed the "virus" reference too, I laughed.

Well, it may not be intended to be a virus but the fact of the matter is that it is a huge resource hog and is pretty much the equivilant to malware on lower end systems. Rednecksith is actually correct in his statement.

Originally posted by Kerms

On average how many hotkeys does a maxed lvl character find themselves using? In videos I have seen it seems like people have so many skills binded that one would get completely lost.  

Am i just seeing this wrong or whats going on.  If someone could inform me I would much appreciate it.

 

-Thanks

I had Q,E,R,F,G,1,2,3,4,5,6,7, Shift 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 Ctrl 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, middle mouse and caps lock. Ya, it is quite ridiculous but it made me really good, especially at games that have like 10 keybinds.

Originally posted by fat_taddler

ANet has put themselves in an interesting dilemma.   Do they continue to add new tiers of gear for PvE and PvP to give players a proverbial carrot or do they cap stats and make all gear purely cosmetic after a certain point (as originally intended).

Seems to me that ANet is pretty much screwed either way.   On the one hand, many  GW2 purists (for lack of a better word) would be upset if ANet introduced tiered gear sets with significant stat increases.

On the other hand, we're seeing more and more players leaving due to lack of meaningful progression once they hit 80.

 

For those that believe stat based gear progression has no place in GW2, do you believe that ANet can continue to introduce creative and challenging PvE content based on the current item stats?   If so, at what point does the ratio of challenge vs. reward cause many players to stop trying?  

 

For those that believe that GW2 needs meaningful gear progression based on stats, what (if anything) would set GW2 apart from games like WoW or Rift which clearly offer more in terms of end-game, gear based progression?

 

 

 

 

 

This game isnt sub based. Let them leave and come back for the expansion.

Originally posted by bunzaga

 

I had the opportunity to run a 150+ member guild web site, as well as a hundreds of member community site (for a short duration), and all I can say, is I would rather have them be hypocrites, and ban or suspend people for being shit heads, than be like other sites, which allow all kinds of trolling and political bull crap go on the forums.

So I can't say the F word on the forums, and they can in their videos... who cares?  I don't cuss around my mom, but I do in front of my friends...  does that make me a hypocrite?  We have forum rules for a reason, and if you are getting banned or suspended, perhaps you should put more effort into monitoring your own behavior, before worrying about other peoples.

And yet I have seen people get suspended JUST for posting something similar to what you just posted.

Originally posted by BartDaCat

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey Epicent!

I'll gladly chime in.  But Mike Bitton will have to as well, if I don't cover it well enough.  

Essentially, the site's split into three parts:

1.) Editorial Content - My job to spearhead

2.) Community Management - Mike Bitton's job to spearhead

3.) Advertising - Separate from the other two, and run by the site's ownership

 

I can only comment on the part of the site that is my wheelhouse, and I'll gladly take and react to criticisms about our editorial content.  I do apologize for dropping the F-word. MMOFTW Live is a new show, under the premise of friends/colleagues talking out the issues of the week in a relaxed and jovial atmosphere.  That said, you won't hear F-bombs on ESPN or Good Morning America, and while we're nowhere near that kind of outlet I'll do my best to reign in the cursing... perhaps by drinking more coffee before recording.

In terms of community management and forum moderation, you'll want to hear from Mike Bitton. That's his area, what he's actually gone to college for, and where I kindly leave all decisions to him. There is a method to his madness, but editorial and community are two separately run entities.

I hope this helps clear it up, at least partially!

And thank you for participating in the discussion, Bill.  It is appreciated, especially when you are receptive to the concerns of your viewership.

 

There is a concern about the equalization, or lack thereof, of the way our-- the user's-- commentary is monitored and what I have occasionally seen or read in the comments of contributors.

 

It gets frustrating when a certain tone is set, and we're under the impression that there is a bit more leeway in the way we toss around "smack talk", then come to find out we're slapped with a suspension or warning for basically mimicking the same tones we've witnessed by contributors.

 

As an example, there were some incendiary posts written by (a contributor's name I won't mention) a while back that were pretty inflammatory.  One of them even encouraged participation from the community... basically asking for a list of slanderous nicknames and insulting descriptions for various types of forum posters.  All in the spirit of good-humored joking and fun, I'm sure.

 

Next thing I know, that same behavior was being cracked down upon to an excessive level on the forums when it was members of the community saying similar remarks.

 

It's not that we don't like smack talk, or can't relate to the ideas being expressed, it's a matter of consistency across the board.

I guess we will have to wait and see if Mike Bitton chimes in.

[mod edit]

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey Epicent!

I'll gladly chime in.  But Mike Bitton will have to as well, if I don't cover it well enough.  

Essentially, the site's split into three parts:

1.) Editorial Content - My job to spearhead

2.) Community Management - Mike Bitton's job to spearhead

3.) Advertising - Separate from the other two, and run by the site's ownership

 

I can only comment on the part of the site that is my wheelhouse, and I'll gladly take and react to criticisms about our editorial content.  I do apologize for dropping the F-word. MMOFTW Live is a new show, under the premise of friends/colleagues talking out the issues of the week in a relaxed and jovial atmosphere.  That said, you won't hear F-bombs on ESPN or Good Morning America, and while we're nowhere near that kind of outlet I'll do my best to reign in the cursing... perhaps by drinking more coffee before recording.

In terms of community management and forum moderation, you'll want to hear from Mike Bitton. That's his area, what he's actually gone to college for, and where I kindly leave all decisions to him. There is a method to his madness, but editorial and community are two separately run entities.

I hope this helps clear it up, at least partially!

