I recently returned to SWTOR, and surprisingly I have been having fun. I started from scratch on a new server and taking it a lot slower this time around.

I know its popular to bash the game, hell I have done my share as well, but honestly it's a bit over the top. SWTOR is not a perfect game by any means, but in my opinion it is funner than GW2, TSW and WoW. (And yes, I have played and own all of these games)

Originally posted by Ardu

Originally posted by sumdumguy1

Perhaps some additional information is required.  Kingsisle actively promotesd for their players to vote for their game.  I don't believe the other manufacturers do that.  Its very easy when a link is provided directly to you.  

Pirate 101 is certainly a decent game, but considering the impact and scope of the other games out there, I find it very difficult to consider these results valid as they are intended to be.  As an active pirate 101 players and observer of the games volume in terms of players, the population is significantly lower than other games up for vote in the same category.  I wonder how much different the results would be if say, Arenanet decided they wanted to promote their game for this award.

I totally agree, but hey Guild Wars 2 took Game of the Year award on GamesPot. Pirate101 only has a few thousand players compared to the millions of players Guild Wars 2 has.

Making limited time products is nothing new nor is EA the only coorporation doing it.

The answer seems simple to me - don't buy it if you don't want it.

Originally posted by BrooksTech
What a shame... GW2, for me, was/is nothing but forgettable.

I agree, this whole year has been forgettable with regards to PC gaming, even games like XCOM which I liked really are quite shallow and boring, same with GW2.

Originally posted by umie214

Originally posted by karmath

Why does it seem that most people in this thread are surprised? Every single last clone to date has the exact same problem regardless if it was well received like Rift/GW2 or badly like AoC/SWTOR.

 

GW2 was the first original MMo since WoW and has revolutionized the industry. it's the best MMO out right now, period. too bad MMO's suck in general. 

 Revolutionized is a bit strong don't you think?

Originally posted by mayito7777
If GW2 is the best MMORPG game of 2012, the game industry is in worst shape than I thought.

 +1

Like another poster said already, this game is the perfect game for hackers.

F2P? - Check.

FPS? - Check.

A monetary benefit for hacking as in you don't need to sub when your racking up the kills? - Check.

A huge map where 100's if not 1000's play at the same time making it easier to hide in the crowd or move around to conceal hacks? - Check.

And now - No leaderboard to find people with 80+ - 1 K/D ratios. - Check.

Noone is surprised this game is full of hackers, but hey, it's free right?

Originally posted by Elsabolts

And this concerns us why ?

Time spent in-game SWTOR>GW2.

While I have been a critic of SWTOR, playing it through to max level was far more enjoyable than leveling in GW2. To this day I still don't have a GW2 character above level 30 and dont ever see myself hitting max level in that game. In SWTOR I got to max level with two toons before I threw in the towel.

The Devs agree with you, that is why all AAA mmos that are being created are WoW-like themeparks.

I on the other hand, am one of those who thinks WoW was a one-time phenomenon, or at least a once in a generation thing. Sure another wildly successful MMO with tens of millions of subscribers over a period of a decade will emerge, but not anytime soon and by soon I mean in the next decade. Who knows after that, technology will be different and anything would be possible.

WoW went viral and is still sustained to this day because of it, people like MMOs with healthy populations. The popularity of WoW is because WoW is popular, the popularity of all other MMOs are based on the games themselves. This is one of the reasons post-WoW mmos have not seen the same success, they lack in gameplay and never went viral like WoW did shortly after launch, the lack of endgames and stuff like that contributing of course.

I don't think another MMO will go viral anytime soon. And I think that is a good thing - at some point devs will notice that trying to copy what happened to WoW is futile, and will be willing to take chances with new game ideas and new ways of making MMOs.

MoP

TSW

GW2

The rest I got my money worth out of so I don't consider them wastes. I played these three games/expansions for a week or so each.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Originally posted by remyburke

If 15 bucks is too much to spend on your hobby every month, then maybe you should spend more time on your career, and less on grinding purples.

 Horrible logic, if something is worth $5 to me but they are asking for $15 means I will not buy it whether  I have the money or not.

 

SWTOR is just not worth the sub or the F2P restrictions, which is the problem. If EA really wanted to turn things around they would of designed a F2P that is both profitable and inviting - now they will have neither. It won't be as profitable as it could of been because not many who bought the game will come back and the new players will soon find they have to sub or get nickled and dimes to be able to continue - many won't - they are F2P players for a reason.

 

I am not a GW2 fan - but I also think SWTOR would be better suited to be B2P with a cosmetic cash shop.

 

 He is not saying YOU should give 15 a month because it is obviouse you do not like the game, he is saying that if you like it than 15 a mo for a hobby you like is worth it

 That might be the case, but many who bought SWTOR felt that it was not worth the sub fee. F2P should be designed to invite those players back, not push them away again. But I see the point, if you like the game it is worth the $15. But it is hard to like the game, EA missed up by launching SWTOR to soon, then they messed up by not fixing llum ASAP. Then they brought out the nerf hammer seriously hampering several classes. And now they roll out the worst F2P implementation I have ever seen.

Originally posted by remyburke

If 15 bucks is too much to spend on your hobby every month, then maybe you should spend more time on your career, and less on grinding purples.

 Horrible logic, if something is worth $5 to me but they are asking for $15 means I will not buy it whether  I have the money or not.

SWTOR is just not worth the sub or the F2P restrictions, which is the problem. If EA really wanted to turn things around they would of designed a F2P that is both profitable and inviting - now they will have neither. It won't be as profitable as it could of been because not many who bought the game will come back and the new players will soon find they have to sub or get nickled and dimed to be able to continue - many won't - they are F2P players for a reason.

I am not a GW2 fan - but I think SWTOR would be better suited to be B2P with a cosmetic cash shop.

I definately would if the game was worth 30 bucks a month, I would have no problems with 50 a month if it was the best MMO I had ever played and had the longevity that current MMOs lack.

Hell, I spend about 100 a month buying single player games since there is no MMO out now that I am the least bit interested in playing.