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Originally posted by screecwe
This game absolutely will be an MMO. You're playing with hundreds of thousands of people at the same time 

By your own definition this is not the case as you will be put into 60-100 player clusters.

I put 200 hours in to final fantasy 7 in my youth, Today games are rated at 15-20 hour 'campaigns'.

The depth is just not there anymore.


Originally posted by zach_b
What type of game are you looking for? It doesn't sound like you want anything that involves MMO or RPG as both are heavily and traditionally quest based.

That's not what defines an rpg.

Base game is fine, There isn't anything in the shop that's worth your time imo.


Originally posted by ArcheAge2014

Originally posted by Kyleran I thought the OP was an attempt at sarcasm, but after his 2nd post now I'm not so sure. If anyone feels they wasted 3 hours of their life chasing such a inconsequential thing they really need to reexamine their priorities.
had i known i get screwed over i would never clear my day schedule and sit on my ass for almost 3 hours trying to get a wow wod beta key. i figured 3 laptops i had a chance of 60% chance of getting a beta key.

 



How did you figure that? You had a 3:500 chance.

What's the big deal anyway? The people at mmorpg.com are giving people something for free, Not you or anyone else was entitled to anything.


Originally posted by zaultv
Im one of the most active paladins on the wow forums and a top end retribution paladin. 

Who gives a shit?


Its like blizzard wants good people to test out their betas, but they go the completely WRONG way in deciding who gets them. I dont understand that at all....

Are your really that daft? Blizzard do this for marketing. This site has marketing agreements with blizzard and one cog turns the other.

You don't really think that your feedback is going to change major systems do you?


Originally posted by Kopogero
Ok, well the purpose of this thread is us the gamers who've had a common interest for a long period of time to explore what else out there life could offer if the genre fails us for a prolong period.

So, imagine tomorrow all games not just MMO's as well as the internet stopped being interesting to you. Imagine you had no friends, no relatives or known parties to socialize or a job to meet some and only few thousand bucks. I'm curious to see what your "MMO experience" would advice you to do to start from scratch in the ultimate "IRL MMORPG" that majority are playing "hardcore" out there.

So, here is what I would do.

#1 Watch tv shows/series/movies I might've missed and then end up waiting on X day for the next one.

#2 Watch sports like NBA and now soccer world cup. 

I'll put more after...

 

So, what would you do?

 

 

 



Sit around mmorpg.com and talk about the "Good old days"?

How is this in anyway good?

The game's premise at heart was 2 factions a war. Now they have a trade agreement with the enemy?

There was already a "Smuggler" Auction house which you could use to trade goods and it was lore friendly. Now they go and do this?.

 
It had quests for god sake..


Originally posted by Cirventhor
Like a lot of people on this forum, I've been unable to find a MMO that is worth sticking to the last decade. My first MMO was DAoC back in 2002, and I've been unable to find anything that brings the same level of satisfaction. I'm still playing it after all these years, but it's growing a bit stale to say the least. What I'm looking for in a MMO is basically the following bullet points:

- Trinity-based combat, with well defined classes.

- Traditional servers, no "megaserver"/phasing tech.

- Minimal instances. The open world is far more important to me.

- No automatic grouping tools (LFD, LFR etc.)

- Group based leveling.

- Minimal questing, apart from long, well thought out questlines (think epic quests in DAoC/EQ1).

- No fast travel to speak of.

- Non-instanced housing.

- Preferably a seamless open world.

I'm not sure there are even recent games out that satisfy all these criteria, hence why I'm still playing DAoC and EQ1. Are my only options old games at this point? I've been looking at ArcheAge - how does it compare to my list above?


They just dont make games like that anymore :(

I have not played AA, but it seems to tick most of the boxes you want.


Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Signex You're asking for the impossible.   That will never happen sorry.
Its far from impossible... Scaling stuff is just a matter of mathematics..

 

this way that can add gigantic amounts of content to the endgame, and thats what this game has prooved to be all about since vanilla left the kitchen. Its about the endgame where everyone is max level.... This would somehow compensate for blizzqrds failings in the upgrade department... If they add all this content to max level game, its much easier to keep players interested


It solves nothing.

WoW players only care about vertical progression at end game, it doesn't matter if they have a lot of content choices if it don't increase their power and ego.

