Originally posted by Ranlawl

I'm confused now, one guy said AoC is the best and another said WAR is the best.......... i dont know who to trust, one of them must be lieing

  Its easy neither of them have played WAR or AoC, they are both lying fanbois that believe every written piece of trash hype they read on their favorite Fanboi trash site. They probably have been on vacation from reality for some time and have no idea whats going on in the real world. either that or they are just game devs from each side trying to drum up more hype.

   Up with the drama! 

 Thanks for the post and the link, a decent read.

  Real question I see here is how many people here (Vanbois, McQuaid fans, even haters etc.)  Would take their own

hard earned money and invest it in McQuaids next MMO attempt? Show hands? Comon people don't be shy post up. Urr maybe it would be better if someone started a poll thread in this forum with this question?

  I am such a noob how do we set up polls in our threads?

Originally posted by alyndale

Somehow I just do not see any cartoon gaming developer as some type of messiah.  Nor, do I see any MMO on the market as powerful enough to be considered as religion.

Flawed thinking.  Or, maybe you were simply making a joke.  If not, well then maybe someone takes this a bit too seriously.  Time to pull back from the computer and make actual human contact in the real world I should think.  It could actually be very refreshing for you.  Find a little trust and compassion, that should go far in easing your conspiracy fear.

 

 

  Humm interesting topic, hope you don't mind if I jump in. Recently in the american papers there was a report of a couple that neglcted/abused their childern (1-2 years of age) SO they instead could play MMO's (think it was WoW but might be wrong) The couple wouldn't feed the children nor even change their soiled diapers. (at least this was the state the childern were found in) Sorry I don't have a link to the article but you could probably goggle it up if you wanted.

  Likewise we have all heard of the man who played mmo's constantly over such a length of time he died. (was in Korea I believe)

 This would seem to indicate that for some people MMO's do have a powerfull effect almost reaching that of a religion. (certainly that of a cult) Heck ask most people to kill themselves, or starve/abuse their childer for their religion these days and they wouldn't.

  While i do believe the OP was making a joke, it did bring up a interesting point. Their are crazy (urr sorry insane) people in the world that don't really need rational reasons to do things. Cults are frequently (though not always) composed of people that by the average stand point do not seem rational. (save off all your hair, give all your money and belongings to the religous head,  go beg/preach in a airpot for more, is one example mass suicide being another.)

Originally posted by Urdig

 

Originally posted by BuzWeaver

Originally posted by NagelFire

Comsidering 3/4 of the comments on this forum are flaming Vanguard, Why is the rating 7.9 from the users?

Also, I guess its to early to find a trial here for this game huh? (This is a question)

 

~Thanks

Because these 'users' are biased.

Or because people complain about EVERY SINGLE GAME OUT, and VG isn't as bad as some people make it out.

 

BTW, the VG forums here aren't that active, and there is no more complaining about this game then goes on with WoW.  Not neccesarly on these boards, but at the official sites for sure.

Honestly now, do you really think that the people that disliked the game gave it an unbiased or accurate rating?  I'm sure they did.

 I don't think its weither people complain about the game or not (as you say everyones always got something to complain about, games, taxes, death, life, war, peace, etc), or even how people rate the game. ( a gamer high on crack gets the same ability to rate as one with a degree in nuclear Science that has played every MMO out) If the game can't keep even 50K active subscribers and players continue to leave in greater numbers then ones come in (new, or renewed etc) that speaks volumes to me. Sure I'm not saying games have to have WOW like numbers but obviously if the majority of players that have tried the game leave (there was what once 150K activite subscribers) and its subscriber base is lower then most other MMO's out even after Hundreds of bug fixes then that to me kinda says there might be something still wrong with the game thats not gonna magically change in a week or even a few months.
Honestly now do you think every Fanboi rated the game honestly and justly? I'm sure they did 

  End point I don't believe Sigil went bankrupt because they made a great game, and No I don't buy the story that SOE which gave sigil money to keep VG in developement even longer  with more beta testing and fine tuning then it would have gotten without the funds was behind sigils downfall

Originally posted by Bluewolf244

Hey guys I played this at the release for about a month then quit.  I thought the game was a bit buggy for me when I played.  But theres nothing really out there for me right now, and I'm thinking about coming back to start a new toon. 

