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 So they fired the guy in charge of naming DLC, Who knew coming up with a decent name for fantasy/adventure DLC was so hard???

  Seriously though they used to charge what 45-60 dollars for a expansion that had close to 90 hours or more of content now they want to charge $15 for a whole 1-2 hour content patch?


 Yes sex is simply added to games.

The WItcher is a very well loved series of games with #3 highly waited for. All of them have simply had a lot of sex. sure its not the main goal of the game but its very hard to miss weather its the act itself or the cards one gained for doing it in the witcher 1 etc.

Was the sex some great meaningfull romantic plot line? Mainly not it was simply sex. I rest my case. 

Nothing to see here, my bad time for some coffee :)

Ok cutting through all the walls of text personally I'm not kickstarting this game so I'll stop commenting, but I think its safe to say anyone who believes everything the developers are sating at this point are in for some disappointment.

  Its a Long time from now till launch, plenty of time for things to be changed, deals to be made, and features to be dropped at the devs discretion.  What is P2W is frequently different in Developers minds and the players. Hell there is certainly no sure way of knowing the game will even ever make it to release, but if nothing elkse at least MMORPG.COM is making a mint of Crowfalls HUGE advertising push. Yeah Team!

Originally posted by Horusra
but the only way people will know they exist is to advertise......or do you want to keep it a secret only spread through word of mouth?

 So with all the free articles, and announcements on Crowfall over the last month your still going with the no one will know about it because its a well kept secret card???????


  Or is the truth more that the game can't stand on its own merits without thousands of dollars worth of full pages all over the internet forcing attention to it?

Originally posted by Parepin

In the past I saw many other games have Kickstarters.  I knew each would burn their playerbase.  I was right.

I backed this one because Crowfall has an allstar team behind it.  They have Shadowbane behind them.  They have UO behind them.  They have Warden.  The one person who invented "Play to Crush".

This is an Allstar team.  If they screw this game up there is no hope and we should all play WoW.

Sooo, you think allstars don't want paychecks?? That fact that they are lying saying they need money to build the game then before the kickstarter is even done taking out 10's of thousands of dollars in full page month long adds all over the internet to try and con... ur convince more people to give their poor game stubio more money (perhaps to pay for more advertising) Doesn't throw up any red flags to you?


Lets see.

Short notice, Check!

Little to no previews, or information, Check!

High Price, check!

That would generally add up to..... Money grab, for poorly made, rushed out the door DLC!

If people complain they will just apologise and say they learned their lesson. People will lick it up just as they did with Day 1 DLC, and DA2, and continue to buy EAoware products


 Ok Bill lets just see if we understand you. "in recent years" as you put it, equals the last decade or more??
Originally posted by sludgebeard

I see Crowfall getting a ton of flak for advertising their game on, and alot of people claiming this is their first step to "Going Corporate" or "Selling out". This is just not true. Paid Ad's do literally one thing, raise attention. The fact that their game has been able to gather 1.3 million in funding BEFORE the Ad's broke is amazing. 


Again, think about it, they have only been running the MMORPG ad for their last week of Crowdfunding. This isnt to just get more money, this is to sustain the game's interest and attention past the kickstarter. I mean we know most of us on here have heard of Crowfall a ton over the past few months, but what about the people who only visit this site once a week or once a month. Again this is just a move to generate interest, and they have already taken a ton of money out of pocket to make this game. 


I would just like to add that although I do hope Crowfall makes it big upon release, I am not jaded enough by my own interests to understand where people are coming from. Yes this is the first time alot of us are seeing paid Ad's for a kickstarter. What alot of us have to accept is that, this is the way MMO's are going. Big companies are moving out, so companies with less money need to find other avenues to make their games. 


Crowfall doing a paid ad is no different than LEage of Angels, or whatever the hell that shitty game is called thats always up on the banner. The only difference is Crowfall doesnt need big pixelated Tits to sell their product. 



 The big difference is those crappy games like League of angels are actually released they are not begging and saying please give us money so we can make our game, after of course paying a lot of that money to the advertisers.