Once people clear all that upscale content they will be crying for the next teir.


Originally posted by Hariken
Heres what happened to me... I just got my first cruiser. A Rupture and just got it set up to go mob hunting. In less than an hour i was killed by another player in so called safe space. I asked him why and he said welcome to eve you are not safe anywhere i will hunt you down unless you pay me not to.  I just remember sitting at the pc in shock about this. So i said no way i was going to pay him. I posted about it on the eve boards and was told by many the same thing he said to me. This is how the game works. Deal with it or quit. So no matter what you pro eve players are posting here, you will never make me think any different of you or this game. The eve community are the worse of any mmo on the market. Why any sane person would pay 15 dollars a month for this is beyond me. This person wanted me to pay him to not keep killing me in a game. And this is fun how? Maybe for him but not the victim.  And anyone saying this is like real life has got to be smoking something. This has never happened to me in real life.

buy 1 plex for $20 and put a billion isk bounty on his head.


Originally posted by Foobarx
Find some real friends and play together.  Relying on some automated queue system is a recipe for disaster.  Real friends = sure thing.  You need to find people to play with.  Servers are only dead because you let them be.  Call up reinforcements.

Kinda defeats the purpose of playing an "MMORPG" if you have a static group of friends...


Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD When it comes to 'will VR be a hit' its really anyone guess. I am only suggesting my prediction on the matter. Back in the 90s when I saw 3rd person view being used in action games I thought that was the stupist thing I had ever seen and to this day I am still perplexed as to why its so popular. So its completely possible the VR could tank. But the reasons you give I have to address.
  And I've giving you reasons why I think it won't be something that changed our lives.  I think it will be a very successful niche product like the 3dtv.    Look ok at the Nintendo wii everyone wanted one it was the new way to play video games...a few years later Nintendo u not such a hit anymore.   kinect from xbox again a new interesting way to play video games and control your home entertainment.  I personally think my brothers xb1 kinect is a pretty cool feature but I understand not everyone does and it probably won't advance much.     All these examples I have given you are examples of ways to enhance your viewing or gaming experience just like the Rift, I can't help that you want to plug your ears and scream so you don't have to hear that.  Based on these past products that's why I feel that VR won't be a mainstream success anytime soon.  
ok I think you and I are done.  I have already explain in detail and just about 30 mins ago how 3dtv is not like VR. You might as well be comparing VR to beenie babies. what I wish you could understand is how 3dtv is different from VR but I dont think I can explain it  
Oh I understand their differences the difference between us is I also understand the similarity something you clearly are too hard headed to accept.  They both again get ready for this...hold on...you ready...here it is...they both were invented/created ok here it comes it's going to be a shocker....to ENHANCE ONES VIEWING EXPERIENCE!!!!  No matter how many times you try to dodge that main FACT IT WONT CHANGE THAT FACT!!
then why not compare VR to a video card? Doesnt a video card 'enhance viewing experience'? dont you find it at all interesting how this VR van boy was NEVER  INTERESTED IN 3D this is why I am not convinced that you do understand what VR is.
  Oh I understand what 3DTV is. i understand what VR is. i understand what you are.   Oh I didn't like 3dtv but I'm obsessed with VR that means they are not the same at all. Oh my opinions are facts and you are wrong. Dont ask me for links I dont remember where I got or heard the information I'm passing off as facts. I don't think you will ever understand this very large world we live in does not and will never revolve around your interests.  Sorry to break that to you bud.  I would post some things you were interested in and predicted that didn't turn out but you will just get all embarrassed for being called out again and hit the report button in an effort to hide the fact the world doesn't revolve around you.  
1. what exactly am I posting as a 'fact' other than 3d is not like VR which yes I would say that is a pretty easily explained fact   I am suggesting that its my PREDICTION (not fact) that VR will be very successful and as I have stated I am willing to accept that I might be completely wrong because I have been wrong about predictions in the past. What you and I are addressing are the REASONS we might think its successful or not, and putting 3d tv/gaming into the mix of that conversation is a clear tell that someone does not understand VR.
  I think the concept here is new technology even with a large amount of initial hype behind it does not necessarily transfer into a high customer adoption rate. The 3d tv was used as an example to show how something which had hype was not sustained by customer adoption in the long run.  
and video cards is an example of something that does.   3dTV/gaming is a bad example for a variety of reasons. Other better examples should be selected. Plus it has the problem of confusing some people who do not understand VR.
  If i understand your argument correctly (having viewed a couple of your posts in other threads) You believe VR to be evolutionary in the entertainment medium? (stop me if im incorrect here) IF this is the case a fantastic example would be the evolution from VHS > DVD where Dvd's having almost no draw backs has superseded VHS and has nearly universal adoption by customers. The problem with VR its a medium change coupled with a set of drawback unlike the example above.
I do not understand you last statement.   I am not sure if its an evolutionary step or not. I honestly havent given that angle a lot of thought. I do however think it is the largest improvement to computer interaction both in gaming and in other areas that we have had since the early 90s when what they called then '3d gaming' was invented (example doom).
  Ok to define my last statement a bit more clearly. VHS > DVD +Better Quality Video +More Compact +Larger Capacity +Digital Dvds offer a clear advantage with no drawback besides having to upgrade your equipment. TV > OR Better Immersion (this is actually subjective where as the dvd clearly has more definition over vhs) +Head Tracking +Interactive - Cancels RL vision. - Medical implications (nausea, scientifically unproven vision problems, neck strain) -Similar or less visual quality from a TV (As reported in reviews) IF you look at this table, You can clearly see why the DvD was adopted because it offered advantages across the board. Where the Rift has the problem is its going to be hard to convince consumers to adopt it over what they are used to because it doesn't offer a clear cut advantage over what they have become a custom to. Rift as a supplemental device or a "Different type of device" to view entertainment media is still hindered by mass customer adoption because of the same pros and cons.
I do not agree with Oculus when they say that this will radically change everything. I think it will for people like myself and I think it will be strong in the market. I do not however think it will be as explosive as things like DVD (for example).

