Originally posted by Cecropia

 

Nobody knows if the game will survive, only time will tell. I certainly have no regrets forking over the cash for this game. 

I did it twice two months ago. Once with Darkfall, and once with Fallen Earth. FE was cool, just not for me. One outta two isn't too bad.

 Its a simple fact you state, but to me it speaks volumes more about the game then all the "Darkfall is the bestest game ever" threads I've seen posted here.

Originally posted by Vucina

Number  of posts here definitely proves that Darkfall is at least most popular game on the market!

 Forumfall has always been a popular game at least since the white border thread ;)

 Fun games are played. A gamesforum popularity does not mean the game itself is good. I'm sure many that post here have never even tried Df. Thus number of posts is meaningless

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by krieblood

Originally posted by Ruyn

Since it is blatantly obvious that Darkfall is currently the best MMO on the market, what are you doing to communicate to some of the bigger companies in the the Genre to make their own games better to be able to compete with Darkfall's features?

 

 

What when did this happen and are you High or something DFO is horrible.

 

I listed a bunch of points (and can list a bunch more) of why I think it is the best.  Please go through and refute them all.  Don't come in here all high and mighty when you bring nothing to the table.

  What you didn't list is any reaasons or better yet facts to prove that it is "Blatantly obvious" or "Established" "that Darkfall is the best MMO on the market "(currently) You did post your very subjective view on the game which truely means nothing really. I mean really who are you? Why should we trust you that Df is the bestest ever? For all we know your Tasos or one of his many professional beta testers that made sure the game was bug free at launch. Your mom might care what you think but most of us would prefer facts.

  Sorry but so far all facts show your thread topic and Op statement to be so much BS and hype.

  So answer me this WHO established Darkfall is the best game on the marke, was it Tasos maybe?

  Just out of curiousity, With any form of truthfullness and touch of reality how can you say a game with less then 20k subscribers is the best on the market? Obviously alot of people disagree. In fact i'd be hard pressed to think a MMO i've played thats ever had less then 20k subscribers? Perhaps Shadowbane before it closed down, but even Ashrons call last i heartd had more then 20k subscribers. Simply put if Darkfall is really all that good why are so few people playing it? Its not like Taso and many of the more rabid fans haven't preached enough about it. The fact that Df fans continue to feel the need to post falsehoods like "Darkfall has been established as the best game currently on the market" is just sad.

  Its a nitch game for a select few, that really isn't anymore hardcore or special then several other games already out on the market.  Truely if you looked the world over you'd probably find at least 20k people who find watching the spin cycle on a dryer entertaining. So really Df is just a different stroke for different folks

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by parrotpholk

If this expansion was tested like the main game it doesnt matter what you call it because it wont work properly and it will be the nail in the coffin.

 

Tested?

Tested?

Funny.....you don't look new.....

 Don't be silly of course its been tested! AV has throughly tested the new expansion with their paid "professional" beta testers, as well as having had their Advanced AI bot it. The Expansion is 100% feature complete, bug free, and more fun to play then any other expansion put out months after their release! (much like DF itself was at launch.)

  So the NA DF servers launch tomorrow huh? (Last i heard July 7 was the date, and the fans swear that AV will not miss their 2008, urr oops launch date.) Remember AV/Tasos will never make a release date they can't make. (asTasos himself has said)

  Also remember what Tasos always says "Players don't know what they want" only Tasos knows what players really want. (oh wait if thats true then why the changes?)

 Oh well AV's nerfing the mobs because i guess the DF players really weren't that hardcore after all. Autocrafting for the win~! Because your not really hardcore unless your skilling up AFK!

Originally posted by downtoearth

nope i stop playing cause everyone is ass hats in that games lmao xD not because of the game it self. even i found out open pvp isnt really my style of gameplay.

ill give aion a try and see if its any better than wow

 Wait you stopped playing the greatest game in the world that has the best community in the world as you allued to back in 2008?

 Please no! Remember your hardcore! All of us that don't play DF are carebares remember your own rules. We all need to go back to WoW and Aion. (as Seamcad can only imagine us playing those games he sees as fluff) ) Only you and others like you are hardcore enough to hold your heads high and play the bestest game ever, lead by Tasos, and AV!

