Originally posted by Lobotomist

Dudes ! Dudes !

- The game has over 200 hours gameplay worth of quests ( and that is mesured during quick play )

- Totally random loot system ala Diablo

- Sandbox gameplay

- RR Salvatore writen the story

 

And you complain about the price ?

 

Alas

What i find discusting is EA marketing comparing the game to Skyrim.

"Its better than Skyrim" the banner on this site says !!!

 

If they were smart , they should write "Its nothing like Skyrim"

Because :

1. Its not better than Skyrim

2. If I like Skyrim , than why should i play any other game ? Dont they know Construction Kit is being released.

 

Man these guys are so clueles

 

Anyway

KOA , great action RPG.

Not as good as Skyrim, but you can not play one game all the time !

 

 

 This ^

 Its not as good a Skyrim. You can only play one game at a time So get Skyrim.

EA advertising lies thats nothing new.

Originally posted by bmw66

Got to wonder who is gonna bend first.  I for one will buy both but there may be others who cant and can only buy one.

I wonder deep down if they are sort of waiting to see who drops the date first.  Releasing close to each other cant be good for business.

  Yes both GW2 and D3 are stalling, so they don't compete so to say. This is really obvious with D3's recent delay to remove identification scrolls, less so obvious with GW2.

  Right now the markets fairly crowded with games SW;Tor, Skyrim, kingdom of Reckoning, and Tera. like them or hate them D3 and GW2 are just waiting for a dry spell to max profits on release

   Don't see how CCP could dominate anything. After what 6+ years they are still working on "Flying in space" in Eve. One would think that would be the core mechanic of their game and something they should have figured out by release or least the first year..

 Dispite the spin CCP puts on it WoD won't be out for some time. Drink the cool-aid if you want.

Originally posted by Zefire

My advise to u kids.Dont fall in to fake facts.

They just want to get some players back because they are in a very bad position.

 If selling 2 million boxes in its first month with most still subscribed in the second month is a "very bad position" I would hate to think what position every other mmo but  WoW is in then.

[mod edit] Failure does not encourage variety. If SW:Tor failed then there would be very little to no money being invested into MMO's the money would be invested somewhere else showing more profit (movies, tv, gold, bonds etc.) In fact If SW:Tor does well this will bring more investors to MMO's willing to take a chance on something new/different.

   The OP should really think it through from a investors stand point maybe even research investnebrt trends rather then make blanket doom/gloom statesments because SW:Tor is not the sandbox game he wanted. 

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Tardcore

I think this article format is an excelent idea, and feel this first attempt brought up some very relevent criticisms about SWTOR. However it all becomes farce when I look to the right of the page see the big

8.7

near perfect rating. How could a game have such noteworthy flaws yet still recive such a steller rating?

 

 

 

8.7 is a solid "B" effort. Not even "B+", just "B". Not exactly a "near perfect rating".

On what scale?

this one?

10 - A

9 - B

8 - C

7- D

6- E

5 - F

4- G

3 - H

2 - I

1 - J 

 

You are quickly running out of letters there with G-J being imaginary grades

 

  By the same scale most middle american grade / high schools used to use at least. Less then 70% is D or failing. C is 70-80%, B 80-90% A is 90% to 100. I guessing most questioning this are from other countries or are younger as this was a somewhat old grading system (some 25 years ago for me at least)

Originally posted by oobla

Quite frankly I had my doubts as to what would happen in month 2 . I was convinced there would be a large drop off this has thus far failed to materialise with plenty of full servers and no low ones at peak times . I think the reason for this is because it appeals to people who enjoy single player RPG games . ToR to me is a single player rpg  game with mmo elements  which is the reverse of most mmos where story takes a back seat . I think whats happened is that ToR has attracted people that dont normally play mmos . Maybe some are StarWars fans and others are fans of games like Dragon Age or Mass Effect and perhaps went into the game not expecting any different to what they have got . The trick Bioware may have pulled off is spotting a gap in the mmo market . Still you cant argue with success and the game although it maybe not what many of us wanted ( I felt this myself ) it is indeed maintaining its numbers well into month 2 . Of course to retain that long term will require updates to the story on a regular basis .  

  You maybe right. If the number of players upset about unplanned downtime is any indictation then there are alot of people still wanting to play very badly. However the trick will be seeing how well Bioware / Ea keeps content coming in to keep players subscribed as leveling is very fast.