That said, like motorcycles, a product doesnt have to be in every home to be extreemly successful.

Also, I might point out that in the early days of dvds blockbuster told me that they were not going to rent them because they are concerned about them scratching.

I also think (however not 'predicting this') that its possible in 5 years that VR will be more popular outside of gaming then within gaming.


Pretty much agree what that.

What a nice civil and objective conversation. Thanks.


Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD When it comes to 'will VR be a hit' its really anyone guess. I am only suggesting my prediction on the matter. Back in the 90s when I saw 3rd person view being used in action games I thought that was the stupist thing I had ever seen and to this day I am still perplexed as to why its so popular. So its completely possible the VR could tank. But the reasons you give I have to address.
  And I've giving you reasons why I think it won't be something that changed our lives.  I think it will be a very successful niche product like the 3dtv.    Look ok at the Nintendo wii everyone wanted one it was the new way to play video games...a few years later Nintendo u not such a hit anymore.   kinect from xbox again a new interesting way to play video games and control your home entertainment.  I personally think my brothers xb1 kinect is a pretty cool feature but I understand not everyone does and it probably won't advance much.     All these examples I have given you are examples of ways to enhance your viewing or gaming experience just like the Rift, I can't help that you want to plug your ears and scream so you don't have to hear that.  Based on these past products that's why I feel that VR won't be a mainstream success anytime soon.  
ok I think you and I are done.  I have already explain in detail and just about 30 mins ago how 3dtv is not like VR. You might as well be comparing VR to beenie babies. what I wish you could understand is how 3dtv is different from VR but I dont think I can explain it  
Oh I understand their differences the difference between us is I also understand the similarity something you clearly are too hard headed to accept.  They both again get ready for this...hold on...you ready...here it is...they both were invented/created ok here it comes it's going to be a shocker....to ENHANCE ONES VIEWING EXPERIENCE!!!!  No matter how many times you try to dodge that main FACT IT WONT CHANGE THAT FACT!!
then why not compare VR to a video card? Doesnt a video card 'enhance viewing experience'? dont you find it at all interesting how this VR van boy was NEVER  INTERESTED IN 3D this is why I am not convinced that you do understand what VR is.
  Oh I understand what 3DTV is. i understand what VR is. i understand what you are.   Oh I didn't like 3dtv but I'm obsessed with VR that means they are not the same at all. Oh my opinions are facts and you are wrong. Dont ask me for links I dont remember where I got or heard the information I'm passing off as facts. I don't think you will ever understand this very large world we live in does not and will never revolve around your interests.  Sorry to break that to you bud.  I would post some things you were interested in and predicted that didn't turn out but you will just get all embarrassed for being called out again and hit the report button in an effort to hide the fact the world doesn't revolve around you.  
1. what exactly am I posting as a 'fact' other than 3d is not like VR which yes I would say that is a pretty easily explained fact   I am suggesting that its my PREDICTION (not fact) that VR will be very successful and as I have stated I am willing to accept that I might be completely wrong because I have been wrong about predictions in the past. What you and I are addressing are the REASONS we might think its successful or not, and putting 3d tv/gaming into the mix of that conversation is a clear tell that someone does not understand VR.
  I think the concept here is new technology even with a large amount of initial hype behind it does not necessarily transfer into a high customer adoption rate. The 3d tv was used as an example to show how something which had hype was not sustained by customer adoption in the long run.  
and video cards is an example of something that does.   3dTV/gaming is a bad example for a variety of reasons. Other better examples should be selected. Plus it has the problem of confusing some people who do not understand VR.
  If i understand your argument correctly (having viewed a couple of your posts in other threads) You believe VR to be evolutionary in the entertainment medium? (stop me if im incorrect here) IF this is the case a fantastic example would be the evolution from VHS > DVD where Dvd's having almost no draw backs has superseded VHS and has nearly universal adoption by customers. The problem with VR its a medium change coupled with a set of drawback unlike the example above.
I do not understand you last statement.