Just wondering how much have they improved with in the games content and performance?

Also thinking about goin to a pvp server and suggestions to what may improve my chances of surviving out there?

 By all means resubscribe! Games never gonna get better with less and less players. (well lag might)

"Aye, all MMO's have some sort of simularities, see my response above. But I see it personally as again mentioned above, you have all the basics there with one major difference and that is the rvr. In the end, that is great, but it dosn't (in my eyes) make me think "Awsome idea! can't wait!" at first I did, because we really had no clue what Warhammer was headed, now that we do, it has (as mentioned above) all those traits that can be seen in both games. In the end it's all preferences. The only issue here seems to be my comparison to war and wow, but to ignore that is just plain stupid, an orc is an orc etc etc."

  The OP's statement is silly and really doesn't hold any water. Guess what there are Humans characters in AoC and there are Humans WoW. even more disturbing is there are Horses in AoC and Horse in WoW OMG AoC is a WoW CLONE!!!

  Seems to ne the obly way a game can't be a WoW clone is if you remove most of your choices/options. Races? you want races? You get to be human! Wahd you tink this some WoW clone?!

Originally posted by chaintm

 

Originally posted by Noktaris

The whole Warhammer,Conan fights are just silly and immature...I fully intend to play both games. I loved Both DAOC and Anarchy Online,so have high hopes that both Mythic and Funcom will release good games...I love PVE,questing,raiding,exploring...and I also love PVP.  I don't really see why people feel compelled to pick a side and then belittle a game they don't intend on playing.

 

Definitly agree, while I won't go play War, I do accept it will be a decent game, just not a game of preference for me. I know many go , omg another war vs aoc thread. It really isn't if you don't let it go that rout. So far with my postings here, I have not said anything negative about war, but why I don't find intrest in it. Others here have done the same, I don't see a flame war going on, but I am sure some will step in. The easy solution is , don't respond to those and only respond to those that are having a rational discussion.

 Your whole thread is nothing but a attempt to start a flame war really, No really what is its purpose otherwise? Saying WAR is a WOW clone is almost the most negative thing you could post.

  So you like AoC because it has pretty horses and even though you haven't beta tested it your willing to buy into all of Funcoms hype, urr ok, WHO CARES?!?!  

  If you were there at AO's release you know how badly Funcom will release a game. (made Vanguards release look wonderfull). Dispite that little fact of truth there I'm not out to Bash AoC. I full in well plan to try it once its out if the reviews aren't too bad. I will like wise probably try WAR once its out and reviewed by actual players, rather then buy all the hype,

  Mean time enjoy AoC but  stop trying to feed us your OPINION as if they were anything more then that, ie. You like AoC it will be the bestest, no you haven't played it but you got a message from someone that claims to be in the WAR beta, You seen a screen shot from WAR OMG you think its a war clone! AOC has pretty horse therefor all of AoC is gonna rock !(you just know it! I mean man look at the horses! Um ok so one will need  run vista and a top end system for that degree of detail but still Da pretty Horsies!) This truth you must spread to the whole world and enlighten the poor benighted fools that might want to try WAR 

Originally posted by rascalcmos

 

Originally posted by Kraenee

Just make it free and make money on the expansions. Works for Guild wars

pfff....comparing VG and Guild Wars...the retarded answer - like all your posts -from a dedicated whiner/basher....

 

If all you can do is bashing like a 10years old kid, please grow a brain and stop posting ont those forums....

 

 

 Well Ras is kinda right, GW is after all a much more stable, bug free, and fun game compared to Vanguard so the comparison of the 2 IS kinda flawed. End point of course by SOE's own admission players are still leaving VG much faster then they are coming in, so if SOE can't sell the game they certainly wouldn't be able to sell any expansions, which of course takes money and with less then 50K active subs it seems doubtfull VG is making much if any. (Most likely those of us paying station pass are the ones keeping VG alive weither we bother to play it anymore or not)

Originally posted by fromhun

Imo, it is impossible to announce at 2009, cause it would be a very very Bad Advertisment, I mean they release the game on 2009, they will say the Title a couple of months ago before the announcement ?