  Seriously I do hope the DF fanbois that lied (weither about the game, Tasos, AV, the DF community), and raged on anyone that had any doubts about DF. Stay in that "greatest game ever" of theirs. For IMO they truely deserve each other, and have made their own beds so to say. (Keep ganking, hacking, exploiting, and AFK skilling!)

  Also if the diehard rabid fanbois like Darth, Downtoearth, Imbant, and Egg don't continue to support AV, Tasos, and DF who else will? Are you rabid fans really ready to let your "best game ever" die so quickly? (After what only 4-5 months?!) I mean you can log well over 2000 posts in a year to shout down and mock anyone with doubts, but you can't continue to pay a year subscription and stay true to the game you so severly hyped and defended day and night over a year (s)?? Remember DF has POTENTIAL. Keeep sending your money to Tasos keep the dream alive. Now go out there and buy your second account on the NA server now!

  Oh and the White border is GOOD!

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

You know what's sad if you're right?

You just proved Darkfall is not home to the most hardcore pvp'ers but a bunch of Withering Nancy's.

Correspondent's of other games take as much shit, if not more, as the DF correspondents do/did.

Hell, AmazingAvery gets ripped a new one at least twice a week in the AoC forums, yet he's still there.

Everytime I read someone who rages on this game, no matter how hard I try I can not help but think that these people who rage on it are playing one of the following games

WoW, WAR, LoTR or Aion

which I find hysterical to be honest.

 Humm I've personally seen AmazingAvery's post be attacked on personal levels by DF fanbois posters. I can't say I've seen him post here attacking DF fans maybe i missed it. <shrug>

 Ok I'm not really sure what your mental inability to think of players that don't  like DF playing Eve, DAoC, Linage 2, EQ etc has to do with anything really. It just makes you look mentally... limited. But sure what the heck please keep posting statements that make you look like a ... Ah NM  your not worth the ban :)

  Your factless assumptions are sad to the point they are almost funny, honest.

Originally posted by vazghoul666

If you don't enjoy levelling, don't play RPG's. That IS the game. What are you wanting to be max level for? That's when the game ends. Don't tell me raids, PvP, or other nonsense. The journey IS the game, and if u find it boring, play an FPS, or RTS. Stop whining about levelling.

your half right...an rpg is about advancing your character, however your talking about enjoying for example 1-49th level in a 50 level rpg.  all the equipment etc youve collected becomes obsolete at 50 so taking your time enjoying the grind and equipment farming that is going to become obsolete is a waste of time.  the object truely is get to 50 because that is really when the game actually begins 1-49 is a end to a new beginning.  thanks for your input though i appreciate you chiming in your .0002 cent and declaring me a whiner when all i have made is solid valid points.

 Ok per your example you have reached level 50 you will get no more skills, levels, talents, or even better equipement from now on out. How is that exactly when "The Game actually begins"? What exactly then is there left to look forward too a month or 2 of top end contentand then just do the same content again and again and again? gee and you say the level grind is boring?

  Fortunately for the rest of us you forgot one important thing. fairly soon after you hit 50 (if the designers are any good) The level cap will be raised to 60 or higher to prevent the game from dying of stagnantion. So in effect the game will always be about the journey and you my friend will never be happy unless the developers basically say ok this is it max level XX we aren't doing anything more or developing this game any further! (ie the end)

  I think the problem is here your not looking at all angles and really thinking things through. it really sounds like your so busy trying to get to the top that you missed the point and are more then alittle burnt out because developers keep raising Caps preventing you from being Most uber end game guy for any real length of time. My apologies if that came across harsh.

   Don't feel bad i remember reading abunch of angry WoW players complaining when the first expansion came out and they had to start grinding for the Phat loot again. (Somehow they thought once they maxed out in the original they would just always be at max?)

  IMO and yes it is just my opinion, once a game stops having goals to aim for (ie you are max level, have the best gear, skills maxed out seen/done all the cool content at least once etc.) the game is over. Of course i've seen others whose idea of fun is standing on top of a mail box in a crowded town in thier uber gear dancing. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Moodah

I think the legendary quote "oppinions are like assholes - everybody has one" fits this thread perfectly.