I am not sure if its an evolutionary step or not. I honestly havent given that angle a lot of thought. I do however think it is the largest improvement to computer interaction both in gaming and in other areas that we have had since the early 90s when what they called then '3d gaming' was invented (example doom).


Ok to define my last statement a bit more clearly.

VHS > DVD
+Better Quality Video
+More Compact
+Larger Capacity
+Digital

Dvds offer a clear advantage with no drawback besides having to upgrade your equipment.

TV > OR
Better Immersion (this is actually subjective where as the dvd clearly has more definition over vhs)
+Head Tracking
+Interactive
- Cancels RL vision.
- Medical implications (nausea, scientifically unproven vision problems, neck strain)
-Similar or less visual quality from a TV (As reported in reviews)

IF you look at this table, You can clearly see why the DvD was adopted because it offered advantages across the board.

Where the Rift has the problem is its going to be hard to convince consumers to adopt it over what they are used to because it doesn't offer a clear cut advantage over what they have become a custom to.

Rift as a supplemental device or a "Different type of device" to view entertainment media is still hindered by mass customer adoption because of the same pros and cons.
Removing those cons might see a higher rate of adoption.


Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD When it comes to 'will VR be a hit' its really anyone guess. I am only suggesting my prediction on the matter. Back in the 90s when I saw 3rd person view being used in action games I thought that was the stupist thing I had ever seen and to this day I am still perplexed as to why its so popular. So its completely possible the VR could tank. But the reasons you give I have to address.
  And I've giving you reasons why I think it won't be something that changed our lives.  I think it will be a very successful niche product like the 3dtv.    Look ok at the Nintendo wii everyone wanted one it was the new way to play video games...a few years later Nintendo u not such a hit anymore.   kinect from xbox again a new interesting way to play video games and control your home entertainment.  I personally think my brothers xb1 kinect is a pretty cool feature but I understand not everyone does and it probably won't advance much.     All these examples I have given you are examples of ways to enhance your viewing or gaming experience just like the Rift, I can't help that you want to plug your ears and scream so you don't have to hear that.  Based on these past products that's why I feel that VR won't be a mainstream success anytime soon.  
ok I think you and I are done.  I have already explain in detail and just about 30 mins ago how 3dtv is not like VR. You might as well be comparing VR to beenie babies. what I wish you could understand is how 3dtv is different from VR but I dont think I can explain it  
Oh I understand their differences the difference between us is I also understand the similarity something you clearly are too hard headed to accept.  They both again get ready for this...hold on...you ready...here it is...they both were invented/created ok here it comes it's going to be a shocker....to ENHANCE ONES VIEWING EXPERIENCE!!!!  No matter how many times you try to dodge that main FACT IT WONT CHANGE THAT FACT!!
then why not compare VR to a video card? Doesnt a video card 'enhance viewing experience'? dont you find it at all interesting how this VR van boy was NEVER  INTERESTED IN 3D this is why I am not convinced that you do understand what VR is.
  Oh I understand what 3DTV is. i understand what VR is. i understand what you are.   Oh I didn't like 3dtv but I'm obsessed with VR that means they are not the same at all. Oh my opinions are facts and you are wrong. Dont ask me for links I dont remember where I got or heard the information I'm passing off as facts. I don't think you will ever understand this very large world we live in does not and will never revolve around your interests.  Sorry to break that to you bud.  I would post some things you were interested in and predicted that didn't turn out but you will just get all embarrassed for being called out again and hit the report button in an effort to hide the fact the world doesn't revolve around you.  
