99% por cent of the gankers only hunt in packs.

They're so hardcore they can only kill when outnumbering, outgearing and so on.

It's sad, but this kind of games always revolve around a bunch of guys that say they're hardcore but never venture anywhere alone.

I disagree...

Most people avoided the actual point of the post but i'll get on with it.

Most MMO Communities are awfull, specially in this day and age where manners are seen as being an easy target to troll.

MMOers hate other MMOers, this is just a given, people will public harass and try on purpose to destroy other peoples fun.

It's alot of different factors that lead to this, but overall is just that people are ruder in this day and age, and it's "cool" to be so.

Originally posted by Krytycal
Burning out in a game for playing it too much and rushing to the level cap (which is what you refer to in your post), is not the same as MMO burnout. The latter refers to players who are burned on the endless list of all-too-familar generic fantasy MMOs that have plagued the industry for the last decade. This group of players often don't even make it past the low levels before they quit.

But isn't the new generation of players that rush to max level and complain about whatever features the game have, also a type of burnouts?

If you're rushing everything in order to try to find some kind of thrill, isn't that a sympton of being burned out?

It rather not discuss semantics though, definitions of burnout are not important to this debate, what's important is the effect of burned out players / rushers / carrot on the stick addicts a problem to genre?

It's in the GW2 forums because i'm playing GW2 and i see it everytime i log on or check a forum.

There's a dude in my guild that leveled to 80 in 4 days, all he does is whine that glory should be faster to earn, that there's no content for him and so on.

Like my 1st paragraph states, this is about all new mmo and i'm ok if you report it to get changed to general.

What really baffles me is that no one is actually answering to the thread...just bypassing the idea and attacking it in other ways.

Originally posted by Lorkii
When I read "today's games are better" thats all it took to realize this is a joke thread.

Imagine that your favorite games are released today and played by todays community, do you really believe it would be the same experience?

Just to state a few things to the new generation of gamers that are posting here.

FPS games will never be about progression, that's a new thing that developers designed to the new generation that plays exclusively for the carrot on a stick, or for games that thrive from cash shops.

FPS are about easy, fast sessions where you are set on a mostly leveled playing field.

PvP gear progression in non-subscription games doesn't make any sense, it only promotes the spending of time, and that is why most MMOs had it, more time = more cash.

I'm writing this in GW2 forums but it actually applies to all new games.

Are MMO burnouts destroying the genre?

In my opinion, yes.

On the 1st MMOs players actually looked for fun activities, finding new things, learning and overall having a fun free time activity.

In the last years alot more players have learned MMO mechanics and playing stopped being about having fun and became an endless job to "beat the game", "be the l33t" and so on.

People power gamer to maximum level in for 4 or 5 days, trying at all times to get "faster better points" instead of a better gaming experience, people would rather lose in pvp if it gives them more points, people would rather bypass fun content if grinding gives them more experience or loot, exploit rather then earning, complain instead of trying harder...

In the last few days i've read all of the above and it made me quite sad, not for playing GW2 (i'm having a blast with the game) but with the MMO community.

Todays games are better designed (for the most part), it's just the community and players that are worst.

There's just too many burnouts, people that hate MMOs now but play them to either "beat the game" or try to find the initial rush their 1st mmo gave them.

/flame away.

OP.

You are burned out from MMORPGs.

Try a different genre.

Dear OP.

Turn ON NPC names.

Click named NPCs and check the surroundings, start Events.

People that wait for events will always get bored.

Honestly, what's wrong with most MMOs is quite simple.

Customers are wrong and they make everything worse (not removing any part of the problem that are the development and marketing teams).

We, the mmogamers, are the ones to blame for most of the problems with the genre, asandbox hardcore blame the casuals, the raiders blame the pvpers, the pvpers blame the carebears and so on and so forth.

The MMO community is just awful.

At the moment i'm on a guild with over 50 people.

I asked what the general idea was about the game, except for lag issues and people not liking overflows /  EB queues, everyone said the game was way better then they anticipated.

So i guess, it overstates the hype for some people.

All of your 5 dollars?

Madness.

Don't bet money on MMOs my friend, people should know better by now.

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by DaezAster
Graphics are fine to me. The more you put in graphically the more computer you need so it's all a trade off. In my experience so far the game looks and runs great, minus the last stress test that is. 

This may actually turn out to be an issue for them. One of the big reasons WoW was so successful is that it ran on very low end machines. GW2 takes a mid grade machine to be playable at decent settings. I think that a lot of the non traditional PC players who only play WoW on the PC and play the rest of their games on a console will be upset when this doesn't perform like WoW did. With the economy the way it is, upgrading is probably not an option for a lot of those people.

I find that it is the exact opposite.

GW2 runs quite ok on low end and people are quite happy with it.

Most whiners have high end machines and expected Crysis like graphics.

Originally posted by WabbaWay

Originally posted by Rivalen

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

"ooooooh people are critising the game I like, it makes me rage"

Does this really warrant a thread?  People have a right to be as critical as they like

 

Doesn't being critical of critics enter your definition too?

 

 

Yes, we're just being critical about you being critical of critics. 

Now that's just overpowered, you can't stack critical like that.

Damn min/maxers...

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

"ooooooh people are critising the game I like, it makes me rage"

Does this really warrant a thread?  People have a right to be as critical as they like

Doesn't being critical of critics enter your definition too?

There's honestly too many people that expect GW2 to be a mix of Crysis, WoW and whatever other game they like.

I found literally people that didn't actually play during the stress test and only theorycrafted builds for PvP and then went on to rage to forums about how the class they like was nerfed, or people that spend over one hour in chats telling that the game didn't run at over 80 fps so it's a piss of crap, and so on...

Some people simply use MMOs to whine, i try to ignore them.

Simple questions:

How did you get the job?

Did it pay well?

Are you playing any other MMOs?

Originally posted by WabbaWay
No. No endgame. If you need a goal like "have the best gear in the game" then you will not like GW2, there is nothing good or bad about it, that's just the way it is - it's completely fine that you want / need a geargrind to find a MMO game interesting longterm, GW2 is not for you and it's just that simple. You should stick with WoW, I'm not trying to be offensive btw.

You're right and wrong.

Right, because people that look for endgame to get a gear advantage over others won't like this game.

Wrong, because there's gear objectives and acomplishments, and the hardcore players will achieve to get the ultimate gear set avaliable.