http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ea-admits-dantes-protest-was-a-stunt

Originally posted by Dihoru
http://albiononline.com/ - the devs wanna make it a full sandbox experience though with some caveats to prevent domination of the game by larger guilds.

iOS 6?

:/ it's a mobile game...

Nobody cares about the combat of a game after playing it for 6 months and having nothing to do but reashed themepark content.

If this game is as sandbox as it seems, it's going to have great long term retention.

If i wanted to play action combat, i can always play Bayonetta/Dark Souls/God of War 3 on my PS3, action combat in MMO's have always been terrible, and the worst of all, when a game as Tera actually tries true action combat, the people who never played an action game in their lives complain about ANIMATION LOCK.

Yeah! animation lock is terrible! better to be jumping all around like in GW2.... all action games have animation lock

I don't get the hype, Matt Frior was responsible for one of the worst MMORPGs ever released, WAR online.

Why would anyone want to buy his next game?

It's like the people who actually think that Neverwinter, developed by Cryptic, isn't going to be terrible in almost every way.

Originally posted by Corehaven

I would think they'd need to hurry just because to me, the graphics already look dated.  I know, graphics don't at all make a game.  However I know plenty of mmo players, who think graphics are the end all be all of gaming. 

 

Is this getting a graphical update or overhaul?  Anyways regardless I'd like this game to be successful.   My only fear is by the time it gets here, it will be so obsolete graphicaly that many will put off playing it. 

 

And while I love things about the game, I watched some videos of its gameplay and even I have to admit the graphics look incredibly dated compared to things I play now, and I sometimes think I might just avoid it due to that.  This issue will only get worse as time moves forward. 

There isn't a single MMO already/being released with better graphics, maybe Black Desert.

But if we compare it to GW2, SWTOR, TESO, etc, AA blows them out of the water, it has better textures, shadows, physics, and the most important: it's not cartoony stylized cheap graphics.

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Crynswind

Originally posted by Celusios

Originally posted by Yamota
What? Did I miss something? Why would anyone compare a typical western WoW clone ThemePark to a eastern made, sandbox ThemePark hybrid?

 

I hope you're refering to Archeage as the WoW clone given it's pathetic combat. I mean if you even call that combat? lol. 

 

 

Originally posted by Korao

Originally posted by Godshelp12

Originally posted by Celusios
Just bloat Archeage some more. What you did not also add that is that it's pretty much class based and TAB target WoW spam 123 combat. That alone puts ESO at a HUGE advantage. No comparison imo.

Good god you're wrong on so many levels...

 

TESO is also Tab target.  And ArcheAge isn't "Choose a class" and listed.  It has 120 class COMBINATIONS.  You also aren't restricted on the type of gear you want to wear.

Oh my god... I had to register just to answer to you, because that post was just stupid. I'm waiting impatiently for both games, but at least get your facts right!

"TESO is also Tab target" Wrong. This is TES gameplay in a MMO, so basically, a 3rd or 1st person view like in Skyrim, left click is like your "main attack" and it attacks where you are aiming, there is no "target selection" with a mouse click or tab. Also, it bring TESO a "skill based" gameplay, because you have to MANUALLY dodge and block attacks, not some RNG doing it for you like in most games...

Also, you can say "You also aren't restricted on the type of gear you want to wear." about TESO too...

That's why I'm "hyped" for TESO, awesome skill based combat, great World PVP and siege wars(DAoC RvR style). Also, the "no server" thing is quite promising if they can do it right. Also, with perks and having the choice to wear any armor/weapon you want with any class, "class combinations" are also BIG. Few examples already possible: "heavy armor character who's a tank with a bow", "mage using 2handed weapons" or "sneaky guy who run around healing people". Perks give infinite possibilities after that, like having werewolf powers, vampire powers, summoning powers... 

So in all, all your arguments are wrong. TESO isn't Tab target. TESO is also not a "choose a class and listed" since everyone is different. TESO also dont have gear restrictions...