1. what exactly am I posting as a 'fact' other than 3d is not like VR which yes I would say that is a pretty easily explained fact   I am suggesting that its my PREDICTION (not fact) that VR will be very successful and as I have stated I am willing to accept that I might be completely wrong because I have been wrong about predictions in the past. What you and I are addressing are the REASONS we might think its successful or not, and putting 3d tv/gaming into the mix of that conversation is a clear tell that someone does not understand VR.
  I think the concept here is new technology even with a large amount of initial hype behind it does not necessarily transfer into a high customer adoption rate. The 3d tv was used as an example to show how something which had hype was not sustained by customer adoption in the long run.  
and video cards is an example of something that does.

3dTV/gaming is a bad example for a variety of reasons. Other better examples should be selected. Plus it has the problem of confusing some people who do not understand VR.


If i understand your argument correctly (having viewed a couple of your posts in other threads) You believe VR to be evolutionary in the entertainment medium? (stop me if im incorrect here)

IF this is the case a fantastic example would be the evolution from VHS > DVD
where Dvd's having almost no draw backs has superseded VHS and has nearly universal adoption by customers.

The problem with VR its a medium change coupled with a set of drawback unlike the example above.


Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD When it comes to 'will VR be a hit' its really anyone guess. I am only suggesting my prediction on the matter. Back in the 90s when I saw 3rd person view being used in action games I thought that was the stupist thing I had ever seen and to this day I am still perplexed as to why its so popular. So its completely possible the VR could tank. But the reasons you give I have to address.
  And I've giving you reasons why I think it won't be something that changed our lives.  I think it will be a very successful niche product like the 3dtv.    Look ok at the Nintendo wii everyone wanted one it was the new way to play video games...a few years later Nintendo u not such a hit anymore.   kinect from xbox again a new interesting way to play video games and control your home entertainment.  I personally think my brothers xb1 kinect is a pretty cool feature but I understand not everyone does and it probably won't advance much.     All these examples I have given you are examples of ways to enhance your viewing or gaming experience just like the Rift, I can't help that you want to plug your ears and scream so you don't have to hear that.  Based on these past products that's why I feel that VR won't be a mainstream success anytime soon.  
ok I think you and I are done.  I have already explain in detail and just about 30 mins ago how 3dtv is not like VR. You might as well be comparing VR to beenie babies. what I wish you could understand is how 3dtv is different from VR but I dont think I can explain it  
Oh I understand their differences the difference between us is I also understand the similarity something you clearly are too hard headed to accept.  They both again get ready for this...hold on...you ready...here it is...they both were invented/created ok here it comes it's going to be a shocker....to ENHANCE ONES VIEWING EXPERIENCE!!!!  No matter how many times you try to dodge that main FACT IT WONT CHANGE THAT FACT!!
then why not compare VR to a video card? Doesnt a video card 'enhance viewing experience'? dont you find it at all interesting how this VR van boy was NEVER  INTERESTED IN 3D this is why I am not convinced that you do understand what VR is.
  Oh I understand what 3DTV is. i understand what VR is. i understand what you are.   Oh I didn't like 3dtv but I'm obsessed with VR that means they are not the same at all. Oh my opinions are facts and you are wrong. Dont ask me for links I dont remember where I got or heard the information I'm passing off as facts. I don't think you will ever understand this very large world we live in does not and will never revolve around your interests.  Sorry to break that to you bud.  I would post some things you were interested in and predicted that didn't turn out but you will just get all embarrassed for being called out again and hit the report button in an effort to hide the fact the world doesn't revolve around you.  
1. what exactly am I posting as a 'fact' other than 3d is not like VR which yes I would say that is a pretty easily explained fact

I am suggesting that its my PREDICTION (not fact) that VR will be very successful and as I have stated I am willing to accept that I might be completely wrong because I have been wrong about predictions in the past.