 

 agreed

 

You could equally well say that about Tom Paine's 'The Rights of Man'. Oh, google it.

 Really is that the best you could come up with? Keep dodging the point your very good at it.
 

Originally posted by Rydeson

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by Rydeson

Too funny.. even Tom Nichols from Bioware has labeled the game "KoTOR 3, KoTOR 4 and KoTOR 5 in one"..... lmao

 

And somewhere else it was mentioned they would have all of the features of a AAA+ MMO or something along those lines...

 

WHICH is logically impossible.. or Bioware is lying thru their teeth..   I too hear Bioware saying it will have some traditional mmo stuff, but then turns around says that there will be no grinding.. etc etc.. no crafting.. .. wait.. maybe a lil crafting but no player economy.. Everything I hear from Bioware anymore is like listening to a politician.. They will say whatever they need to say to get approval to whatever audience they are talking to..

 Please do tell how with the little information you have things are Logically impossible? (are you Psychic, have advanced degrees in computer programming and game developement etc?

All I see is you saying you don't understand how it works with the little information you have so it must be impossible. ie and the world is flat, man will never fly, etc etc. Don't be a moron, and stop with the Bioware is lying to us conspiracy theorys already. The game can be Kotor 1-7 and still be a great MMO, just because you can't understand how something works doeesn't mean it can't. (I'm not a mechanic, i don't really understand how my car works past the simple parts yet it does. Once again are you a game developer, programmer etc? If not then theres probably alot of things you don't understand to be making broad statements such as it being logically impossible)

  If and when the game fails after its release some years from now you can come back and say I told you so all you want, in the meantime your just making yourself look like a bad.

Originally posted by Moodah

I think the legendary quote "oppinions are like assholes - everybody has one" fits this thread perfectly.

 agreed

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by LimaBravo

Originally posted by aleos

Originally posted by Rydeson

     I've read and watched many interviews and post by Bioware. NOW I SPECULATE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I assume----------------------------------------------------------------------BLAH---------------------------------------------------BLAH-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BLAH--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i think---------------------------------------------------------------------BLAH-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i dont really know what im talking about---------------------------------------

  You deserve manhugs thats just an awesome tranlation of OPs nonsense trolling.

 

 

 

Really? You don't think it was a rather leaden and childish insult to a poster making a valid point with which you have no answer but abuse? Guess not.

 Since the OP didn't actually have a fact based / informed point and instead was just voicing his personal opinion / thoughts / speculation. I'd say the response was justified. Untill he has actually played the game he really doesn't know what he is talking about does he?

The response somes up the truth about the OP's post. Its "speculation", on things he "thinks", and "assumes" to be correct per his opinion. He certainly doesn't have the answer I don't and neither do you. The difference between you, me and him is he states as fact the game is not a MMO. His choice of titles for this thread to me does not seem like he wants to discuss, but has instead made up his mind on very little information and is set on spreading the word of what this MMO is (in his mind anyway)  without really having any information to base his arguement on. 

Originally posted by Arthineas

I would love to see Brad Mcquaid get back into mmorpg development.  He has good ideas and I believe he can make a good game.  Almost everyone agrees that the early days of EQ were the best, which was the time when he was around.  Vanguard while plagued with technical issues in the beginning had alot of great ideas.  It is a pretty good game.

Well as long you and others like you are willing to invest heavily in his next company / MMO I'm sure he'll be happy to do his part. So how much of your hard earn money do you believe in Brad?

Originally posted by olddaddy

Originally posted by Urael

www.bradmcquaid.com

"After the sale, Brad decided to take an extended break from games development and is currently pursuing his hobbies and spending time with friends and family. That said, as of late, he’s starting to get that itch again..."

I thought some may actually be interested seeing this.

 

Brad has friends.......?

 

 Well sure when one has as much money as he got on the buyout deal of Vanguard, and a Lucrative consulting contract with SOE, you'll always have friends even if you decide to screw your former employees (ie sigil) and go on vacation while they are left in the parking lot getting their pink slips.

  Yep Brads the Man!