Thats stupid man, They should do it AT LEAST 1 year ago,  so people and fans would have enough time to talked about game, open websites, Discuss and Spread the name of the game, I think end of 2007 or beginning of 2008 is a good Date for announcment.

  Easy, as it won't be out by 2009. Every MMORPG Developer sets a date and every time that date slips or worse yet the entire project gets canned. Most MMO's tell you right up front what they are about, if you believe that Bioware will have their MMO out in one and half years and haven't even decided on a setting yet thats kinda scary 

"ON MY PERSON OPINION! American is less then 10% and we will only get lower.. but the facts show the more and more we sink into debt along with crime are gaming numbers will grow.. YOu know the age old saying, kids play games to escape the problems of today and school."

 Wow lots of hate for america in your post, Yes, yes I know we are a evil empire and the whole worlds gonna end in 2012.

Ok First your OPINION really means nothing unless you have facts to back it up. Sorry everyone has a OPINION yours is no more important then anyone elses without facts. Sorry to burst your bubble the world really doesn't revolve around you. (even if you are a american  )

 Now to the point you actually had facts. There are far more asian gamers then american true, but you forgot to point out most do not pay anything close to americans do for the games, or in subscription costs.  (go ahead goggle the price of say a wow sub in say china do the math with the currancy then compare it to what the average american pays in sub cost.) That is one of the reason the american market (evil crime mongering hate filled empire that we are  ) Is so important to most MMO companies.

  This is really a pointless thread. If Mythic opens their beta to 1,000,000 beta testers will they get them? Yes.

There are hundreds of thousands of players that will sign up for the beta that don't even care about WAR, just because they are looking for a F2P game. Some of them will attempt to get to whatever max level before beta ends so they can have bragging rights but of course probably won't file even a single bug report. Simply put alot players will join the beta knowing they will never subscribe (for whatever reason) Thus big beta does not equal big seller or even better beta tested (except when it comes to stress testing)

   Heck LotRO had 1 million beta testers with its world tour, but last I heard they still don't have 1 million active subscribers.

 Wow what a load of C#$% Whaaa you left I have no one to play with now, Its not SOE's fault  its yourss whaa.. SOE didn't screw you over and take a MMO that was stable and change it in a attempt to grab more money and more wow players.

 This guys either a part of the SOE SWG team, a troll or is soo pathetic its shamefull

Originally posted by METALDRAG0N

Ok concerning the old tired argument that some palyers have like 50 million skill points and you will NEVER catch up. True he may have 50 million   but while he is flying say a tech level 2 cruiser he wiill only be using the skills that are used to fly it and the skills that operate the modules on his ship which is probably like 40% of his total skills. You see he porbably ahs like 20 illion skillpoints dedicagted to flying the biggest capital ships like carriers which he is not using at allin piloting a small cruiser.

 

Meanwhile you will chose a race to specilise in and a ship and all your skillpoints will be used in that goal unlike the 50 million skillpoint player who probably has skillpoints dedicated to other races ships too [which he wont be using either].

 

Thats why a newb can with proper skill direction compete with a true eve vet with like 650 million skillpoints because his skill are spread to generall areas and yours will be more specilised.

 By the time you have your spec 20 million in a tech 2 ship guess what?? Yes the older advanced player will probably have tech 3(which is not out yet but you know will be in time) The advanced player will always have more points in battle unless (A) he totally disregards battle for say industry, and (B) you totally gimp yourself by going all battle and no other outside skills (I e you will never win the tech lottery to get nifty tech 2 Bp's you will never really get into the better ISK making fields etc.)