Originally posted by Jason2444

TOR

 

Retaining its subscribers

 

BAAAAHAHAHAHHAHA

 

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

  Well except for the 12 y/o's it bans bahahaha! ;)

Originally posted by LIOKI

I think maybe it's more of bioware getting on peoples last nerve then one single incident. If the only thing wrong was a single server downtime on friday night nobody would have said much. But we all know this just isn't the case and most players are getting fed up with the game and things like this just keep compounding the aggrevation.

  Please do explain, what other things getting on peoples nerves... Perhaps bugs that need to be fixed?

Damned if you do...

Originally posted by zWolf

Yup, I couldn't Belive that the Old Republic Shut the servers down on a Friday night... but not for a quick 'off and back on' server reset, oh no! This is the full 'Tuesday type' down for 6 hours off all night, thing.  Seriously!! Can BioWare really be that stupid!!!!! 

 

I guess it can.  

Now, they have thousands of former fans of the game, that have plotted all week, and wheedled time out of Wife, for some friday night play time with gamer friends. These fans of the game, are suddenly out on their ears, with nothing to do with their Cafeine filled heads, and un-able to fulfill weekend plans with gamer friends, what should they do to show their displeasure?

Why Cancel their subscription of course!  

no real loss, on the fan's side, they get to keep playing durring the time that they paid for, and if BioWare wins them back, then they can re-subscribe at any time, but in the mean time, the fan base can send quite the message by pulling their 'pleged' financial support by un-subscribing.

 

if BioWare looses several thousand sub's over this 'friday night patch' you can bet that they might try just a bit harder to do their maintenance patches on Tuesday, the way they SAID that they would next time.

anyway, here is my 'cancellation' details that I posted when I cancelled my sub.  Feel free to cut n paste it for yours - and may the force be with you!

 

--- 

 

You PLANNED a server maintenance on a Freaking WEEKEND!!!

 

Seriously?  that is like the most un-professional thing that an MMORPG could possibly do! 

 

WAY wrong guys, WAY wrong.  I have been planning on playing with friends all week, and you kill the game VOLUNTARILY on a Friday night? 

 

If the server goes down on a weekend, it should be due to some catastrophic event, Earth Quake, T'sunami, or Zombie Appocalyse, not because you want to install a patch!!! 

 

I'm so frustrated.  I figure the best way to show my frustration is to pull my funding for a bit.

 

Next time you want to shut down the servers on a weekend. PLEASE just pick another day! what happened to Tuesdays?  Can't you hit your scheduled maintenance days? 

 

I don't want to play a game in this state, maybe once you have ironed out the kinks that make you drop service on a prime playing time, I'll come back.

 

Till then, have fun re-setting servers on a weekend!

 

once upon a time, 

 

Jedi zWolf.

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 Do you really believe that? LoL

By the very nature of your post your not gonna cancil. Your upset because you really wanted to play but couldn't because the developers took the servers down to OMG fix something!

Had the bug hit you while you were playing you would have been here anyway complaining about how the game was buggy and the devs should be shot for not fixing it in a timely fashion.

  Sw:tor is not perfect, Bioware / EA aren't perfect. Life is not perfect. Thanks for the drama time to move on...

Originally posted by Littlebomb

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Littlebomb

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15386

 

 

Lesson Nine

 

He then suggested something even more controversial -- "Let 'em quit." He warned of making promises for features in patches that would never come to fruition (or do so far down the line the promises don't matter anymore.) "City Of Heroes taught me this before WoW -- a game that you finished and felt good and you'd re-up." But with other games "they quit because they'd stayed too long... the only way for them to escape was to demonize the game." 

 

His personal experience is that he'll drop in and out of WoW at a whim with no ill feeling. However, he didn't think it was relevant that WoW doesn't delete inactive characters -- the "namespace" freed by deleting characters makes them worth deleting. He warned gamers get dissatisfied "if it takes more than three tries before they can have a name that they want." 

 

Why do we need to blame anyone about a game?  Just move on with your life.

I think the reason you see alot of complaining myself included is because some people put alot of faith and expectations in this game and they're now let down by the outcome.

 

Also I had to buy a 2nd copy on Dec 20th because of some mistake Origin/BW made so I feel I stil lhave another month of complaining to do considering I dropped 120$ plus tax on these corporate tools.