Finally how it will goes at the end in my opinion, sandbox lovers will go to AA and PvP lovers will go to TESO since the entire game is around the Alliance War.

Back to OP question: AA just don't have the same amount of publicity and you don't really hear a lot about that game, even I didn't hear about it before like 5 months ago and that's just because the leading guild of my alliance (Titan Alliance)  in GW2 talked about it, being the next MMO they wanted to go to.

Another sane person, thank you. I don't know where some of these people get their little "facts" from. 

Combat means nothing if the game is a shallow wow clone gear grinder, just look at Tera.

 

TESO will be SWTOR 2, i mean it's just too obvious.

 

And really, combat is the most important thing in an MMO? "fun" (TESO combat doesn't look fun at all btw) combat will matter very little when you are bored of grinding gear in instanced dungeons for the 68# time.

 

AA: Housing, ship building and naval warfare, player made content, farms, pets, crafted based economy.

TESO: Instanced battlegrounds, gear grind, wannabe dumbed down action combat with 4 buttons to mash, GW2 meaningless zergfests, another casual themepark.

 

Haven't we been playing the later for 10+ yearS? boring, f2p in 6 months, the game has no chance, im sure it will launch as B2P because the retention would be worse than SWTOR's

 

I mean TESO might be good for the people who want to play an rpg for a couple of weeks, maybe a month or two, but AA is a whole different type of game, an actual MMO.

Combat means everything.  and no it isnt obvious its a SWTOR 2.  SWTOR 1 was a horrible game because it was identical to WoW with no endgame.  ESO is identical to nothing but an amalgamation of critically successful gameplay elemets from other games while keeping the spirit of the IP intact and introducing new or rarely used gaming systems.  Much the same way GW2 did, which is also a critical success.

 

All those elements you list in AA are the exact sort of nonsense I dont play a game for.  Naval Warfare?  Farming and Pets?  Crafting only centric gear?  I play an MMO for single player mano on mano combat on land with my trusty sword.  I also do not need to play Farmville online, thats my wifes facebook game whic hoffers little appeal to me. Pets?  Didnt we get enough of Pokemon as a kid?  Crafting based economies?  sure why not take the actual incentive out of looting you kills to find that magical sword let me jsut hire my local crafter to make it.....BORING!

It's ok dude, some of use like deep and complex mmorpgs, others like mindless pvp and shallow games where there is only combat combat and combat.

Enjoy your tab targett wow clone

Originally posted by Celusios

Originally posted by Yamota
What? Did I miss something? Why would anyone compare a typical western WoW clone ThemePark to a eastern made, sandbox ThemePark hybrid?

 

I hope you're refering to Archeage as the WoW clone given it's pathetic combat. I mean if you even call that combat? lol. 

 

 

Originally posted by Korao

Originally posted by Godshelp12

Originally posted by Celusios
Just bloat Archeage some more. What you did not also add that is that it's pretty much class based and TAB target WoW spam 123 combat. That alone puts ESO at a HUGE advantage. No comparison imo.

Good god you're wrong on so many levels...

 

TESO is also Tab target.  And ArcheAge isn't "Choose a class" and listed.  It has 120 class COMBINATIONS.  You also aren't restricted on the type of gear you want to wear.

Oh my god... I had to register just to answer to you, because that post was just stupid. I'm waiting impatiently for both games, but at least get your facts right!

"TESO is also Tab target" Wrong. This is TES gameplay in a MMO, so basically, a 3rd or 1st person view like in Skyrim, left click is like your "main attack" and it attacks where you are aiming, there is no "target selection" with a mouse click or tab. Also, it bring TESO a "skill based" gameplay, because you have to MANUALLY dodge and block attacks, not some RNG doing it for you like in most games...

Also, you can say "You also aren't restricted on the type of gear you want to wear." about TESO too...

That's why I'm "hyped" for TESO, awesome skill based combat, great World PVP and siege wars(DAoC RvR style). Also, the "no server" thing is quite promising if they can do it right. Also, with perks and having the choice to wear any armor/weapon you want with any class, "class combinations" are also BIG. Few examples already possible: "heavy armor character who's a tank with a bow", "mage using 2handed weapons" or "sneaky guy who run around healing people". Perks give infinite possibilities after that, like having werewolf powers, vampire powers, summoning powers... 