What you and I are addressing are the REASONS we might think its successful or not, and putting 3d tv/gaming into the mix of that conversation is a clear tell that someone does not understand VR.


I think the concept here is new technology even with a large amount of initial hype behind it does not necessarily transfer into a high customer adoption rate.

The 3d tv was used as an example to show how something which had hype was not sustained by customer adoption in the long run.



Originally posted by Foobarx

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Hockeyisthegame

Originally posted by SEANMCAD works for me! Evidence that its coming, regardless of 'who'
  Yeah I thought you would enjoy that...think your rift will be a bigger hit can't see too many people making VR glasses out of pizza boxes... But just because everyone wants a piece of the pie doesn't guaranty it's going to be a huge success...for example every tv maker jumped on the 3dtv thing but we all see how that has died down.     There are too many variables with VR to start touting it's horn.  Sure be excited for it but proclaiming it's going to change video games, mmos, how we watch tv, how we watch movies is extremely pre-mature.      Lets keep  our conversations civil today btw...
in all fairness VR is: 1. cheaper than 3D (as you have learned from google VR is basically software rendering applied to a smartphone screen.) 2. 3d doesnt track your head movement. 3. 3d cant detect hand movement. 4. 3d doesnt allow you to look down and see items in that area 5. 3d doesnt allow you to look up and see items in that area 6. 3d dosent allow you to look right and see items in that area 7. 3d doesnt allow you to look left and see items in that area   I went ahead and spelled out what I thought was obvious because this isnt the first time someone tried to equate VR with 3D and it tells me that they do not understand VR so I am trying to explain it.
The problem is, we don't care about VR either...  spelling it out for us doesn't change that fact.  You're the one on some VR crusade like it's the next coming.  If you posted about ANYTHING on these forums vehemently, it will be seen for what it is.  You'd be better off saying nothing at all and let the technology speak for itself.  It doesn't need a soapbox.  IF it is what you claim it is, it will reveal itself in due time.  If it's not, we will have been spared of endless SPAM on the topic.

This post is pure gold and should be applied to all products.


Originally posted by Sircampsalot08
Zenimax will never release the source code for Fallout, especially after their long court battle with Interplay to get the rights back for a Fallout MMO.

Even if they release the source they still retain the IP, Licence and rights.
So you cant just release a game called "Falloutt" with the Fallout code base because that would infringe on the IP. You would also have no rights to assets and have to release your work opensource as well.

Atm they are sitting on a game everybody even remotely interested in has already bought.. years ago probably. And imo they stand to make more money (and PR) doing this than letting the sales dribble in.

Besides this would not stop then selling copies anyway as you need to legally obtain assets to compile the game.


Some people may or not be aware that the licence to the original fallout games has been transferred to Bethesda from interplay studios recently, And while zenimax isnt very popular at the moment this could be a great opportunity for fans of the original games.

Zenimax, through rallying by its former employee John Carmack has a had a long history of releasing the ID tech engine source code as opensource/GPL after many years of commercial success back to the fans to do an assortment of mods and porting.

So it seems to me at least that this studio may be forward thinking enough to do the same with the fallout games. Games, which are 17 YEARS OLD and up until recently have been given away FREE from such sites as GOG.

With The recent advent of kickstarter it might be possible to bribe Bethesda into Opening the source...If the price is right. On the condition that Bethesda honored the arrangement you could start a campaign with the premise of say.. $1m to convert the current licence.

Seems like a no brainier to me, Release the code(even partially) and Retain the rights to assets. People still need to buy the game to use the source and they cant use the engine for commercial purposes if under GPL.

At $1m, that's the equivalent of selling 66,889 copies at current price in 30 a day kick starter campaign.

Thoughts?

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