 

The real blame should be placed on bad corporate structure that is literally slowly killing the USA. I just watched this about CEO's giving themselves bonuses even if they go bankrupt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDIVXuv_UNY&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ&index=2&feature=plcp

  Ah so you bought the hype, and drank the Koolaid and now your looking for someone to blame other then yourself for believing in advertisement 100%? Consider it a important life lesson learned. Nothing ever lives up to the hype.

  Yeah the coperate structure in the US sucks, but saying someone forced you to buy 2 copies of the game sounds more like denial, perhaps you should accept maybe just alittle of the blame there?

Originally posted by Littlebomb

Originally posted by itgrowls

 He dismissed those who had but didn't, and suggested that this stems from "forgetting our object is not to keep people as long as humanly possible, but to provide entertainment." When it comes to grinding, "they will do it, but they will hate you." 

 

WOW just wow, are you reading this fanbois? This is the reason why people like me refuse to play SWTOR because despite what he claimed here, SWTOR was based on the grind system and it is done so purposefully to keep you subbed for as long as you possibly can be. It's the same model as WoW uses to this day. Don't like questing we'll throw in some VO's even tho the whole game wasn't converted to VO's, just a solo questline. Don't like solo questline end game, we'll throw in some dailies and make that gear better then the crafted gear. See my point? The longer they can keep the subs coming the more they will claim success despite the design flaws, and if the players don't like it let them leave because ~they'll only be bashing the game anyways~ which is his second lie.

Demanding higher quality has somehow turned in some people's twisted minds into something terrible or wrong. And somehow we've been convinced as a society that being an informed consumer is somehow a bad thing.

well said

If people would actually read the whole thing he simply says.......consumers don't really know what they want.

My favorite part though is that they are'nt concerned with making a virtual world..........no wonder the game is so heavily instanced.

I saw more loading screens leveling to 50 on my shadow  than on every single player game I've played all year.

This is like reading a executives idea of what people want. Give them apples and oranges.....no bannana's though that's too many choices.

 

LOL at too many choices. I don't care what studies show..........choices are good.

  1) if you posted the part you ment rather then a snippet about deleting characters in WoW it might make more sense

   2) If you agree with the poster you quoted then you obviosuly have not played SW:tor and thus your opinion based on no experience is worthless. if you have played Sw:tor with its fast leveling you know you can't stand there and say the game was made to milk subscriptions with long grinds. making it to 50 in days for hardcores or in a single month for casuals is very possible.

  3) SW:tor was always advertised as a themepark never a sandbox why is it your disappointed after all this time it wasn't developed as a sandbox? like it or hate it . The sandbox crowd waas not the players SW:tor was developed for coming here and trolling about it not being a sandbox just makes us wonder where you've been all these years its been in developement.

  Do i agree with everything he said, no, but at the same time i do understand the world of gaming isn't a majority of hardcore players. Games are made for all types. Games like Diablo 3 are not made as deep thinking games but simply for hack and slash fun. Sw:tor is not a deep thinking game IMO nore totally hack and slash but somewhere inbetween. Most of us really don't have time between jobs and family anymore to go on 12 hour long dungeon raids or to live 24/7 in virtual worlds. EA/bioware went for the majority not the minority. (read lessen 10 I think it was) The world is made of all kinds of people and every game made is not made just for one player type. sucks when the games not talored to your play style . better luck next game.

Originally posted by itgrowls

 He dismissed those who had but didn't, and suggested that this stems from "forgetting our object is not to keep people as long as humanly possible, but to provide entertainment." When it comes to grinding, "they will do it, but they will hate you." 

 

WOW just wow, are you reading this fanbois? This is the reason why people like me refuse to play SWTOR because despite what he claimed here, SWTOR was based on the grind system and it is done so purposefully to keep you subbed for as long as you possibly can be. It's the same model as WoW uses to this day. Don't like questing we'll throw in some VO's even tho the whole game wasn't converted to VO's, just a solo questline. Don't like solo questline end game, we'll throw in some dailies and make that gear better then the crafted gear. See my point? The longer they can keep the subs coming the more they will claim success despite the design flaws, and if the players don't like it let them leave because ~they'll only be bashing the game anyways~ which is his second lie.

Demanding higher quality has somehow turned in some people's twisted minds into something terrible or wrong. And somehow we've been convinced as a society that being an informed consumer is somehow a bad thing.