So in all, all your arguments are wrong. TESO isn't Tab target. TESO is also not a "choose a class and listed" since everyone is different. TESO also dont have gear restrictions...

Finally how it will goes at the end in my opinion, sandbox lovers will go to AA and PvP lovers will go to TESO since the entire game is around the Alliance War.

Back to OP question: AA just don't have the same amount of publicity and you don't really hear a lot about that game, even I didn't hear about it before like 5 months ago and that's just because the leading guild of my alliance (Titan Alliance)  in GW2 talked about it, being the next MMO they wanted to go to.

Another sane person, thank you. I don't know where some of these people get their little "facts" from. 

Combat means nothing if the game is a shallow wow clone gear grinder, just look at Tera.

TESO will be SWTOR 2, i mean it's just too obvious.

And really, combat is the most important thing in an MMO? "fun" (TESO combat doesn't look fun at all btw) combat will matter very little when you are bored of grinding gear in instanced dungeons for the 68# time.

AA: Housing, ship building and naval warfare, player made content, farms, pets, crafted based economy.

TESO: Instanced battlegrounds, gear grind, wannabe dumbed down action combat with 4 buttons to mash, GW2 meaningless zergfests, another casual themepark.

Haven't we been playing the later for 10+ yearS? boring, f2p in 6 months, the game has no chance, im sure it will launch as B2P because the retention would be worse than SWTOR's

I mean TESO might be good for the people who want to play an rpg for a couple of weeks, maybe a month or two, but AA is a whole different type of game, an actual MMO.

99% of the people who buy this "lifetime subs/founders packs" end up regretting it.

But sure, they always say on the forums "it was totally worth it dude i don't regret it at all" yeah yeah, buyers remorse in full swing.

But... there's nothing wrong with it.

I would never pay 200$ for a low budget f2p game as Neverwinter.... but why do you care OP? if someone wants to pay that, let them.

Just watch the Total Biscuit video, IMO this is going to be another Cryptic game, i mean come on... it looks so generic.

And the combat... oh my god... the combat.

lol, this game has "3 weeks and then to the garbage bin" written all over it.

Themepark? check

Dumbed down? check

Casual meaningless pvp? check

IP raping? double check

Lol, come on OP.

The game is F2P, it tanked, it's a walking corpse, dead, one of the biggest failures in MMO history.

300M = f2p 6 months later.

Just stop beating the dead horse lol.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Crynswind

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Crynswind

Remember the times where you'd just buy a game without having to worry about day 1 dlc and all that crap?

 

 

God and the people saying "uhh it's optional" LOL, no, it's not, if i don't buy all those day 1 dlc i miss content that should have been included in the game, wake up, thanks to people like you this crap will only get worse.

 

 

But i don't care, i will play this game and i won't pay a dime, hope EA dies soon.

You see, that's the problem there and it seems like "gamer logic".

"A game releases and additional content is available, but separate, therefore it must be released with the game."

What actually happens is that the game is developed as a whole and once it's finished a group is then tasked to create the DLC if the game is designed to have DLC.

Problem is that it is a lot faster to create DLC once the game is done. That DLC is figured into the revenue for the game.

so they finish the DLC and what should they do? Wait an obligatory time  period until they can release it? that's just silly.

yeah that makes sense (lol no)

They develop the game, cut content and sell it as day 1 dlc, don't be naive.

 

And this isn't even content, they are selling WEAPONS, come on, WEAPONS.

I hate to say it but you're being naive. No one is talking about "cutting content'. reread what I wrote. that's how it works. Sorry to pull back that veil.

They decide on how much DLC they are going to make and make projections on how much revenue that "should" bring. This is all decide on a business level.

edit: ans as far as "weapons" well, I don't necessarily like that idea but I'm more interested in the " this should be part of the game" part.