 As someone put in another thread if you have two beggers one working a street corner, to get money and the other taking out several full paid adds on the internet begging for money who do you think really needs the money the most?? Crowfall is appearing more and more like a scam.


 Saying the adds are not there to get more money as you seem to be saying is utter BS. They have had plenty of Free attention from articles and such week after week. Paid Full screen adds just yell money grab, for a publisher that obviously isn't hurting that much for money if they can blow it on advertising all over the internet. What's next a full page add in the wall street journal. Yeah they are really hurting bad for money to develop the game. (not!)

Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Quizzical

"Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.


are you just making things up?

It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?


I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)


So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF.

Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

How weird! A game that you defend with all the fervor of the fanboism you're always ascribing to others! Well, at least it's nice to see that you can sometimes like and not hate,


But yeah, when you're portraying yourself as pinching pennies to fund "stretch goals," champagne, caviar and filet mignon consumption shouldn't really be flaunted... and neither should advertising.


Its absurd that you called every ad in existance "begging"

Zenimax are also begging when they advertise right? Its very fishy, company that supposedly made ton of money on ES is BEGGING for money to play ESO

them beggars are EVERYWHERE!

But hey, its your "opinion" lol

Don't forget WoW. 

Oh, god, yeah, those guys advertise so much, they are biggest BEGGARS EVAR!

They are literally begging on every corner. Its like whole network of beggars really

But thats logic for you, the more money you make, the bigger beggar you are


 Because of course both WoW, and TESO are early ascess or kickstarter games that haven't been released yet, or maybe you have lost track of the threads point? (assuming you or the other posters there even ever understood it.)


Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Quizzical

"Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.


 See the add for Crowfall plastered all over this site. I'm sure its being paid for and its currently just a kickstarter. So where are they getting the money to pay for all these MMORPG.COM adds to get people to fund their kickstarter ? (or to put it another way how much of their kickstarter will be going to pay their advertising debts??)

Originally posted by Avarix
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi


Ten years ago you would be ridiculed if you tried to fool people like this... the industry really has gone to dung!


The fault lies with the audience, not the industry. If players didn't allow, or even encourage, this then it wouldn't be happening so much.

 The World is full of bored, stupid people, with too much money??


Originally posted by Osmanthus

The kickstarter earlybird for Crowfall ends today (23 hours from this post).   The game will be $50 when it releases at the end of the year with no beta access.  Spend less, get more, be a backer!

Only 23 hours left as of this post! 

You ASSUME it will be released, or that it will even be worth playing in the many years from now when it maybe released

Originally posted by Vrika
To sum it up: You're complaining that the world changed against your wishes?

+1 this.

Life is change...

Things that will not or can not change generally become extinct

Originally posted by MightyUnclean
This game sounds great to me, on paper.  Why do you think the Kickstarter only raised $400K out of, what, $800K?  Was it lack of advertising?  Not enough disgruntled old guys like me who want this type of game?  Other games like Crowfall are still funding, so I guess it's not that the crowd funding types are burnt out yet...

 It failed because brad and company at the time had really nothing to show but some faint Ideas. It failed because even if they had made the 800K mark none of it was going to go toward further development of the game but instead to back pay Brad and maybe get some office space, or maybe it just failed because Brad couldn't even be bothered to turn off his cell phone during live streams to raise interest and money in the project. (Hell if the lead guy doesn't even care why should anyone else)

  It was a scam then and probably still is, What money they got from players that went ahead and pledge privately was supposed to go to maintaining a a website for the game (obviously websites do not normally take over 100K to maintain. In the end most of that money brad went ahead and took without the teams knowledge to pay himself back pay. When the team at that time found out they quit and brad paid what little was left them in back pay.


  Brad now has a all volunteer team of inexperienced programmers working for free on their spare time to make the game. Is it gonna be the greatest game ever or even ever be released? Use your own experience to decide yourself, but generally speaking having kickstarter to get office space, and back pay yourself while you hope a angel investor buys into your ideas so you can actually start working on them will spell failure.

Originally posted by Vrika

If Sword Coast Legends is somehow a threat to EQN's advantage, then that advantage was lost back in 2002 when Neverwinter Nights was released.