  I'd have to say you obviously have never played SW:tor. the leveling is extremely fast (see recent Locast killed my SW:tor thread)  You can not possibly say they made SW:Tor to be a long grind because it just isn't. One can easily enough get one character to max level of 50 in one month (thus not having to subscrib)

   So your whole arguement that EA/Bioware made a MMO grind game / time sink that will keep you subscribed for as long as possible iss either lies or mis information from lack of any experience

  If you actually read the article you'd see he was stating high quality not grind is what they want. and while i can see how SW:tor maybe too themepark, not sandbox, not deep enough, or simply to lineir for some players. Saying its a grind to keep one subscribed as long as possible when leveling is so fast is just plan ignorant 

Not sure what deleting characters in wow to free up name space has to do with SW:tor?

Hype at leaast IMO is generally a bad thing. It builds player expectations up to the point that no game can deliver on. the fans that buy into the hype usually become the next wave of haters for the game. when it fails to deliver everything the fan believed it could be.

  Still Funcom has a really bad record of having some of the worst releases in history. I'll happily keep TSW underhyped and under the radar till its released and actually has something to show for itself. Hopefully it will surprise us, but with Funcom I'm not holding my breath.

Originally posted by Bunks

you know the hater term is really a sign of lower intelligence or severe insecurity.

I was pretty much a fanboi of the game till it went all wow so you can give it a rest now. Fact remains, this game costs big bucks to play, and I am old enough to remember when a product wasn't up to snuff, the company redeemed the customer of "IT"S" lacking performance. In other words, they took responsiblity for it. But with people like yourself making excuses for them, we have now entered a new phase in product quality, snake oil for sale, non refundable.

  Ah so you follow a game you don't play and hate and seem to enjoy posting your dislike about and its me calling you a hater that shows lower intelligence. Meh however you chose to waste your time mate your insults don't really make you look any more intelligent then any other random unknow poster on the internet dispite what you think.

As to big bucks to play, really? Guess your really old if 50 cents a day is big bucks. (granted I don't know how much it is in euro's)  Funny a 2 hour movie rental cost more then that. Go out to the movies for 8 dollars far more.. Rather then take a page from your book and start with the insults lets just compliment you on being very frugal? 

Originally posted by Donanit

Sadly i bought game time until mid march.

This game is run by inexperineced and careless clowns.

I like the game even with all the bugs, mostly because of Star Wars theme and because is something fresh after WoW and all the crap out there. What i hate is the way the act, careless versus customers, even worst versus European players.

I know it's just 40 cents a day, i don't care, i pay and i want to play. I pretend an efficient service. These morons don't even say why they put down the servers (and anyway, tuesday there will be 8 more hours downtime, why couldn't they wait until tuesday to apply something?)

FY Bioware and EA, i'm goning to use Torrent from now on to play your games....

  Oh my!

"The I love the game sooo much, I hate you for patching it, and not letting me be able to play for one day. So i'm gonna pirate it so you can never patch it again because I'm entitled at 40 cents a day that I'm not gonna pay while I'm pirating it" 

response!

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by elocke

STO servers are down this morning too...have been almost every day this week...how come you aren't griping about that?  

Well for one, the game is free and second, it's down for an hour at off times.

 

To be honest, the old saying, a fool and his money are soon parted, but when it comes to star wars fans, I consider it a thing of justice.

 So you spend time following a game you hate and don't play rather then play a game you do enjoy. Color me not surprised about the haters life.

Still playing SW:tor somewhat causually (no more then 40 hours a  week)  still having fun. The downtime from 1am to 5 am PST was pretty much at a off time for me. Pretty sure its not anywhere near prime. They patched and fixed some problems. beats other game companies like SOE EQ2 that still have some of the same bugs from years ago. 

 Well at last the OP has stopped calling everyone here a idiot and stating he's the only intelligent person on the board. Nice to see he's checked his hollier then thou you all can burn in hell attitude that was modded out of the locast thread. Nerd rage its a very ugly thing. 

 If a player can be join every faction and see everything then there really is nothing special about ones choices.

 IMO a poor choice by the designers that cheapens any kinda of choice on makes. and kills replayability. At least Bethesda Developers were smarter then that, and I'll wager Kingdoms won't sell or do nearly as well as skyrim