EQ2 because it still has the best PvE engame and i have a really good guild. 

Defiance because it's fun in short spurts and lets me waste an hour or two without thinking.

This is the same site that gave the steaming turd that is SWTOR a 9.0

Their credibility is like in the negatives i think.

Although tbh, Defiance is probably a 7 or 8 in terms of MMOFPS/TPS games.  It's not exactly a genre full of gems.  

Originally posted by Siveria

Hey there I have a few questions. Namely after reading this article: http://kotaku.com/defiance-is-off-to-a-rocky-start-but-you-wont-see-pla-468189342

Alright.. here goes

1: Did they ever fix char creation so everyone isin't forced to use the same 3 low-texture res char models? First thing I disliked in defiance was before I ever got into the game, it was the char creation and the lack of options, most f2p games have way more options.

There are still 3 "Archetypes" and not much body selection, but I was pretty happy with the Head/Face selection.  It's not going to compare  to a proper MMORPG's char creator, but it's quite a bit better than most shooters.  I was able to make two really cool-looking characters that are pretty close to what i wanted them to look like.

2: Has the pvp been improved so its not just everyone running around spamming rocket launchers all day?

I have no idea, haven't PvP'ed yet and have no plans to.  The main reason I'm playing defiance is because it's PvE-focused.

3: What bugs have you come across so far if any?

None so far.  None in the 2-3 days I played last Beta either.

4: Do you think the chat was shut off on purpose by Trion to avoid people bitchin about the game and such?

I didn't realize it's been shut off, was working when i was on yesterday.  I doubt this would be the reason, people have intensively bitched and trolled about every single MMO to ever come out, not like it ever helped one way or the other.

Any answers to these, and any general info you can give me of your experences playing the game would be great.

Thanks all.

In general - game is fun.  It's basically Borderlans set in a persitent world and with dynamic content thrown in.  And Borderlands won "Game of the Year".   I'm not quitting my main MMORPG for it, but it's a one-time price and I'll keep popping in whenever I want some shooting fun.

Wow, apparently Defiance is so good that even people that hate it and think it's awful play it a lot.   Thanks OP!

Originally posted by Stormakov
People that get fucking upset by fucking cuss words but not gratuitous fucking amounts of fucking violence and death make me fucking laugh.

Look man, killing countless people is pefectly normal.  Calling them assholes when you do it is crossing the frackin' line!

Originally posted by Bookah

Sci-fi fans have been hardedned by the likes of FIrefly, S.G.U. Tera Nova, Star Trek ; Enterprise etc. and we are now prolly the most loyall fanbase in existance.

 

The geek in me can't help but point out that it is a grave insult to the otherwise decent shows to have the pos that was Terra Nova included among them.   If Sci-Fi shows are going to be anything like Terra Nova, then they should all be cancelled in favour of brilliant, thought-provoking and heart-wrenching entertainment such as Jersey Shore.

Sorry, someone had to say it.

I've purchased Defiance btw.  Hopefully the show is decent, which would make it the.. uhm.. ONE and only decent sci-fi show.  Sigh.

I liked it.  I wouldn't consider it any kind of revolution or breakthrough and it's certianly not nearl as good as TR was (at least on first experience).  

Good Stuff:

The graphics are great, good animations, beautiful settings, etc. 

Driving is really fun and there are even race tracks!  Cool.

Story and voiceovers are decent.  not great, but not terrible either.

stuff is easy to find and easy to learn.

The game's PvE focus is nice and it's cool to just jump into action with other people killing mobs.

Needs Improvement:

Skills and Abilities.. coming from an MMORPG backgroud, i want there to be more special ability buttons to push.  

All the upgrades just add X% to such and such stance.. don't seem to change the way you play much.  I'm still very early in though.

Bad:

UI - ui is frackin terrible as mentioned.  It's not so annoying to run around and do combat, for that it's ok, but for anything else - inventory, options, etc, it's bad.

Music - yikes.

Ammo - maybe it's just me, but i am highly annoyed by the "click to recharge ammo" thing.  Maybe i'm just used to having to buy or carry inventory of ammo.   Or just having unlimited ammo automatically.  I would much prefer some kind of "weapon cooldown" mechanic if you only want me to be able to fire off 40 shots or whatever.

I've only played for a few hours so far, so obviously i don't know everything about the game.  But those ar emy first impressions.

I"m looking forward to playing it on launch.

I don't mind a hybrid system like AoC or Tabula Rasa (TR had my favourite "Action" system).    I just don't want a system that's similar to an FPS where having to move my mouse really quickly to a point of pintpoint accuracy on the screen is the main skill involved.

Ultimatley the RPG gaming system is all about making the right choice of ability to use and the right target and time for that ability.   It's not about having good aim.   So some upgrades to make the system a bit more dynamic and fun, i'm all in favour of.  But i don't want to be playing a FPS.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by Mackeh

Sadly this game seems like another safe questing lack of excitment game, I join the beta in a hour or two but if it's all just PvE questing then I will be out.

It's amazing that all these years since the fun of Vanilla wow with all the ganking, huge man made spontanious fights in Ironforge, Tarren Mill etc  that no other developer has realised that this is why WOW had millions of players, it was totally exciting.  Sure it was frustrating being ganked, corpsecamped or being unable to quest when the opposing faction took over a town.  For me this is what made WOW great, it was dangerous and exciting, it may be shit now but back in vanilla it was incredible.

Defiance looks good but if the game is just about killing x number of mobs, collecting x number or rats tails [or whatever] without the added danger of the enemy factions attacking you then it will join the long list of MMO failures.

I'm on the opposite side of this.  So tired of all the games that focus on PvP, looking forward to a PvE-centric shooting game.

lolwut? Tired of PvP focused games, which are?