  Sure Eve has alot of interesting and fun things. Though the missions get old fairly fast, but don't buy the misleading hype that you'll be anywhere near able to take on a 4 year vet in battle in say less then 2 years time (assuming you stay focused and somewhat gimped and the vet spends thier SP's on every skill under the sun)

  If your gunna play, play with other goals then kicking Vets butts because while you might be a small time player in the big picture or just cannon fodder for some of the Vets corps you will never  be even, or able to take out a vet thats has half a brain. No its not the truth that CCP and some of the vets want you to hear but its the truth just the same.

 "Well having played this game since 2004 I have a few things I think people should know about EVE before they go out and pay $14.95US a month to play (When the servers are actually working that is) "

 Huh?? What do you mean you only pay $14.95 ? In America it cost $19.95 a month!! 

Originally posted by Supernerd

Originally posted by Sinkael

Originally posted by Supernerd
Everyone is making more money these days;if you're not, I suggest you ask for a raise.

Take a look around. Soon it'll be 2 quarters just to lick 1 stamp.
Heh, I always buy 4 Snickers Bars every morning from the 7 Elven; it used to cost under 3 bux.Now it costs me almost 5 bucks.
Hey i bought a $2.00 24 oz. bottle of Coke the other day and the machine didn't even have a slot for coins;it just had a slot  for singles...

Yes, prices go up, what you are missing is the value of those items. Has the added cost to the stamp added any value to the mail being sent out? Has the price increase on the Snickers caused them to taste any better? Did that bottle of Coke quench your thirsty more effectively? Chances are, the answer is no. Which is the main reason why I use e-mail now, why I don't eat Candy bars, and when I purchase a soda, I get a fountain drink or the "generic" version of whatever it is I am drinking.

  ...... it will be worth a price hike.

hey i prefer to call it pop and i drink from a bubbler okay? i live in the real world
im not trying to argue with you guys,i was just making a suggestion and hopefully,
IF Funcom decides to charge 19.95 a month
by that time you should be okay with it.
Cause it will be well worth it just like you said.

  Other then the name Conan and a combat system thats getting very mixed reviews AoC really doesn't offer anything new or even anything thats not done better then in many other current MMORPG's. I think you've been buying into the hype a bit too much. Hell tons of players thought VG was gonna be the greatest game ever and well look at it now. AOC may well be the same thing (Though I hope not) Till its live and till you've actually played it don't try and tell us all its the greatest and that we should willing pay twice as much because its in our benifit. 

Originally posted by kjemper

 

Originally posted by mxmissile

Eve would be so much better if you could actually land on the planets and walk around.  And also remove the ability to fly straight through them for that matter.

This game is not about walking around just so people like yourself can make avatars to "walk around with."  They are putting it in the game, but it will serve no practical purpose being limited to stations.  Those who choose not to use the feature will not be missing out on anything.  This is a space sim, not a failed SWG.  That, and I would love to see any game producer develop a game with over 20,000 planets in it and all of them be explorable just for folks like you that don't get the true purpose of the game.

 

/endrant 

 Ok I'll bite. What is the true purpose of this game since it seems you believe you know?

 Also why so much hate at players who want to walk around and explore planets?

 I admit I'm a noob but so far exploring space really doesn't seem that interesting ( Hey look my scanner found another dead space area. and look its another wave of pirates, just like the ones I fight in missions only I don't get any LP's) I hope I'm missing something and will keeping trying to find something a bit more interesting then the agent missions (which can get a bit dull when you get offered the same exact mission 3 times in a row sometimes)   

  And yes I know PVP can be fun (I live in low sec ) but I don't play EVE just to PVP.

  Cheers

  Its always interesting when SOE haters help empower SOE. Take VG for instance The SOE haters said "OMFG no we won't play because SOE is handling billing!" It is possible that had the SOE haters played and not scared away other players that Sigil would have had enough players to keep VG going, but perhaps ironically enough the SOE haters helped both kill sigil and get SOE another MMORPG for pennies on the dollar (and at 30 million thats alot of savings) SOE will now fix VG up and repackage it and yes make a profit off of it. Who knows once its fixed many SOE haters may even try it out if it gets good enough word of mouth.