If one can accept that part of their projected revenue is creating add-ons, expansions, and download content then it makes sense that they are going to have a variety of types of dlc for players to choose from. It's possible that they have "small" items in order to get quick "at the register" sales. Or maybe for some players they might not spend a lot on larger dlc but might drop a few bucks for the smaller things.

And of course there are the players who will buy everything. As long as the game can bre played without any of this stuff it's "extra".

Projections, right... day 1 dlc is BS, if you are ok with it and want to bend over, fine, but not everyone thinks the same.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Crynswind

Remember the times where you'd just buy a game without having to worry about day 1 dlc and all that crap?

 

 

God and the people saying "uhh it's optional" LOL, no, it's not, if i don't buy all those day 1 dlc i miss content that should have been included in the game, wake up, thanks to people like you this crap will only get worse.

 

 

But i don't care, i will play this game and i won't pay a dime, hope EA dies soon.

You see, that's the problem there and it seems like "gamer logic".

"A game releases and additional content is available, but separate, therefore it must be released with the game."

What actually happens is that the game is developed as a whole and once it's finished a group is then tasked to create the DLC if the game is designed to have DLC.

Problem is that it is a lot faster to create DLC once the game is done. That DLC is figured into the revenue for the game.

so they finish the DLC and what should they do? Wait an obligatory time  period until they can release it? that's just silly.

yeah that makes sense (lol no)

They develop the game, cut content and sell it as day 1 dlc, don't be naive.

And this isn't even content, they are selling WEAPONS, come on, WEAPONS.

Remember the times where you'd just buy a game without having to worry about day 1 dlc and all that crap?

God and the people saying "uhh it's optional" LOL, no, it's not, if i don't buy all those day 1 dlc i miss content that should have been included in the game, wake up, thanks to people like you this crap will only get worse.

But i don't care, i will play this game and i won't pay a dime, hope EA dies soon.

1 - Ultima Online

2 - Lineage 2

3 - Final Fantasy XI

4 - Lineage 1

5 - World of Warcraft

I don't even like this game.

OP.... really?

It's F2P with cosmetic cash shop

Saying "oh just sell dlc like other single player games" doesn't even make sense.

You are trying to hard.

ArcheAge, hands down.

Why would i EVER want to play another generic themepark? TESO will be SWTOR 2.

Originally posted by Po_gg

Originally posted by Crynswind

Lol, who the hell cares about story in an MMO?

 

Only the people who play MMOs like console games, play for a couple of weeks and then move on.

I know I'm the minority in the story / content subject, but  who the hell cares about story in an MMO?  I do :)

And I do move on from games - which doesn't have a story, or has a weak one... But those I mentioned I'm playing since 3-4 years (except TSW and TOR since they're fairly new), with lots of alts so I played them through countless times.

I think the difference can be illustrated with the font size, because for me they aren't MMO's, they're mmoRPG's emphasis on rpg :)  rpg games with a community, with working economy for crafters, and group play / roleplay (so rpg's in the old, pen-and-paper sense, not the lame, diablo-like "kill-loot-level up-yeah that's rpg" meaning)

 

With RPGs like Dragon Age, The Witcher, Mass Effect, Fallout, Dark Souls & Skyrim, why even bother with MMOs?

I mean they have better story, content, quests, combat...

Themeparks are just dumbed down single player rpgs.

Story is ok, but i would rather have player made content extending the lyfe of a MMO for YEARS over a horrible 3 week long MMO story.

Lol, who the hell cares about story in an MMO?

Only the people who play MMOs like console games, play for a couple of weeks and then move on.

Linear single player storylines in MMOs are a waste of resources, it's useless for long term retention.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Yep it seems like "sandbox" is the latest marketing buzzword following the success of minecraft, terraria, skyrim etc..

I mean... how the hell is Wildstar a "hybrid" if all i can do is:

Choose the kill 10 rats quest i want to do

Instanced PVP and probably OWPVP with no meaning

Shallow crafting

....

Yeah nice sandpark, rofl.