The market is flooded with PvE carebear games and little contained PvP zones for the outcast.

Wouldn't know what to play if Blood and Glory servers wouldn't exist in Age of Conan where I have true hardcore open world PvP plus corpse loot. 

All the shooters seem to be much more PvP-focused - PS2, Dust, Global Agenda even Fallen Earth which was more of  a MMORPG still only had PvP as the endgame.  TR and SWG were good for PvE but are both gone now. 

Many of the decent  MMOs are trending the same way, I really liked AoC, but i always felt like i was misisng half the game because i didn't enjoy the PvP.   Even games like Rift and TOR which are supposed to be more PvE games are structured around conflict between two sides where you can't even group with half the population. 

The world's only decent sandbox is EVE and unless you PvP, it's a complete borefest since PvE is massively under-developed.  

Even the Elder Scrolls game that is being based around games that had absolutely no PvP seems to have PvP as its primary thing.

Originally posted by Mackeh

Sadly this game seems like another safe questing lack of excitment game, I join the beta in a hour or two but if it's all just PvE questing then I will be out.

It's amazing that all these years since the fun of Vanilla wow with all the ganking, huge man made spontanious fights in Ironforge, Tarren Mill etc  that no other developer has realised that this is why WOW had millions of players, it was totally exciting.  Sure it was frustrating being ganked, corpsecamped or being unable to quest when the opposing faction took over a town.  For me this is what made WOW great, it was dangerous and exciting, it may be shit now but back in vanilla it was incredible.

Defiance looks good but if the game is just about killing x number of mobs, collecting x number or rats tails [or whatever] without the added danger of the enemy factions attacking you then it will join the long list of MMO failures.

I'm on the opposite side of this.  So tired of all the games that focus on PvP, looking forward to a PvE-centric shooting game.

sorry shooter or not, I like a little MMORPGing in my MMORPG's, this game has none of it

 

Just to I'm clear.. someone on a MMORPG site is discussing a game that isn't a MMORPG and has ascertained that it's not a MMORPG.  

Good to know.

Originally posted by narial

people who complain that a new mmorpg is not a sandbox don't actually pay sandbox mmorpgs. if they did eve would have a LOT more subs.

I've subbed to EVE on like 5 separate occassions over the years.  I really love the idea of it, but I just find the PvE to be extremely underwhelming.  It's an amazing sandbox if you PvP.  It's mediocre at best if you just PvE.

Hasn't been a good PvE sandbox since SWG.

I still don't get the whole sandbox vs. themepark argument when it comes to Defiance though.. it's a shooter game.. do people not know what one is like?  Try Planetside or Global Agenda or Borderlands.. it's really not rocket science.

Originally posted by icemand1
any one know what the plot of the game is and what is there to do in the game?

Plot:

The game takes place in the San Francisco Bay Area after a massive world-wide terraforming event led to the alteration of the landscape, the fall of plants and animal species and the rise to new species. Several alien species came to Earth to set up a new home, which led to war, further devastating the planet. After the war, both Humans and the aliens, known as Votans, learned to live side by side. Players are enlisted as "Ark Hunters" by Karl Von Bach (CEO of Von Bach Industries) to travel to the Bay Area in search of advanced and expensive alien technology. Players also take part in side

What there is to do:

Shoot things, take their stuff.

Shoot things with other people, take their stuff.

Shoot other people, not take their stuff.

Originally posted by Kyleran
Better to be bored before beta than after.

Better to be bored before or after than during. 

That's right, I went there. I'm bored too.  /twiddle_thumbs

/facepalm.

OP, you do realize this isn't even a MMORPG, right?  It's a persistent shooter.

That being said.. sure it's sandbox... i guess.  I mean, you don't have to log in and follow a set quest path to progress afaik.  You log in and go do whatever you want wherever you want.  Just, mainly "the whatever" is limited to shooting stuff.

The amount of linking doesn't really matter that much.  The idea is that TV show fans are able to spend more with the world of the show that they enjoy in-between episodes and Game fans are able to see their game's world represented explored on TV.

If you're expecting to kill the show's main character during a solo mission and then see it live on TV the next day, you'll be disappointed.   Otherwise, I think it's a great idea.  Like wathching LoTR and playing LoTRO.

I think it's also quite ironic that this thread (intended to be negative) has probably brought more attention (and likely customers) to Defiance than anything else on this site, which seems to be largely ignoring the game (it's not even listed under "games in development" on the forum sitebar).

My advice:  if you truly want to keep people away from a game - any game - don't talk about it.   Because any publicity is good publicity, especially on a site like this.

Originally posted by evemaster00

I expect Defiance to cost very little if you wait a few months.

Pretty much every game costs very little after a few months.  I regularly buy past "games of the year" at $9.99.   I've watched the live-streams of the game and have heard from several people who's opinion I can more or less trust and while I may not play the game for long, it definitely looks sounds good enough to fool around with. 

Worst case scenario is it'll serve as a nice prologue to the show.  Anyhow, open beta is this weekend, so we can fully expect lots and lots of opinions on the game.

Considering just how much outright trashing there was on this forum of titles like GW2 and TOR, I seriously doubt that they're outright deleting negative threads that don't violate the NDA.   Of course, while the game is actually under NDA, chances are that if you make a negative post, it is highly likely that it's either trolling (baseless accusations) or NDA violation (accusations based on info you shouldn't be sharing). 

I bought the game.  It's only $60 to find out for myself.  Plus, can jump back in at any point to shoot stuff.  Not like it's a proper MMORPG that will take me away from anything, just a pretty time-waster tied to what hopefully will be an interesting show.

Nothing to get worked up about really.  I'm expecting something close to an online version of borderlands.