Originally posted by Wycliffe

I hope Brad McQuaid gets another chance. Vanguard shows that he still has some great ideas; just don't let him manage another company.

Vanguard, and EQ for that matter show he has a great ablity to take other peoples ideas (from MUD's etc) and pass them off as some great vision of his own.

Originally posted by Urael

www.bradmcquaid.com

"After the sale, Brad decided to take an extended break from games development and is currently pursuing his hobbies and spending time with friends and family. That said, as of late, he’s starting to get that itch again..."

I thought some may actually be interested seeing this.

Interesting, does it say if he's kicked his hydrocodone addiction yet?

Originally posted by andmiller

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

you still don't get it do you the fun thing about gaming is winning

people dont want storys or any of that bs people want to sit down and play a hard game and win that is why tons of people played swg it was hard and when you won you got some of the greatest rewards ever the biggest being the reward for you to become a jedi knight

people want pvp and lots of it that is why aoc failed as rather then go and be a pvp game now they are letting the carebears run that game into the ground

bioware owes all of us a good pre-cu game and tor should be that game and i along with 250k of my friends demand that bioware give us that game

we took down $OE do you really think ea and bioware would stand a chance and after this whole left 4 dead 2 thing believe me ea doesn't have all that long

Is there a way to nominate a post for most delusional of the year?

And I've said it before, if these game mechanics keep players like this away, then count me in.

 I think the Poster was being sarcastic, and that people are simply missing the sarcasm in his post.

#1) 250K being a very small number of people in terms of all MMO gamers currently out there, but also being the number most delusional SWG precu/nge fans/vets think SWG would still have in subscribers today if they hadn't changed. While Bioware might be ok with 250K subs i think they are aiming to break out of the 250K once upon a time, SWG niche crowd. (I hear theres some kinda SWG precu emulator out for that market these days anyway) 

#2) The demand that Bioware a company that had nothing to do with SWG somehow "owes" the players a SWG PRE-CU game being another jab at many of the posters here.

#3) and of course lastly the Whole "We took down $OE" comedy that many SWG vets somehow still believe. Just as they believed SWG would close last year, and the year before that, and next month etc etc. over their outrage as they have posted again and again. (Comedy gold really)

Originally posted by Elikal

 

 

You know the thing is, I am not entirely sure about this. I am roleplayer for 25 years, in the german "D&D" The Dark Eye. I loved story driven CRPGs like Ultima a lot. So yeah, I love RP and I love story.

STILL: going into a MMO is a bit a different matter. I have played EQ2 and SWG for years it they were quite devoid of story. Well, outside of the very basic figleaf of a story. And I was contend. Sure, you can tell me, lets bring it to the next step. And I did enjoy those book quests in LOTRO with really deep, moving stories a lot. BUT: They were only a relatively small part in the overall gameplay.

What you read seldom here is, people admitting they also enjoy "the grind". Or "the hunt" as I call it. Just meet some guys and go out in some forest, some hunted manor, some forgotten mine and kill stuff and fight your way through. No story needed. That is somethng I find soothing after a hard days work, when I just don't have the concentration for an epic, Shakespearean story. And thats my No.1 questionmark here. Will a MMO not be overburdened with so much emphasis on some heroic story, a game which claims to be always heroic and never grindy?  Do I want that? Will I enjoy that? I am not sure, really. Maybe. But so far I always have enjoyed my MMOs versatile and not focussed on one narrow idea, no matter how nice the idea was. We havent seen a single MMO succesful which was narrowed on one idea. Now it may be, as I hope, just PR blah blah that they tell so much about story.

Now sure, you can place 50% open world and say "here is where people CAN group". Or say "your Jedi friend can aid you in your Smuggler story". But WILL people do that? How will you make people do that? What mechanics encourage grouping and community building. Because honestly I do not think people join you just out of kindness. I just have this nagging fear I am going to feel VERY alone in this game after a brief time of fun.

 Really you don't believe people group out of kindness? I feel very sad for you you must not be in a very good guild. I personally group out kindness frequently. I frequently help other groups in EQ2 that need a update not because they are paying me, or even because I'll get some loot or personal gain. I would consider it kindness. last night on the Befallen server there was a guild forming a pickup raid not for their own profit, but to get people through parts of VP for their epics. I would never join a guild made of players that ONLY ever join in a raid or group if it suits their own needs.
 