 EQN has a advantage?? Last I heard a fairly large chunk of their team was laid off, they stopped working with storybricks, and are not even in closed beta yet, with more then a fair amount of their projected content planned to be made from players currently paying to beta Landmark.


  I'd say Sword Coast Legends at least has the advantage that it most likely will be released, EQN still seems on pretty shaky ground in that respect. If Daybreak can't get it out soon and make a good profit off it, it will be cut.

Originally posted by Kaladin

I think it's positive.  It adds a further dimension to pvp combat that is rarely seen in other games.  And you certainly would avoid the disco floor of other games.  Teamwork is heavily rewarded with this feature.


Would it be too much to assume the players would know about this before getting the game?

 It will certainly make griefers happy. Just think join a group wait till they are in battle and friendly fire them to death. If they complain laugh it off, simply lie and say it was a accident.

  Do players items drop when they die if so, I can see a lot of griefers exploiting this.

 To bad the game probably would have been better then the disappointment that ME3 turned out to be and far better then the steaming pile that ME4 is likely to be. 
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Alber_gamer

Very disappointed to hear this. I was considering to check GW2 out again, since I haven't played it for one year or so, and in theory it was a B2P game that I already paid for in full. I was given the idea that the game was financing itself thanks to the people who buy wedding dresses and other cosmetic stuff, making it the most ideal and perfect income model ever designed by mankind. At least that's the story that GW2 whiteknights were selling in these same boards. Turns out it's all lies now and I have to pay if I want to enjoy the B2P game I already paid for.

Honestly, I don't care if they offered it for free during two weeks. I bought the so called B2P game, and I want to play it when I can or when I feel like it, not when it is convenient for them. Oh well, it just saves me the time of downloading it and bothering with it, and whatever cash I could have potentially spent in the game if I had liked it. Suppose I'll get a couple of champion skins in League of Legends instead.

It's kind of pathetic that people won't pay about a months worth of sub fees for additional content but then they'll tell people WoW is a great game to come back to. Hypocrisy at its finest. GW2 should give new content away for free while WoW charges you $15 a month for nothing but access and then $50 for content every year or two.

GW2 about $18 (if you're too lazy to play for it and feel entitled to be catered to)

WoW about $240 a year plus cash shop. Not only that but WoW takes away content you've paid for (how about some of that Panda land content).

Let's substitute WoW in for GW2: Honestly I don't care if Blizzard offered it for free for 20 levels. I bought the so called B2P + sub game when I paid for Burning Crusade. They owe it to me to give me WoD for free. Oh well it just saves me the time and cash of wasting it World of Biebercraft. LoL probably owes me those champion skins too. I'm entitled to it!

You can still play all the stuff you bought with GW2 and they have added more content at no additional charge. Nice try on the entitlement angle though. Who'd thought you'd have to pay for additional content in a B2P game. Craziness I say.

 Wow really stretching it there aren't you?? WOD was a expansion are you saying the living story (which wasn't even really that well liked by many players) is a expansion? Yes you have to pay for WoD but you also have to pay for GW2 EXPANSION HoT, stop trying to make apples into oranges. The living story which was mostly temporary was more like a holiday patch which yes WoW does for free last I heard (I'm not defending wow here as I haven't played in years)


  Last I heard GW2 was considered B2P with a cash shop meaning most money come from box sells, Not a Cash shop with a B2P start (meaning it makes most of its money off of cash shop and that those that only buy the box are freeloaders

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by Kyleran
Perhaps some customers are more desirable than others and maybe having an early paywall helps them separate the wheat from the chaff.

A player that can't be arsed to log in once in 2 weeks or pay $2.5 for a few hours  of play and some grind option in form of achievements, isn't exactly a customer.

 Do you really set your life around this game? "Must log in every 2 weeks must log in." Man they got you trained but good, perhaps next they can have you salivate when they ring a bell :)


  Generally when I'm forced to do something (like log in every 2 weeks or be punished) is when I stop enjoying it. YMMV. In the end its supposed to be a game for fun and relaxation not a second job with deadlines, and demands.


  If you payed the box price you ARE their main customer, everything else is just icing on the cake for them

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