  Now we see the same thing possibily happening with PoTBS. If PoTBS does not have enough money to keep running (say because of low player base partially caused by SOE haters) Then SOE will have a chance (as they did with VG) of steping in and taking over. Once again aquiring a MMORPG for almost nothing. SOE really should put the haters on its Chirtmas card list as it seems the SOE haters do more to help SOE then hurt it. Way to go guys. SOE says keep up the good work 

  On a side note is there any good game company? No really, seriously 

Turbine closed AC2 months after a expansion thats just as evil as SWG NGE

Funcom released AO in a buggy, broken, and unplayable state for at least 6 months and had players paying to beta. They even asked reviewers not to review the game in its current state back then as it was so unplayable (you know it made VG in beta look like a work of perfection even )

 Then theres Mythic, well they are owned by EA who has killed more MMORPG's then all the other companys combined.

   Just alittle food for thought.

 Please do post your proof about Turbins infamous heavy handed bannings. I've not seen anywhere that they did anything harsher then WoW.  So if you have info that shows they've done more then say Wow I'd like to see it (WoW having permabanned several thousand accounts and sueing a major gold seller)

Yet another "perception is reality" moment.  You personally don't perceive Turbine's heavy handed bannings, therefore in your reality, they don't exist.  Proof isn't easy to come by in this case, unfortunately.  It comes from experience of being in the MMORPG community for many years, and seeing various discussions on the topic.  You'll just have to take my word for it, or delve through the past 8 years worth of forum posts.

  Interesting that you know 8 years worth of forum posts and we should take your word as a experienced gamer in the MMORPG community yet you've only been a member since 6/07/07 ?  

  Sorry if that seems like a attack. The REALITY (admittedly based on limited facts) does not seem to support your perception. (which so far seems to only be based on your opinion).

" Take it or leave it but to me it seems there really are only 2 sides. The companies and players who don't want the gold farmers and players that buy the gold and keep the farmers in business on one side, and the gold farmers, players that buy gold, and those that just don't care on the other.

Neat, but you aren't exactly presenting an intelligent defense.  But I guess thats just your perception of reality ;). "

 You seem to have a problem telling the difference between your beliefs and reality. The two my friend I hate to break it to you are not the same.   

Lets see if i have this straight you believe that i am not presenting a intelligent defense. (this is because you say so, and you are?) but your perception/belief/opinion is somehow supposed to be my reality? (please reread your statement above as many times as needed) Have trouble with the godhood complex much?

 There are many parts of your post I could argue, like all gold farmers/sellers are in china and unable to post anything in english (wow how does all the gold seller spam ever get posted  ) or that the best way for a gold seller to change the rules that keeps getting them banned is to simply silently keep making new accounts to be banned again. but to what point you've already stated you don't need facts you have your reality (ie opinion)

  Sooo I have a great idea since you can change reality with your perception and being the self proclaimed pro-gamer out to protect us from all the evil companies (or is it just Turbine you want to proctect us from?) Then please change your perception of yourself so that you are a billionair then you can make your own game company and make us great fault free games with never a error !  

  While your at it you can sue the pants off evil companies like Turbine, and Sigil (oops too late its dead maybe Brad though for false advertising) and then SOE (there was that whole SWG NGE thing) and then Funcom (hey AO was broken and very much unplayable for the first 6 months it was out, and CCP (for the t20 dev/BoB cheating) and then of course sue Blizzard because they have for a fact banned tons more players then Turbine and are sueing a gold selling company so they beat Turbine out cold for heavy handed bannings etc.

  Seriously to everyone else, game companies do have faults and they do make mistakes but the "I hate this or that company and they need to pay!" rants some posters seem to almost revolve their life around IMHO is sometimes too much and needs to be taken down a notch or two. Companies do change sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. The people in charge of AC/Turbine 6 years ago are not (for the most part) the same ones in charge today. This is the same for SOE, or Funcom, CCP or many other evil companies. 

  Should we expect more, and ask for more from the companies we pay to game with? Sure. Should we carry vendetta's and try and bury the companies for past mistakes. well everyone has their own perception on that 

  Peace out