  Your still skirting the fact that in many MMO's (eq2 etc) one can solo all the way to the end, but if one does so they will miss out on some of the best parts. I've not seen anything posted by Bioware say players can solo everything. So in this case SW:TOR is not really any different then many other MMO's out.

  In the end the point your missing is Star Wars is all about the STORY. Jedi vs Sith, etc etc its the story that brings people to the IP not just mindless grinding or PvP. If you don't like story then really any game with repetative grinding and some PvP will fit the bill you have outlined in this thread. Why not just stay with EQ2 it has everything you find important minus that icky story stuff you don't seeem to like.

   Background, atmosphere, Immersion, Lore, Story they are all linked to a certain extent. SW:TOR as I see it is not aiming to be a Strategic MMO, but a RPG MMO (RPG's being what Bioware does best) How do you get the imersion of playing a Jedi or Smuggler etc in the SW universe without story? Do you really want another MMO were you just run up to NPC with big glowing question mark over there head click on them, don't read script run out and kill 10 more rats? If so your in luck as plenty of them seem to already be out to serve your game playing needs.

Originally posted by NecroHelium

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by NecroHelium

I play EVE... and while very sandbox it is not remotely close to the kind of sandbox that people keep trying to push on the mmo genre.

 

A sandbox is a sandbox. Get over it.

 

Are you really just trying to troll or are you actually serious???  Have you played Ryzom???  Not even remotely the same style of game as EVE, but both are sandbox.  Quit being such an asshat.

 He's just trolling. He makes up his information as he goes along, posts it as proof,and insults a few posters for fun trying to get them riled up. Overall just a troll trying to get a cookie. Some people were born asshats, others had to work at it their entire lives.
 

Originally posted by Netzoko

It blows my mind how out of touch developers are with the MMO base. With literally the biggest IP in the world, their focus is NOT what gamers have hated about mmos for years. No no, they will contiune to shovel the bullshit, but will now have STORY!

Are you kidding me? The level of absurdity is making my brain swell. People hate classes, they hate levels, they hate watered-down gameplay and grind. Does BioWare plan on address these -universal- complaints? Fuck no, to them the problem with MMOs is story? My mind is utterly blown. From forum to forum across the internet, followers are asking the same basic questions. Whats pvp like? Whats pve like? How are the classes? What is the item system like? Yet over and over, every single dev blog and release is about story. I just can't wrap my head around the unsurpassable amount of ignorance by the dev teams. You would think that seeing the failings of supposed "blockbuster" MMOs like Aoc and WAR would send a message, but no. Alas we continue to be insulted by developers who ignore the -KEY- issues people have with the genre, and instead focus on something utterly worthless.

Newsflash jackasses, your customers arn't upset with lack of story, they are upset with the cookie cutter MMO template that money grubing bandwagoners like you continue to reiterate and expect to sell.

 Wow Drama much Netzoko?  Lets point out that "MMOs like Aoc, and WAR" were never about "Story" so your throwing in useless points in your rather absurd post.  Also players Do care about story, maybe you don't and just want the same old camp and grind? While your in your nerd rage tizzy lets point out also SW:TOR is not due out for another 2 possilby 3 years, there is not all that much info to build a solid case on, but that never stops some from trying to show themselves as much more knowledable then the developers.

  You don't have to play SW:TOR if you don't want no ones twisting your arm so vote were it counts with your wallet, but we all know that dispite your Nerd rage "OMG the Dev are SO dumb" Drama post here you'll be the first one playing if it is good. Your just being a immature child in that you want all the information now 2 years in advance, and your scared shitless that SW:TOR might not be the dream MMO that fits into YOUR playing style and expectations (weither that be just another SWG PRE-CU/NGE clone etc like many others here seem to want or not)

  If you really believe the Devs are "Money grubing bandwagoners" and "Jackasses" as you state then I really have to wonder why your following the game and posting as you have to know nothing you post here will have any effect at all.