Appreciate the response BIll. FIrst off I'd like to say I think you do a commendable job with MMOFTW among other things. I actually think the direction you are going with those is the direction the site should go in. Also, its not my intention to have you feel as if you should censor yourself. I wouldn't change a thing about the way the videos are done. I would actually like to see a bit more tolerance on the forums. I'm not saying let the trolls run wild by any means. I'm just saying don't make people feel like they can't express theyre opinions or debate each other effectively due to fear from a ban hammer.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Epicent

Agreed Bart. The thing that struck a nerve with me was getting suspended for doing the exact same thing as they did in the video. Yet again, I don't have a problem with it but if you can do it then your readers should also be able to mimic that behavior without fear of reprecusion. And as Bill himself said in that very video he feels as if companies should be called out on stuff like this.

 

I wouldn't compare MMOFTW with the forum moderation. The former is done by professionals who know the crowd and how to play to them, and the latter is... something other than that. I don't think it's intentionally hypocritical.

 

It may very well be unintentional. That doesn't necessarily mean it should go unchecked.

Originally posted by BartDaCat

You make a valid point.  If a site is attempting to display a certain level of decorum in order to attract new advertising dollars, then there should be a bit more level-headed temperament when moderating your user-base-- especially if you expect a modicum of respect from your users but go against the very policies you set forth to restrict their expressions.  It sets a poor example.

 

I haven't watched MMOFTW 5 yet, primarily because I was turned off by similar behavior briefly being displayed in MMOFTW 4 during their discussion of WoW.

 

I no longer play WoW, but I sympathize with any fans of WoW that might have felt slightly uncomfortable or insulted by some of the comments being carelessly thrown about during that discussion.

 

Personal time is personal time.  If that's the way you talk with your friends during personal time that's something else entirely, but when you're creating something with the intention of using it as a public feature on your website, try to keep it somewhat professional and try to keep your user-base in mind.

Agreed Bart. The thing that struck a nerve with me was getting suspended for doing the exact same thing as they did in the video. Yet again, I don't have a problem with it but if you can do it then your readers should also be able to mimic that behavior without fear of reprecusion. And as Bill himself said in that very video he feels as if companies should be called out on stuff like this.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Epicent

I've seen people get suspended for using lesser words than the f bomb about a game.........not even a person. I agree, they act as me and my friends do, I just think it would serve them better to lax up a bit.

You can always contest it. Regardless the mod that takes action against you MikeB seems fairly resonable most times in his view when he reviews it.

Long as it isn't related to SWTOR.

>_>

No, I'm not defending my actions. While I didnt do anything horrible it is still the call of the mods to make. I'm just saying it is hypocritical. Perhaps they should hire more competant mods?

Originally posted by AwDiddums

I watched it and tbh with you they came across as any gamer does, they reacted to news articles how I know my own gaming friends would react, they talked in very much the same manner as me and my friends do when it comes to games, so no I don't believe they crossed the line anywhere in that live session.

As for strict moderation, well I've not seen it prevelant on the site and I've seen alot of posts that I think deserve some moderation but have gone unchecked.

Some posters may claim to be victimised but thats just their side of events, 2 sides to every story and as with so much info posted here we never get all of the facts, just what the poster wants you to read.

 

 

 

 

I've seen people get suspended for using lesser words than the f bomb about a game.........not even a person. I agree, they act as me and my friends do, I just think it would serve them better to lax up a bit.

Edit (Yes I am one of the people that supported square enix. I thought what they were trying to do would make the game reedemable and as I am not hurting for money I subbed. I looked at it more like an investment for a game that I will play when it is finally finished. Does that make it okay for them to insult me as I have been suspended for insulting fans of other games before? Not sure how thats okay.)

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

This won't go well for you.

I don't think they're hypocrites though. Moderators have changed over the years. Some are reasonable. Some are cool. Some have been out of control on what they moderate for a number of reasons. Happens on any forum though.

 

Im just telling it how it is my man. If they ban me for it or suspend me they only serve to reinterate my point.

I watched the full MMORPG live 5 video. Approximately 1 hour long. After I watched it I thought about how strict this site has become. Ive been a member for a few years now and I have gotten suspensions for VERY trivial things, yet in the video you see blaten insults too ff14 players as well as the F bomb dropped by Bill himself..........now I'm not against any of this......as I think the site was better when it was more lax. However I do feel like to hold yourself to lesser standards than your fans is hypocritical and immature.  What do you guys think?

Edit: Just to be clear, this is not a troll or attack of any kind. I would really like a mature response on this issue from someone on the sites payroll. Preferably Bill. I would also like to state that I am a huge fan and supporter of the site and I hope me expressing my views on what I consider a serious issue doesn't go overlooked or become misconstrued. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by TemperHoof

I'm willing to entertain a new server, just because I want to experience it fresh. If I can, I'll try to important my old character to whatever server I choose to benefit from it's presence if there are too many timers.

As for guilds and such, I'm always available on Skype ( loltemperwolf ) if anyone wants to chat about that. ^^ I dont have any guilds yet, and nor do I really aim to run one -- but I wouldn't mind being an asset.

I am going to be away this weekend but I will get up with you Monday either on here or Skype. Anyone else reading this feel free to join us. Just hit me up and I'll let you know when the website and teamspeak are up. Should only be a couple of days

Originally posted by TemperHoof
I will see my fellow Legacy Players come Beta 1. :) I look forward to it.

I also look forward too it? does anyone have a guild already? Are you guys rolling on an "old" or "new" server? i am thinking of making a guild website for a "new" server and going ahead and renting a teamspeak or ventrilo server.